Tzuyu vs Irene [Dance battle]

This is hard cause irene originally but Tzuyu has drastically improved in both dance and vocals tbf

holy shit ive never seen tzuyu focus cams she's so butter smooth in her movements

Imagine voting Irene, shameless.

Irene because of this:

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Imagine voting Irene, shameless.

Irene's actually a really good dancer, she has very sharp skill and is very flexible but precise which is very hard to master, people only overlook her because she's not very expressive and usually has one of 3 faces on show -

Come on, now. Seulgi's and Irene's 'Naughty' far surpasses anything girl groups and girl idols have done regarding dance in the past years.

Irene's agility and isolation in her moves is pretty damn good, better than Seulgi's even.

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Irene's actually a really good dancer, she has very sharp skill and is very flexible but precise which is very hard to master, people only overlook her because she's not very expressive and usually has one of 3 faces on show -

This is actually pretty interesting: when you see her offstage in variety and such, her facial expressiveness - subconsciously and consciously - is top notch and among the best, in range of expressions and nuanced subtlely.

It's not for nothing that she has had so many CF's, the subtlely in her micro expressions is very powerful.

But I agree, on stage, of that impressive facial expressiveness only a fraction is seen compared with what she shows off stage.

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This is actually pretty interesting: when you see her offstage in variety and such, her facial expressiveness - subconsciously and consciously - is top notch and among the best, in range of expressions and nuanced subtlely.

It's not for nothing that she has had so many CF's, the subtlely in her micro expressions is very powerful.

But I agree, on stage, of that impressive facial expressiveness only a fraction is seen compared with what she shows off stage.

I think her issue is what majority of us have, and that is we believe we look better when we dont smile ( I dunno why that is) but she has a beauitful smile and she brings down her beauty trying to look uninterested on stage. Imagine being one of the few to be blessed with a heavenly smile just to hide it in-front of cameras

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This is actually pretty interesting: when you see her offstage in variety and such, her facial expressiveness - subconsciously and consciously - is top notch and among the best, in range of expressions and nuanced subtlely.

It's not for nothing that she has had so many CF's, the subtlely in her micro expressions is very powerful.

But I agree, on stage, of that impressive facial expressiveness only a fraction is seen compared with what she shows off stage.

Compare her happiness era to her recent ones. Look how cute and bubbly she looked in happiness and it dramatically increased her dancing for majority of fans

Despite being a lead dancer, Tzuyu is one of the weaker dancers in her group, even members without a dance position such as Sana and Jihyo are stronger dancers than her. Irene is the second-best dancer in Red Velvet, she even outdanced Seulgi in Naughty. Not to be rude, but they are not on the same level as dancers.

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I think her issue is what majority of us have, and that is we believe we look better when we dont smile ( I dunno why that is) but she has a beauitful smile and she brings down her beauty trying to look uninterested on stage. Imagine being one of the few to be blessed with a heavenly smile just to hide it in-front of cameras

I think it's a combination of this plus that several concepts and styles of RV comebacks required a neutral or ice queen face: for example, Red Flavor, a happy, bright song even ended with all the girls staring coldly into the cameras in the MV, same for Peekaboo, Bad Boy and a whole lot of other RV songs. Ironically, when the other girls stare blankly or coldly into the camera due to the concept it gets glossed over, but when Irene does it, it's immediately noticeable and jumps out. I guess that her expressions make a powerful impact, whether it's a bright smile or a cold, blank stare.

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Tzuyu is a different breed. Despite being heaps taller than the members of her group, she’s able to maintain great precision and never stands out like a sore thumb while dancing to probably some of the hardest gg choreographies out there.

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Irene's actually a really good dancer, she has the very sharp skill and is very flexible but precise which is very hard to master, people only overlook her because she's not very expressive and usually has one of 3 faces on show -

People think having a great stage presence/being a good performer is the same thing as being a good dancer. But they are very different skill sets. You can be a good performer and have a great stage presence, but be a mediocre dancer in terms of technicality. Meanwhile, on the flip side of the spectrum, you can be a strong dancer but you lack stage presence.

