Let's bring back the question: Hwasa is the most successful 3rd gen female soloist in Korea?

Can you name a single female group soloist who can still dominate Charts (with CONSISTENT release every year or 2 at least!) since their debut? And even before that!

Her new song so far!

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Her songs since 2018!

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For the nostalgia! 😂

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Hwasa is the most successful 3rd generation female soloist (idol) in Korea

Yeah, I said it. I was debating whether or not to make this declaration for a while, but the recent Gallup results gave me the last push I need.

How many other third gen girl group idols have:

Not 1 but 2 songs that scored a Perfect All Kill. Actually 3 if you count her project group song.

Don't Give It To Me - PAK
Twit - PAK
Don't Touch Me - PAK

Maria was also a hit song, and it was blocked by one song or it ALSO would've gotten a PAK.

I Love My Body was a moderate hit this year, peaking in the Melon…

Yama-Chan

Dec 19th 2023

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Jennie

Jennie is not even close to Hwasa. She has like 5 title track. Hwasa had more than 10 comebacks and only 1 didn't enter the TOP100, and Hwasa is still the only 3rd gen female Idol with 4 different All-Kills.

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Jennie is biggest

Hwasa is up there with Rosé.

With Rose? Come on now. Rose only achieved a PAK this year with the Bruno collab, and I'm pretty sure Jennie doesn't have a PAK yet, only a RAK or CAK.

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I am no fan of Jennie, not anymore. But she is clearly Korea's favorite. I think Hwasa ranks third behind Jennie and Yooa, the best dancer in 3rd gen.

Why are you talking about dance?😂

I think this list is enough to show who's more successful SO FAR!

I'm pretty sure Blackpink members didn't have 12 songs in general till 2025, let alone charting with 11 songs in the TOP50.

Both Hwasa and Jennie has 5 TOP10 songs on Melon btw!

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Jennie then Hwasa then Chungha

Solo went #1

You & Me went #2

Spot #1

Mantra # 3

Like Jennie # 1

You'll probably argue scarcity but nobody cares when it's Gdragon so...🤷🏾‍♀️

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Your GD hate is unquestionable. 🤣

The stats above. Both have 3 #1 and 5 TOP5 songs.

Jennie didn't release songs every year like Hwasa, but now she might do it since she left the dungeon. So, in my eyes, Hwasa's stats are more impressive, because she's not part of a big group or a company, and she does this for 6 consecutive years now.

Jennie had "SOLO" in 2018, then "OTG" in 2023, that's 5 years thanks to YG, probably. Since 2023 she released music every year, so in my eyes her solo career started 2 years ago. I mean, the real counting. Charting wise, she reached Hwasa in 2 years, so she's definitely up there, and she's selling more albums for obvious reasons, but I will only say Jennie is the most successful if she can do this for at least 5 years.

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Hwasa is not as consistent as Jennie but her charting is more impressive imo because she isn't carried by a big label or group.

I also think Maria is the biggest 3rd gen female solo after Gotta Go so I will give her the edge.

Hwasa > Jennie > Chunga

Hwasa is not consistent? I literally post the stats, every time she produced her own song she entered the TOP10 and out of 12 songs 11 entered the TOP50 on Melon's Main Chart. If that's not consistency, I don't know what is. 😂

I'm kinda surprised people mentioned Chungha, btw. I would never guess people think she's in the TOP3.

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Nothing I said was a lie, it's right there, you can see it.

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Why must we define "success" through the myopic lens of charting? AKP, are really that incapable of contextualizing the achievements of your favorite artists without attaching them to a list of numbers? Will you be like a lost flock of sheep wandering around aimlessly without your soulless charts telling which direction to flock to?

Sure, I think Hwasa is the most individual solo artist, but it has nothing to do with those virulent charts.

Hwasa is the most successful, because in a country known for its incredibly harsh beauty standards, Hwasa boldly stood on stage as her authentic self, despite facing harsh scrutiny since she was in middle school, and she redefined what "beauty" can look like in Korea.

Hwasa is the most successful, because she went from performing on a small stage for an audience where only friends and families even know who she was and cheered to becoming one of the most recognizable and beloved celebrities in the country.

Hwasa is the most successful because she has proven that the path TO that success isn't just a singular path at all but multiple routes that can lead you to accomplishing your dreams as an artist.

These are reasons, among several others I've yet to mention, that make Hwasa one of the most successful artists in the history of the industry, and she should be celebrated for those aspects of her career and not this banal, vapid and dehumanizing chart talk.

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Can you see the irony?😂

I wasn't talking about only Charts. I just mentioned those, but we could mention multiple things as well. Like Variety Shows, official titles given by the industry, influence on the industry and people in general (not just teens), Awards, etc.

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Not David succumbing to chart talk.

