Tzuyu so pretty in her outfit..... Gosh...
Oh this was fun. Go karts!
I vote they make one of those Walk With Me /Hold Your Hand beautiful travel videos with Hanni. Like that one they did with AI Irene.
Hanni smiling and taking you around the beautiful sites will make everyone want to come to Korea.
Doesn't matter she's not Korean.
Hanni Best Girl charm is unstoppable.
Display MoreAbsolutely. I Stan this woman over every other idol. She’s my numero uno. Beauty and brains.
There is nothing more attractive than a beautiful woman with this kind of talent and genius. It’s ok to like someone that will intellectually challenge you.
All of the rest if you can stan your favorite idol that can’t count to ten. MHJ is mine.
Is that her when she was younger?
Wow she's really really pretty.
She is pretty.
I don't know why people are acting like she's not? Confuses me lol. Are people saying that because they don't like her?
If she'd wear more feminine styling and clothes. She'd be even prettier.
Teshubs.
I see Irene's still got you fanboying after all these years.
Glad to see it. Stay loyal.
Hope her solo does well... It will be nice if she can have a success.
Display MoreTo back up what eman is saying here, I think Sakura is an extremely talented idol, even though she is relentlessly bashed for her vocals and used to get shaded for her dance skills too.
She may not set the stage on fire with those hard skills, and some will always find her lacking in that area compared to her groupmates, but she has a personality, charm, and just generally endearing energy to her that makes her the quintessential idol and someone you want to support and follow.
That is also important and the essence of what makes idols idols, just as much as those other more traditional and objectively more easily evaluated traits like singing and dancing.
For all the times I've sung the praises of Mamamoo's sublime talents as performers, over the years, many times, I've told people that what made me a fan was not their talents. That grabbed my interests, for sure, but what converted me into a life long fan were their personalities, charisma and unabashed authenticity with their fans and each other; there was nothing like it in K-Pop. I fell for NewJeans for similar reasons.
Yes,
And it's funny you mentioned Sakura.
I praised her public response to the criticisms of their Coachella performance. I thought she demonstrated exceptional character and leadership with her response. She showed grace, maturity, and confidence and poise. I'm not her Stan but that act of character gained my respect. She met the moment.
Funnily enough my endorsement was on of those instances ISaid found me cringe lol.
Lol. Different strokes.
Display MoreNo it’s not. No one cares about an idol’s character when discussing talent.
If anything the whole point of discussing talent is to discount useless things like that because everyone knows idol world thrives on pretty people who speak well and never date. That’s EXACTLY why we discuss having real talent within the scope of music.
PS : acting is a talent but it’s not relevant if we are talking about her and her musical career.
PS : not a comment on yoona idk her but your response was both cringe and demonstrates why the rest of us want to talk about real talent. It’s to exclude your sort of narrative.
And my response is I reject your narrowing of the definition of talent. Especially in the context of Korean pop idols. It is not just about performance talent in isolation.
I'm pushing back against your very definition that I believe belies a misunderstanding of what kpop idols are. They are not just mere singers and dancers though that is a core aspect of their ostensible "career". This isn't just a music industry. It's an idol industry. That role implies a breadth beyond mere singing and dancing.
In any case, Yama did not specify "performance talent" in his title. If we want to have that discussion in a that strict sense, the thread prompt needs revised. And Yoona will hold her own in that discussion fine.
Also, you seem to call me cringe a lot. You often respond in this way to my posts. I feel we have very fundamentally different world views, and for some reason my takes often bristle you or respond how ridiculous or off putting you find my takes.
That's okay. We see the world and obviously kpop, differently.
Sure, but including other things is more about personal preference, than actual talent. I mean, how you want to measure who's the prettiest, for example? Everyone has a different taste, but we can measure vocal, rap, and dance skills.
And we can measure acting and social skills These are skills that require work and development in addition to natural ability. Yoona has excelled in both.
I also think the maintenance of character and conduct is a talent that takes determination and work. It's often easier to forgo these things, especially with modern culture's embrace of selfishness and lack of standard as in vogue. While not measurable perhaps. I see those that maintain their moral foundation against this tide as exemplifying a form of hard earned talent of sorts.
Again, well perhaps disagree on this. No worries!
