Do you agree about this thing regarding big3 groups?
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sometimes they get big, then peak and end up flopping
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sometimes they get big, then peak and end up flopping
Sounds like a yg group.
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It's like that for any group in general, kpop groups have a very short life spam by 3 years they are already old and by 5 year then should disband unless they are doing very well in most or all areas. That's why most groups need their big break at their 1-2 year, smth most 2nd gen and 3 gen did and the same reason why people tell 4 gen is not doing well
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Nct are still flops when it comes to songs
They sell CDs well
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It use to be true for YG as well, now I'm not sure
Not exactly if it's from SM
And this is more about those companies strategies. JYP release follow-ups only three years later, hence if you are in your third anniversary you are very likely seing your last years of decent promotions. Current kpop expansion are increasing sales across that board, thanks to that some of their 3rd gen groups (Twice, Got7, Day6) started to see a small but significant increase in sales even after their 4th year, but you can already see their sales seems to have peaked and are very likely to stop increasing thanks to their very lackluster promotion and rushed focus on new groups
YG used to have a very high public awareness and by far the biggest following among all kpop companies. I think a big part of YG following aren't really into kpop besides YG groups. This huge fanbase made any YG group to break even pretty fast to a point more often than not YG groups popularity started to deteriorate in the very early stages of their careers. With Treasure I guess things will turn around a bit
Definitely not true for SM. Almost every SM groups meet their breakthrough many years later after their debut and overall kept going strong until and reaching high peaks beyond their 5th or 6th anniversary
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Definitely not true for SM. Almost every SM groups meet their breakthrough many years later after their debut and overall kept going strong until and reaching high peaks beyond their 5th or 6th anniversary
SM groups also get hit songs mostly within 2 years. But yes SM bgs see huge fandom growth for years.
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Not only their BGs. Red Velvet solos and units are selling even better than the original group, I'm sure if they comeback again as 5 their sales will surprise many people here
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Not only their BGs. Red Velvet solos and units are selling even better than the original group, I'm sure if they comeback again as 5 their sales will surprise many people here
I don't follow rv stats but their album sales were pretty much around the same figures for many years. Above 100k. Never did 200k before the subunit. Looks like psycho led to a huge fandom growth.
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nope
people mocking bp by sayin that they can only sell 50k for an album , but look at them now in their 4th years
million seller girlgroup
either as a group or solo, they smash em all digital and physical
the scariest thing is , its not even their peak
it doenst matter how you start but how you finish it
wondergirls might start the 2nd gen, but snsd is the one who stand at the top at the end
the history repeat itself for 3rd gen, and maybe 4th gen too
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nope
people mocking bp by sayin that they can only sell 50k for an album , but look at them now in their 4th years
million seller girlgroup
either as a group or solo, they smash em all digital and physical
the scariest thing is , its not even their peak
it doenst matter how you start but how you finish it
wondergirls might start the 2nd gen, but snsd is the one who stand at the top at the end
the history repeat itself for 3rd gen, and maybe 4th gen too
Bp was always massive since debut. Hits since then. In 2018 their second year they made huge international splash. So bp follows this observation.
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Bp was always massive since debut. Hits since then. In 2018 their second year they made huge international splash. So bp follows this observation.
This is such a misconception. Bp weren't always massive. Bp started becoming massive in 2018. Bp just had hit songs on the charts and cfs because of that. And in 2016,2017,2018 many groups had hit songs like them. These days it's a rarity to see idols getting hit songs but in that era many idol groups were flourishing on the charts. Bp weren't doing particularly outstanding exempting yt views. In 2017 they were pretty much overshadowed by rv, twice.
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This is such a misconception. Bp weren't always massive. Bp started becoming massive in 2018. Bp just had hit songs on the charts and cfs because of that. And in 2016,2017,2018 many groups had hit songs like them. These days it's a rarity to see idols getting hit songs but in that era many idol groups were flourishing on the charts. Bp weren't doing particularly outstanding exempting yt views. In 2017 they were pretty much overshadowed by rv, twice.
Were they? They sold well for the mini in 2018. Numbers rv never did. So a bigger fandom was already growing. Aiiyl was bigger than anything twice released in 2017 eventually. Aiiyl charted on bubbling under. The only reason it seems like they weren't bigger is because yg didn't follow up with anything. And 2018 year they exploded. People have always underestimated bps power thanks to ygs bad management.
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Before they couldn't even do that. I remember they weren't even doing 400k back in 2019. In 2020 huge cd growth. But yes when it comes to digitals and streams they are still flops.