I don't, I only did it because many people said, her career is finished, she's a nugu. That's all. My thread isn't really about Charts alone. It's just one example that she didn't lost any of her star power in Korea.

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not when jennie exist

And had all her songs chart in melon top 5

Girl, you can literally see the stats in this thread. Hwasa now has 4 songs in the TOP5, and she has 6 more on the TOP50. And some are just a CF songs, not even a real comeback, and as I said above, it's not only about Charts. Jennie has similar stats and better streaming numbers in general for obvious reasons, Hwasa did it alone. But what's more important is that Jennie can only influence the teens and her own age range, meanwhile Hwasa has no limitation when it comes to age or gender. Not to mention her influence on this industry and women in general or Kpop Idols.

The most important question here is: Jennie would be on this level without YG and BP? I don't think so, but she's definitely the only 3rd gen female Idol who can come close to Hwasa.

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That's great and all but it's still Jennie. Not to discredit Hwasa because she's one of the most successful soloist, and achieved something that is rare coming from a small company. However, if we're going by "most" successful soloist, then it's clearly Jennie

Based on what stats? Streaming numbers and 1 album sales? That's not enough to compare them, especially because one of them is a member of the most mainstream girl group of this decade.

I would be here all day if I have to share all the things Hwasa did in the past 11 years and how Koreans think about her still and how big she is there. Success is not only about numbers, it's about how they changed the industry, and she did. She went against the whole industry and Koreans and changed their mind about her. That's 10 times bigger achievement than any Chart or streaming stats.

Let's say how it is. Jennie is bigger in the West, Hwasa is bigger in Korea. That's not exaggeration or being delulu, that's the truth. It's just most people don't know this because they only listen to her music, probably and that's all.

Let's not forget how the Industry calls her: The Queen of Queens. That's an official title. No one else have that. If all these aren't a bigger achievement, I don't know what is.

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How are we measuring success?

The most basic measurement most people use is obviously Charts, Streaming, Album sales, and maybe concerts, but Jennie doesn't have any of those. Only Hwasa had a solo World Tour yet. Album sales and streaming is not really a competition if we include Spotify and YT. If it's only Korean platforms like Melon it's a different thing. For example, in 2022 Hwasa was the #30 most streamed female soloist and Jennie was not in the TOP50 at all. I can't find more recent charts and I don't have time to update their Melon stats manually. Jennie is probably in the TOP50 now.

Top 50 Most Streamed Female Soloists on Melon - KOREAN SALES

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What's the point of the conversation if we're going to say being a part of blackpink contributes to her success? Of course that is an important thing, but it's not the only reason why Jennie is the most successful 3rd gen soloist in Korea.

I don't have the numbers, but I assume she's ahead of Hwasa in the important metrics such as album sales, streams, brand,

Because it matters where you came from. At least 70% of Jennie's success comes from being a BIG3 group member. That's a fact. And I was kinda generous with that 70%, because imo that's a lot higher.

Like I said, Jennie's gonna be ahead of Hwasa on Streaming and Album sales because she's under massive labels. That's not even a fair comparison. It's like comparing two Formula 1 driver, but one is driving a Ferrari and the other one driving a simple family car. That's why they can only go head-to-head on digitals.

Outside of Korea it's not even close. Like, look at these stats. RBW barely did anything to promote Hwasa, and Pnation isn't doing much better either.

400K playlisting on Day 1 for Hwasa (4.6M overall) and 8 million (194M overall) for Jennie!

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and influence. Look, I'm not going to discredit Hwasa because I think she's in the top 3. It's also incredible what she was able to do because it's hard for an idol to make a name for themselves as a soloist. I think conversation about Hwasa would be much better if she didn't release polarizing music under p-nation.

Her influence is unquestionable. Jennie lost that fight a long time ago and never gonna come close to that. No offense to her, but Jennie is just another popular Kpop Idol. Hwasa actually changed the industry and people.

What do you mean by "polarizing music"? I mean, it's not like Jennie's music is something that everyone loves and can't be controversial. If that's what you mean.

Anyway, the fact is that no other female Idol ever being called the Queen of Queens by the media and only 2 or 3 female singer were called Queen officially. Kim Wansun, BoA, Lee Hyori, and IU, and now Hwasa. So, as I said, it's more than just numbers. The real success is when you can make a real, everlasting impact on someone, and she did it without being under a big company.

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You lost me here because how can we say Jennie doesn't have "Charts, Streaming, Album sales" She just released one of the most successful solo albums of all time. If Jennie wants to do a world tour, then Jennie would be able to do a world tour. I'm not going to put down Hwasa to defend Jennie, so I will just leave it at that. I like Hwasa and I think this is just getting silly for trying to dismiss Jennie's efforts with lies.

That's not what I said. I said Jennie doesn't have World Tours, not Chart, streaming and album sales. Looks you didn't understand what I said.