Display MoreExactly! Yoona is fantastic, but not in everything. She has a nice voice, but not the strongest vocalist. She's a good dancer, but not like Hyo, also, she's not a rapper like Hyo. I would be here for 2 days if I have to analyze all SNSD member. And I won't do that, they're my first love. 🤣
Same with 2NE1. CL is one of the best rapper and a good dancer, but not the best vocalist in the group. To be honest, I could've put anyone as the 4th, because 2NE1 is a well-rounded group. So I was basically nitpicking. Just like with SNSD and Mamamoo.
There's no way in hell Yama would pick Wheein as the least talented member of Mamamoo. I would bet my whole life on this. Wheein is one of the biggest ACE in Kpop, and not only as a female artist. If Yama chose her, I would never mention his name for the rest of my life.
I think talent should be about 3 major things: Vocals, Rap and Dance. There's no reason to complicate it with Visuals, It Girl status etc because that's not talent.
That's strictly performance talent. In my eyes, especially in the context of kpop idols, that does not encompass the true breadth of what an idol is.
In any case, to each their own.
So which member should people be mentioning for SNSD instead?
I don't really have an answer as I think questions like this don't have one answer.
Talent is multifaceted and many display it in different ways.
Yoona is probably the weakest singer in the group. So if that's your definition go for it.
But I think she displays more talent than the other members in other areas.
The multiple mentions of Yoona in the thread single handedly triggered me out of a month long hiatus.
Lol.
How are we defining "talent" here?
It seems to me the way "talented" is often employed in these sorts of arguments is either a very narrow framing that limits it solely to unabashed vocal prowess, or alternatively a weight on the scales activist euphemism for a certain type of diva stage persona.
Yoona is neither. She is not a stand out vocal. And she is not a CL style diva archetype that so many attribute multitudes of claimed depth to.
But... Yoona shines.....
She serves as an archetypal example of the pinnacle of what traditional idols as multi dimensional entertainment and role model figures can be.
Yoona sings beautifully within her range and on modest fare, with heart moving results, just see her string of releases in Mandarin like Red Bean or her When the Wind Blows.
Her dancing is strong and a highlight of SNSD's performance line. See nearly their History of performance releases and stages.
Yoona is the quintessential kpop girl group center, anchoring the visual and performance vibe of Kpop's most storied girl group in SNSD.
Beyond mere performance talent, she excels at so many other touchstones of the multi dimensional idol as jack of all trades archetype that seem to be lost in these kinds of discussions.
She acts. Slowly building her talent from very modest ability to one that can hold her own in high profile dramas and movies, going on to a string of extremely successful movies like EXIT and dramas like King The Land. She's no Oscar winner, but I find she is perfectly suited for breezy romantic comedy and lighter fare. She shines in these roles.
She hosts. Leveraging her immense charm and likeable friendly personality to host countless awards and shows and other venues.
She models. Her radiant and deer like youthful beauty has allowed her to ascend to the heights of CF and product representation, making her one of Kpop's most successful product models.
Also, she possesses a rare quality of genuine genuine kindness and humility. A warmth of character that is out of style in today's edgy culture. Countless testimonials from understaff and anyone who has had the privilege of meeting or knowing her attest to her unassailable goodness. This may seem like "not a talent" but when combined with her immense work ethic and motivation in her career and endeavors, it combines to make her one of the very best examples of an idol as role model. She is someone you can look up to, admire, try to emulate and be more like.
In my opinion her multi faceted career, personal achievements, role as performer and singer, and as all around entertainment figure and role model, make her far from "least talented".
It's insulting in my eyes for her to be characterized as so.
In terms of what being an idol traditionally meant. Yoona is a rare find.
Why, Why, why?
We have a thread dedicated to Tzuyu.
In under 2 weeks it became the fourth most viewed video on that channel. We love to see
m.youtube.com/watch?v=IJuqBfmw5Wc
It so cool to see girl groups get the most views period💅
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I know there's that thread. It's a cool place for people to post images and updates and stuff.
But I like to make my own dedicated Tzuyu threads.
It's the fanboy way haha.
Tzuyu: The Angel From Taiwan
A Tzuyu is the most beautiful girl in the whole wide world.
Taiwan must be the luckiest country ever!
Heaven smiled on them and sent them the greatest gift of all.
The Angel from Taiwan.
emanresu OWNED!
I got taken to task lol!!!!
I was shocked.... Outta nowhere wsoet comes in and pulls out my phone calls, birth certificate, and bank accounts.... Look here you bum!
My fanboying is too loose and unfocused!
Concerned Citizen wsoet will get it back in shape.... They're a data master... All about details....
