Newjeans my beloved, I think they're at the top because korean charting matters and is a big piece of the pie in my opinion.
Stray Kids is a pretty easy #2 though.
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Multistans in shambles 
Someone wanted their own hit thread I see 
*@/BEG4DAWIN voice*
Mods, please merge
I sell my vote for 100 akorns
Even if nj had same numbers in 2024 as in 2023 I'd still vote for sk. They sold 550k tickets in 2022 with 13k average per show, and in 2023 350k with 35k per show. They grew even more in the meantime. Current tour is still ongoing and there are no numbers but only 2 mexico dates had 115k attendees, same for sao paolo who had 120k attendees. Their touring power is insane.
Stray kids all the way.
I read previous thread. what kind of kpop fan are you if you've never heard god's menu. You're obviously doing it in purpose.
I'm gonna be honest: if somebody told me Stray Kids was some elaborate fanfic-y hoax and they never really existed, I'd believe it.
Even if nj had same numbers in 2024 as in 2023 I'd still vote for sk. They sold 550k tickets in 2022 with 13k average per show, and in 2023 350k with 35k per show. They grew even more in the meantime. Current tour is still ongoing and there are no numbers but only 2 mexico dates had 115k attendees, same for sao paolo who had 120k attendees. Their touring power is insane.
Stray kids all the way.
I read previous thread. what kind of kpop fan are you if you've never heard god's menu. You're obviously doing it in purpose.
It's a nugu song from a group nobody listens to outside of their fandom. What's hard to understand about that?
You can make your vote. Many people vote without using their heads.
You not listening to them doesn't make them nugu. I don't listen to stray kids, i find their music too noisy. But even i know 5 songs of theirs. So yes, it is surprising to me that someone at least doesn't know god's menu.
Someone wanted their own hit thread I see
You just live under a rock.
God's Menu I'm pretty sure is their most successful song to this day and no, its not a "nugu" song that only STAYs listen to. Go listen to God's Menu and tell me with absolute honesty that you've never heard it.
Lie and I will pray to the kpop gods that NJs never be restored to their prior prestige.
You don't listening to them doesn't make them nugu. I don't listen to stray kids, i find their music to noisy. But even i know 5 songs of theirs. So yes, it is surprising to me that someone at least doesn't know god's menu.
Never heard of nugu's menu, and based on its numbers, that's the case for most people even in the K-Pop space.
Maniac is the only song that has escaped the confines of their fandom. I know it's hard for people to contextualize and rationalize a group that has powerful fandom metrics but splish splash trash popularity and song metrics, but that's SKZ in a nutshell.
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You just live under a rock.
God's Menu I'm pretty sure is their most successful song to this day and no, its not a "nugu" song that only STAYs listen to. Go listen to God's Menu and tell me with absolute honesty that you've never heard it.
Lie and I will pray to the kpop gods that NJs never be restored to their prior prestige.
Didn't do anything on Billboard, and I know it didn't do anything in Korea, because SKZ never chart there.
It's basically a nugu song, as far as I'm concerned.
Never heard of it. And absolutely NOBODY is listing, what was it called, God's Menu as one of the great classic songs of the 4th generation.
A SKZ song wouldn't even make the top 30, if such a list existed.
I don't give a damn how a group tours, if their fans are the only ones who care about their songs.
Didn't do anything on Billboard
If this were true then NJs are not much better off. Pretty sure I screenshotted in BillBoard stats to you.
Never heard of it. And absolutely NOBODY is listing, what was it called, God's Menu as one of the great classic songs of the 4th generation.
"Needless to say"
And like plenty people have said before, this is false.
If you know this much about them then obviously you have heard of them and you're just lying out of your ass. Cuz how can you tell me that you've apparently never heard any of their songs but you just KNOW FOR SURE that their fans are the only ones that care about their songs??
If this were true then NJs are not much better off. Pretty sure I screenshotted in BillBoard stats to you.
"Needless to say"
And like plenty people have said before, this is false.