Jennie won't be able to do a World Tour because she doesn't have enough songs for that. She won't do any World Tour for years.

I didn't lie, I only speak the truth. 99% of Kpop stans pick Jennie because she's more mainstream in the West and most of you have zero idea about how big Hwasa in Korea.

Let's talk about Jennie when she's doing this for 6 consecutive years okay?

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“Jennie doesn’t have charts, streaming and album sales 💀”

No matter what you will says, that person will always find something to hate on Jennie (or Blackpink in general 🤷‍♀️)

You guys are the problem, not me. It's not my fault if you can't understand simple words.

This is what I said:

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The most basic measurement most people use is obviously Charts, Streaming, Album sales, and maybe concerts, but Jennie doesn't have any of those. Only Hwasa had a solo World Tour yet.

You failed, yet again, and only see the Charts, Streaming, and Album sales even tho the 2nd part was about concerts. So don't blame me if you lack reading comprehension.

When I said: "Jennie doesn't have any of those" I literally meant Jennie doesn't have solo tours. It's really not that hard to understand, but maybe it is.

Also, only idiots like you Blonks think everything is hate. No wonder Kpop fans don't take Blinks seriously. Ignoring the stats won't make you any better, you're just another token Blackpink stan.

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I’m B (2021) #36

Somebody 2022) #25

I love my body (2023) #8

Chill (2023) #44

Good Goodbey #10

We definitely have different meanings of CONSISTENT domination here, lol kkkkkk

#JENNIE highest peaks on MelOn Weekly Chart

#1 SOLO (2018)

#3 You & Me ( 2023 )

#1 SPOT! ( 2024 )

#3 Mantra ( 2024 )

#1 Like Jennie ( 2025 )

Not bad for someone ‘outdated’ in Korea, huh?

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Not bad for someone who can't read. Out of 12 songs, 11 were in the TOP50 on Melon, and Hwasa also has 4 TOP5 and 3 #1 songs, and 4 different All-Kills. How many Jennie has. None! She only has like 1 RAK, that's all.

Again, let's talk when Jennie can top charts or even just be in the TOP50 for 6 consecutive years. Never said Jennie is outdated in Korea, another stupid Blonk who can't read, what a surprise.

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After ruby I think it’s safe to say Jennie.

When that question was asked before Jennie had not yet released an album but post that there’s no competition.

Hwasa literally dominating the Korean Charts as of today with her new song in her 6th consecutive year! For Jennie, this is her 2nd year without YG and already had a 5 year gap after her debut.

So, no, it's not safe to say it's Jennie. She's basically a rookie soloist.

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OTG?? On the ground???

Jennie released You & Me in 2023, an unpromoted track and hit top 5

I was talking about the collab song with Weekend oppa. "You and Me" was released after that.

Also, stop saying it was unpromoted. Why Blinks acting as if their faves are some kind of nugu group?

This is your "unpromoted" song on it's FIRST DAY having 22M playlisting and I didn't mention Youtube and other promotions, be serious please.💀

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Meanwhile, Hwasa in her 6th year without any hiatus and massive promo, and she's doing it against so many mainstream groups, soloists, Davichi and the biggest song of Kpop, probably.

Latest peaks on Charts.

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And it's not like she's non-existent outside of Asia, btw. And let's not forget, she only ONE Western collab and zero payola.

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when this pity party ends man.....

The real pity party is that the so called Queen of Kpop (at least that's what your fandom says) Jisoo didn't even enter TOP50 with her "Earthquake" not to mention her latest Western collab, that's not even in the TOP100.

Meanwhile, this is Hwasa's 11th track on the Chart 6 years in a row.

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In Korea maybe they’re both successful but outside korea the difference is so huge that it supersedes it.

Mate, did you read the title of my thread? It's about Korea. I'm not blind, Hwasa is obv not even half as big as Jennie in the West, but tbf, on digitals, she's not that far off even tho she's not part of a mainstream group or under a big company.

I mean, all these years, and she's still in the TOP5 most streamed female Idols on Spotify. And she's still the only 3rd gen female Idol with 2 albums topping iTunes US album chart. Only Taeyeon did that.

Doing this with zero US promo (+ zero English songs) is pretty good if you ask me.

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Look at these Spotify stats. No wonder Jennie is above Hwasa. The difference is more than 200M playlisting.

Based on this, you can see, Jennie's career started peaking in 2023 basically, and Hwasa was consistent every year.

HWASA | Spotify Analytics | Songstats

JENNIE | Spotify Analytics | Songstats

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There is just no album like ruby this year. Not even just solo. Just kpop period that’s all there is to it.

This is only true for female Idols, not male. Gdragon ended the whole BP squad with his album, and if you wanna talk about groups too, she's not even close to them, so don't go overboard.