Irrelevant rant on NCT

I think all your concerns are valid and I share the same sentiment!

Yeah, I'm not too fond of the whole NCT 2021 idea either, but I'll still support it because we fans know how hard they have been working, esp. Haechan and Mark since the very beginning of the year. It's quite possible they had a very short break after Resonance ended, which leaves a very bad taste in my mouth considering how packed their schedules were last year. I hope they will get their deserved break during Jan-Mar.

And tbh, I'm very worried about how Mark and Haechan will manage to promote full comebacks (album + repack) under two different sub-units every year (assuming this is what is going to happen from now on). This is just not ok.

A few things

1) I think having a NCT comeback every 2 years was already a weird approach, and i rather them do it yearly. Im speaking as a fan. I don't much care about overworked idols because they are being paid handsomely (imagine making enough money from 20-30 where you can invest and live comfortable for the rest of your life). This is the life they choose and its w.e.

2) Who cares if its rushed. Its just music. I'm not trying to marinate in a ERA or a comeback time. Its just some pics, some music, some music videos, and some performances and its done. Nothing special about it expect 21 members are present. Winwin and Lucas aren't participating, but again, who cares, there are 21 other members who can have the attention.

3) If theres no NCT 2021, Sungchan and Shotaro will basically have release no music this year, which is pretty shitty. They will hopefully get put in a unit next year, but it'd be weird to debut in 2020, and not release more music till 2022.

I think some of you are TOO and i mean TOOO personally invested in shit that DOES NOT MATTER, nor should concern you. IF you want to infantilize boys, please do it somewhere else. We're getting new music, the boys get to spend time together, and that's all that matters to me.

I agree with you, it feels like SME turned the full group project into a necessity to make NCTzens splurge even more, rather than a special event that brings all sub-units together, like it felt previously. Also atp, the members (in particular 127) must be incredibly tired from preparing and promoting 2 comebacks in just 2 months, and now heading towards their 3rd soon.

It's especially worrying for both Mark and Haechan who have been working and promoting for pretty much the whole year, also Doyoung who had to balance his musical with the comeback preparations and possibly Jaehyun starting next year with his drama filming + the upcoming tour. Of course I'm excited for more NCT music and full group content, but I also worry about each of the members' well-being and whether they are actually enjoying their time right now, or just living through it.

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Thank god, I felt like I was being overdramatic

I completely agree too, Mark and Haechan will probably have it the worst this era- esp considering that Dream usually has early-mid year comebacks, and unless the duo announce like a break or hiatus (which is very less likely) I won't bet my money on a break really.

For fans who are worried about units for Sungtaro, they can easily be pacified if there was more content released from them (like how WayV is dealing with the cancellation of a comeback this year) so it's really doesn't feel like it's well thought out.

Lowkey feels like they're doing this to sweep the allegations under the rug, as shitty as that sounds, because no matter how we put it, Lucas was one of their most profitable idols.

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Even if they are making bank by being part of two successful sub-units, they are still human beings and physically they have their own limits. A couple days ago after the World Tour was announced, Mark rushed to Bubble to assure fans that he's fine and will be fine, but that doesn't erase the fact that they are being overworked. I would be worried if any other human being was being overworked lol. Jaehyun is most likely the next member that will be overworked next year.

I'm fine with 5dream comebacks if that means Haechan and Mark won't be overloaded with promotions again.

These last few months of 2021 should have been focused on the new sub-unit, they didn't need this whole ass project to kickstart the preparations for them and at this point we don't even know if we are getting new members this era. But again, we should be patient. There's still a long way to go until December 14th.

NCT 2021 has been mentioned since mid-year during that SM conference, so I don't think it's related to Lucas' scandal. He was very popular, but not one of the most profitable members IMHO.

Anyways we should hope for the best and still show our support somehow.

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I think some of you are TOO and i mean TOOO personally invested in shit that DOES NOT MATTER, nor should concern you. IF you want to infantilize boys, please do it somewhere else. We're getting new music, the boys get to spend time together, and that's all that matters to me.

I feel like when NCT already has a member with a pretty bad chronic injury it makes sense that nctzens worry about the others being overworked

I'm not a huge fan of everything being so close together either but that's sm for you. Hopefully everyone gets through it just fine

I really didn't want NCT2021 to happen, but now that it's happening anyway, I am only hoping for good music.

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I think some of you are TOO and i mean TOOO personally invested in shit that DOES NOT MATTER, nor should concern you. IF you want to infantilize boys, please do it somewhere else. We're getting new music, the boys get to spend time together, and that's all that matters to me.

If you want to lack empathy, you can follow your own advice and do it somewhere else instead of someone else's thread who clearly doesn't agree.

idk why you're expecting everyone else to not give a fuck about other human beings. People's physical and mental health DO matter, even if it's part of their job.

You can throw all your trash on the floor at the store and expect a janitor to clean up after you, and you can completely fuck up a clothing store 5 minutes before closing and the workers will have to stay longer without compensation because they have to clean up your mess... you can be that asshole because technically it's part of their job description and "what they signed up for", but some people are decent human beings with actual empathy.

You could learn something from this post, but I'm sure you wont.

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If you want to lack empathy, you can follow your own advice and do it somewhere else instead of someone else's thread who clearly doesn't agree.

idk why you're expecting everyone else to not give a fuck about other human beings. People's physical and mental health DO matter, even if it's part of their job.

You can throw all your trash on the floor at the store and expect a janitor to clean up after you, and you can completely fuck up a clothing store 5 minutes before closing and the workers will have to stay longer without compensation because they have to clean up your mess... you can be that asshole because technically it's part of their job description and "what they signed up for", but some people are decent human beings with actual empathy.