Selling 400k for an album on 2019 wasn't that easy lol the big jump on sales came last year.
Anyways they had 2 units already selling +300k and 127 comeback that year was kinda boycotted. They were not doing bad. Also don't know how valid is to call a group flop on digitals or streams when they don't release music for the GP and yet they are like the only active bg debuted on 2016 or after that has some decent digitals and streams on Korea.
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Who cares what those pressed losers told about bp? Lol. Fact is their debut ep outsold every other gg except some of Twice and izone albums. And even today it keeps on selling. They wouldn't have sold so much if they weren't growing a big fandom back then. I wasn't into kpop back then but some people seriously lack observation skills and r
Selling 400k for an album on 2019 wasn't that easy lol the big jump on sales came last year.
Anyways they had 2 units already selling +300k and 127 comeback that year was kinda boycotted. They were not doing bad. Also don't know how valid is to call a group flop on digitals or streams when they don't release music for the GP and yet they are like the only active bg debuted on 2016 or after that has some decent digitals and streams on Korea.
The numbers u r calling decent r pretty flop numbers. And all bgs that debuted later r also digital failures.
And no for a SM bg selling that much wasn't good and the sales were increasing every year. But that doesn't matter anymore as nct surely improved alot in physical sales.
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Who cares what those pressed losers told about bp? Lol. Fact is their debut ep outsold every other gg except some of Twice and izone albums. And even today it keeps on selling. They wouldn't have sold so much if they weren't growing a big fandom back then. I wasn't into kpop back then but some people seriously lack observation skills and r
The numbers u r calling decent r pretty flop numbers. And all bgs that debuted later r also digital failures.
And no for a SM bg selling that much wasn't good and the sales were increasing every year. But that doesn't matter anymore as nct surely improved alot in physical sales.
Well whatever you say then, but still you are treating NCT like a normal Kpop SM group when they aren't, they were 3 years old on 2019 and EXO numbers from debut are not the usual even for SM groups. Both 127 and Dream were doing average and I could even argue Dream was doing pretty good for their promotions and investments. NCT stopped underperforming on 2018 imo with the Empathy project, they just exploded really hard last year but they were not the flops you think, yes, sales were going up but from like 2016 to 2018/19 pretty much all non-Produce groups that weren't already at the top were struggling to grow because Produce was taking a big part of the attention. And BP and NCT were being the exception, just that BP had a lot more attention since the start because of their digitals, views and popularity while NCT was this confusing group with many members with no hits and noisy music that despite of that already had 2 units with a growing fandom making almost GOT7 numbers sales-wise. You could say that from 2018 to 2019 they barely grew and I could understand It but they were still constantly growing.
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Well whatever you say then, but still you are treating NCT like a normal Kpop SM group when they aren't, they were 3 years old on 2019 and EXO numbers from debut are not the usual even for SM groups. Both 127 and Dream were doing average and I could even argue Dream was doing pretty good for their promotions and investments. NCT stopped underperforming on 2018 imo with the Empathy project, they just exploded really hard last year but they were not the flops you think, yes, sales were going up but from like 2016 to 2018/19 pretty much all non-Produce groups that weren't already at the top were struggling to grow because Produce was taking a big part of the attention. And BP and NCT were being the exception, just that BP had a lot more attention since the start because of their digitals, views and popularity while NCT was this confusing group with many members with no hits and noisy music that despite of that already had 2 units with a growing fandom making almost GOT7 numbers sales-wise. You could say that from 2018 to 2019 they barely grew and I could understand It but they were still constantly growing.
Fair enough but a big3 group will always have high hopes. And u know how SM groups r treated by people until they achieve success.
For once u spilled.
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Hmmm, Super Junior got really big in their 4th year tho, with Sorry Sorry. Imo SJ at their peak (fandom wise at least) are at the same level as EXO.
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Hmmm, Super Junior got really big in their 4th year tho, with Sorry Sorry. Imo SJ at their peak (fandom wise at least) are at the same level as EXO.
Well exceptions exist but they weren't the biggest 2nd gen group of SM. And i don't think we can equate exo's and suju's fandom as exo has way more sales. But yes for 2nd gen group they had one of the biggest fandoms.
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Wasn't suju's highest selling album released in 2019? Then their best selling album was beyond peak.
But i get the comparison.
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Wasn't suju's highest selling album released in 2019? Then their best selling album was beyond peak.