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I think it's a combination of this plus that several concepts and styles of RV comebacks required a neutral or ice queen face: for example, Red Flavor, a happy, bright song even ended with all the girls staring coldly into the cameras in the MV, same for Peekaboo, Bad Boy and a whole lot of other RV songs. Ironically, when the other girls stare blankly or coldly into the camera due to the concept it gets glossed over, but when Irene does it, it's immediately noticeable and jumps out. I guess that her expressions make a powerful impact, whether it's a bright smile or a cold, blank stare.

I hope it's that and not loss of passion. She used to be so bright before even on be natural/ automatic both velvet concepts but now even on Red concepts she looks annoyed but meh could be anything really

God knows I look annoyed at the start, during and at the end of work

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People think having a great stage presence/being a good performer is the same thing as being a good dancer. But they are very different skill sets. You can be a good performer and have a great stage presence, but be a mediocre dancer in terms of technicality. Meanwhile, on the flip side of the spectrum, you can be a strong dancer but you lack stage presence.

Completely agree!!! Thisssssss!

I think Tzuyuimproved a lot but shes not quite on the level of irene right now.

What is wrong with y’all? I’m convinced you guys either biased or blind. Irene is probably a lead dancer but tzuyu is obviously better.

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What is wrong with y’all? I’m convinced you guys either biased or blind. Irene is probably a lead dancer but tzuyu is obviously better.

ERMM my eyes work fine thank you very much Agree to disagree, it's all subjective

Tzuyu of course, Irene is stiff and short

I'd say Tzuyu, I can't take my eyes off her when she's on stage and she's improved a lot since debut.

It would be better to wait until tzuyu gets the same opportunities Irene does. Irene has whole dance based productions whereas Jyp doesn't allow Tzuyu to have solo work.

Irene is the better dancer technique wise

tzuyu, my girl has improved big time since debut

I watched all the videos you posted and to me Tzuyu is clearly a better dancer. Irene holds her body too stiffly in the videos posted.

irene clearly wins and its not even close

props to tzuyu though all that knee bending looks painful

irene is clearly the better dancer out of the two technically.

Irene cause of be natural

I prefer Tzuyu's dancing

Hmmm....need to see them do similar choreos but I think I'd say Tzuyu but it's kind of even. It's just my preference. Irene has sharper moves and more power (when I see the Monster videos) but she does seem a little more stiff.

Tzuyu is a little less powerful but she seems smoother. The other thing is I feel she has more feeling when she dances, it's just more enjoyable to watch.

Both Irene and Tzuyu are honestly kind of poker faced while dancing but Tzuyu is more captivating (to me) and I do care a lot about expression, it's an important part. She seems like she genuinely enjoys being on stage. Not that Irene doesn't, I just feel it more from Tzuyu. She was right when she said "I'm not that volatile emotionally but I think I'm more expressive on stage right?" in her MBTI video.

Like when Tzuyu and Seolhyun collabed, Tzuyu stood out a lot more to me.

But Sana and Jihyo are the 2nd best dancers in Twice to me.

tzuyu

poor Irene her dancing looks funny no matter what because of her proportions especially in the naughty fancam lmaooo

Irene

Irene, I think her dance is graceful and clean. Tzuyu has exaggerated dance moves. I would found Jihyo's dance moves exaggerated, but Tzuyu exaggerates even more. Also, I don't think dance suits tall people well, Tzuyu is a bit disadvantageous.

tzuyu is superior in many aspects when it comes to her dancing but what pulls her down drastically is her posture. a lot of tall idols suffer from that, it makes their overall dancing look stiff and less elegant. winter suffers from bad posture too i noticed.

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tzuyu is superior in many aspects when it comes to her dancing but what pulls her down drastically is her posture. a lot of tall idols suffer from that, it makes their overall dancing look stiff and less elegant. winter suffers from bad posture too i noticed.

I agree with what you're saying, BUT tbf it's an excuse if anything this means they need to figure out what works well for them, example Yuna from itzy is roughly same height as Tzuyu but never looks stiff and kills her dances

Irene without question.

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What is wrong with y’all? I’m convinced you guys either biased or blind. Irene is probably a lead dancer but tzuyu is obviously better.

Exactly, it's completely objective Tzuyu is far far better and it's pretty obvious. But what you expect, certain people here vote RV no matter what...it's odd af.