You could learn something from this post, but I'm sure you wont.

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My point is, You ARENT IMPORTANT TO THEM. Mark and Haechan have bandmates, familes, friends etc that will worry about them and can help them through physical and mental problems. You crying on a forum about it, is literally doing nothing and really isn't your concern. It can be, but your just concerns about someone when you DONT KNOW SHIT ABOUT THEM. You know nothing about there life and nothing about their mental or physical state.

And your example makes no sense. That's an actual situation i can understand and have a part in prevent or not doing. YOU have no control or involvement in how members feel or how much they work. You are just a fan.

This is like you, seeing a football player practice every day and your like "wow he might have mental problems or physical problems, he shouldn't do that". If you thought this IRL for a football player, you'd be looked at as a weirdo. Only in kpop is appropiate to cry about people, when you don't know they life or their feelings. You guys need to stop infantilizing adults and just enjoy the music/content. They are not your Pokemon to care for.

I'm not saying you can't be empathetic or care about overworking, but its not your job.

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Yes but an articulate and well worded rant! Those are the best kinds of rants Welcome and don't let Kouss scare you away. They're quite dismissive of most things.

Just dismissive of fans complaining about unnecessary things that don't have anything to do with music. Some of you want to be these boys mothers SOOOOO bad. I'm not here to cry about a man working too much, sorry if you are.

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Hi so I read through your comment again, and I get where you're coming from. Like yes, they're mainstream idols who have a shit ton of attention and can definitely fend for themselves. but as an onlooker I can't help but comment on it. I'm sorry if it annoys you. I didn't mean to seem like I was babying them. It's just fan concern, that's all. I kinda can't help it lol so all I can do is apologize and understand where you're coming from

this is just a view from an outsider but your concerns never came across as infantilizing.

as a fan it’s only normal to want your faves to be treated well and for them to be healthy.

Hope all turns out well for them

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why do people in the anons talk like we're pests ?????? Ya'll seem hella fun!

Everyone and I really mean EVERYONE and ALL GROUPS get trashed in the anons. It's not exclusive to us.

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My point is, You ARENT IMPORTANT TO THEM. Mark and Haechan have bandmates, familes, friends etc that will worry about them and can help them through physical and mental problems. You crying on a forum about it, is literally doing nothing and really isn't your concern. It can be, but your just concerns about someone when you DONT KNOW SHIT ABOUT THEM. You know nothing about there life and nothing about their mental or physical state.

And your example makes no sense. That's an actual situation i can understand and have a part in prevent or not doing. YOU have no control or involvement in how members feel or how much they work. You are just a fan.

This is like you, seeing a football player practice every day and your like "wow he might have mental problems or physical problems, he shouldn't do that". If you thought this IRL for a football player, you'd be looked at as a weirdo. Only in kpop is appropiate to cry about people, when you don't know they life or their feelings. You guys need to stop infantilizing adults and just enjoy the music/content. They are not your Pokemon to care for.

I'm not saying you can't be empathetic or care about overworking, but its not your job.

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It doesn't even matter if you aren't important to someone. You can literally observe someone doing the situation I described without being the one contributing to that person's workload and still feel bad for the worker, even if you don't know that person. I've walked into stores that were completely massacred and thought, "I feel so bad for the person that has to clean this up".

If I saw an athlete (and I don't even give a shit about sports) overworked to the point where it could be damaging, then yeah, I would be worried for them.

I have no intention of coddling grown ass men and I'm not going to lose sleep or cry over these things, but it costs nothing to be concerned about someone's health and safety. Having sympathy is not infantilizing. Knowing someone isn't a requirement of being empathetic. Of course it's no one's job to feel empathy for people, but why tf would it need to be?

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omg ur literally so hot for this

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why do people in the anons talk like we're pests ?????? Ya'll seem hella fun!

also do I just?? like visit the page and put a thread or smthn

Imo you should just ignore the anon section as a whole, it gets pretty bad in there

yutensils I thought that was a well written and empathetic comment. I don’t think it infantilizes someone by saying “hey I hope they’re okay.” No one I know thinks they’re infantilizing a player when we sit around and watch Sunday NFL games and someone worries that a player is coming back too soon from an injury or that the team is being greedy by rushing him back. Everyone just sees that as being a fan.

A fan is passionate about their team or their favorite group. I’ve never heard someone at Buffalo Wild Wings accuse someone of trying to be their mother because they don’t want someone to blow out his knee and be out the whole damned season.

I agree with the comments earlier that SM was thrown a curve by COVID and Lucas, which had upended their plans. Heaven knows they’ve delayed shit before but investors, I suppose.

Knowing that members have been out with severe and sometimes chronic injuries with long recovery times (Taeyong, Jaemin, Haechan, Jisung) puts us all on edge and I think it’s natural and human to feel that way.

It’s also very very clear that SM uses social listening to monitor fan chatter (and that some of that is shared back with members, assuming they are not seeing some of it directly, as they have also spoken about) so I disagree about us fans not saying something and it making a difference.( For better or worse…remember the scrapped Christmas carols, y’all?)

I’ll support the guys here and love new Neo music but I do wish we had a NCT 2022 and a little breathing room here for them. I want them all to work, which they love to do, but also to stay healthy. They were pretty exhausted and said so when they got to us in California on the last tour, so I want them to get a little time to rest and recharge before they visit us again.

This looks like a wall of text on my phone, but damn, I can’t believe “hey I don’t want this dude to completely blow out his back that he had to take a emergency hiatus to heal” is being interpreted as “acting like their mom.”

Btw yutensils, I hope you’ll come visit us in the Neo City guild - we love chatting about the Neos, as well all types of music and important things like Brazilian cheese bread.