But i get the comparison.
You really can't compare straight numbers when it's sales from the last three years to numbers before that. Everyone's sales are up because kpop has gotten more popular and it is easier to get albums.
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the way people consider successful a gg that has good digitals and sells 400k in physicals, but considers a flop an bg that has "bad digitals" (even if they are #2 or #3 among Bgs rn) but manages to sell 2.8M with an album. lol
boy groups objectively make more money than girl groups and thats why companies tend to focus more on them...
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True. I know that very well. But a 2nd gen increasing their sales is a different thing compared to a 3rd gen increasing sales.
That's why I said best selling album is beyond peak. Obviously no one would claim nct is bigger than suju and especially TVXQ who can still destroy 3rd gen Groups in tours. Lol
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the way people consider successful a gg that has good digitals and sells 400k in physicals, but considers a flop an bg that has "bad digitals" (even if they are #2 or #3 among Bgs rn) but manages to sell 2.8M with an album. lol
boy groups objectively make more money than girl groups and thats why companies tend to focus more on them...
If a girl group is selling 400k they'll tour extremely well. Simple.
And no bg except bts has sold 2.8M with an album yet and they r next level in digitals and streams.
Bgs tend to have fandoms to sell things but these days there r ggs that can do that.
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If a girl group is selling 400k they'll tour extremely well. Simple.
And no bg except bts has sold 2.8M with an album yet and they r next level in digitals and streams.
Bgs tend to have fandoms to sell things but these days there r ggs that can do that.
if a gg that is selling 400k will tour well, then a bg that sells this much will also, casuals listeners dont matter when it comes to touring.
And NCT Resonance's P1 & p2(Repack) combined sold 2.8m copies
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combining sales? Gaon doesn't follow that type of inflation. But it's impressive how much nct improved from before sure.
Where did I say a bg with 1M sales won't tour well?
Well there r different kind of fans. A fan who streams without buying album can also come to their faves tour.
A top level group has everything from sales to tours to digitals and streams.
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I think it’s a case by case basis.
Most JYP groups before Stray Kidz got a hit within their first year. Most YGE group after Big Bang debuted with a hit. Only SM group had to work a bit more because they have a stronger manufactured image than YGE (cool, artistry) and JYP (relatable, fun) so they usually didn’t get hits and take off until a bit into their careers. (their advantage of physicals sales at the beginning helps though)
NCT is an anomaly. even though they sell many albums, their public support is really low and they have no hits. They’ll sell a lot of albums, but Koreans won’t put them above EXO, SUJU, SHINWA, HOT, SHINEE, TVXQ because they don’t have hit songs.
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My life’s been magic
Seems fantastic
I used to have a hole in the wall with a mattress
Funny when you want it
Suddenly you have it
You find out that your gold’s just plastic
Everyday every night
I’ve been thinking back on you and I
Everyday every night
I worked my whole life
Just to get high
Just to realize
Look at me i’m never coming down
I worked my whole life
Just to get high
Just to realize
Everything i need is on the
Everything i need is on the ground
On the ground
Everything i need is on the ground
(But they don’t hear me though)
Yeah what goes up
It must come down
You’re running out of time
My life’s been hectic
Seems electric
But i’ve been waking up with your voice in my head
And i’m tryna send a message
To let you know
That every single minute i’m without you i regret it
Everyday every night
I worked my whole life
Just to get high
Just to realize
Look at me i’m never coming down
I worked my whole life
Just to get high
Just to realize
Everything i need is on the
Everything i need is on the ground
On the ground
Everything i need is on the ground
(But they don’t hear me though)
Yeah what goes up
It must come down
You’re running out of time
I’m way up in the clouds
They say i’ve made it now
But i figured it out
Everything i need is on the ground
Just drove by your house
So far from you now
But I figured it out
Everything i need is on the
Everything i need is on the ground
On the ground
Everything i need is on the ground
(But they don’t hear me though)
On the ground
Everything i need is on the ground
Did i get the lyrics right?
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combining sales? Gaon doesn't follow that type of inflation. But it's impressive how much nct improved from before sure.
Where did I say a bg with 1M sales won't tour well?
Well there r different kind of fans. A fan who streams without buying album can also come to their faves tour.
A top level group has everything from sales to tours to digitals and streams.
of course a million seller bg will tour well, what i’m trying to say here is that a bg that sells 400k will also tour well.
take as an example Twice and Got7...
And btw dont care about gaon or whatever, im just saying how much resonance sold.
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