If you know this much about them then obviously you have heard of them and you're just lying out of your ass. Cuz how can you tell me that you've apparently never heard any of their songs but you just KNOW FOR SURE that their fans are the only ones that care about their songs??
Stopped reading after the first line.
NewJeans set the record by ANY GIRL GROUP, KPOP OR OTHERWISE, for most songs in the Billboard Hot 100 in a single calendar year.
Super Shy alone has the second longest run in the Hot 100, trailing only Cupid.
NewJeans has tied BLACKPINK for the most weeks on the Billboard 200, and have the all time record for the highest units sold in the second week by any girl group ever.
NewJeans was also only the second girl group ever to have a #1 best selling album in the U.S., topping the Billboard 200 and outselling BARBIE
As I said, none of you know a god damn thing about the groups and data you try to argue about.
You have zero credibility. I'll let this thread flop too. Way too much time spent on NuguKidz today
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NewJeans set the record by ANY GIRL GROUP, KPOP OR OTHERWISE, for most songs in the Billboard Hot 100 in a single calendar year.
Super Shy alone has the second longest run in the Hot 100, trailing only Cupid.
NewJeans has tied BLACKPINK for the most weeks on the Billboard 200, and have the all time record for the highest units sold in the second week by any girl group ever.
NewJeans was also only the second girl group ever to have a #1 best selling album in the U.S., topping the Billboard 200 and outselling BARBIE
As I said, none of you know a god damn thing about the groups and data you try to argue about.
You have zero credibility. I'll let this thread flop too. Way too much time spent on NuguKidz today
Sorry, I stopped reading after the first line.
god's menu is that bitch
everyone and their mother was doing a cover of god's menu
I am sure people who don't follow BG's enough won't know/remember the song but that bitch is anything but 'unknown' people be in denial. Youtube is FULL of various regions(countries) doing dance covers of this song, it gave us that iconic line du-du-du and Felix took off with that voice.
stray kids gave us these masterpieces
So common sense and objectivity prevailed on this thread after all. 💀
Even if nj had same numbers in 2024 as in 2023 I'd still vote for sk. They sold 550k tickets in 2022 with 13k average per show, and in 2023 350k with 35k per show. They grew even more in the meantime. Current tour is still ongoing and there are no numbers but only 2 mexico dates had 115k attendees, same for sao paolo who had 120k attendees. Their touring power is insane.
Stray kids all the way.
I read previous thread. what kind of kpop fan are you if you've never heard god's menu. You're obviously doing it in purpose.
Njs would start touring by know if all this mess didn’t happen, and if their charting remained as strong as their 2023 performance, it would be Njs 100%
But we know what happened
Stray Kids' popularity is very peculiar. The fact that they are able to sell out stadiums all over the world except in their home country is very intriguing.
Never heard of nugu's menu, and based on its numbers, that's the case for most people even in the K-Pop space.
Maniac is the only song that has escaped the confines of their fandom. I know it's hard for people to contextualize and rationalize a group that has powerful fandom metrics but splish splash trash popularity and song metrics, but that's SKZ in a nutshell.
Again, just because you don't listen to them it doesn't mean they are not popular. I know maybe 5 Taylor swift songs, does that mean she's not massive as she is because me personally only know a few songs?
God's menu is what made them blew up. it went viral with non fans for Felix's deep voice or at least that's how I found out about it. How is god's menu nugu? It has over 400m on spotify and over 500m on YouTube. It has more than maniac that you just said you heard.
Njs would start touring by know if all this mess didn’t happen, and if their charting remained as strong as their 2023 performance, it would be Njs 100%
But we know what happened
Nj doing as well in the west as stray kids, that's absolute nonsense. We just proved that charting in Korea isn't important for good touring numbers.
Nobody listens to them. They are not popular outside the fandom. This isn't a personal anecdote, nor is it my opinion. This is a fact. Music is as much a data driven business as there is. Success is routinely quantified. Companies are looking get bigger numbers to yield bigger profits. They employ teams of data analysts to track and benchmark all of these figures.
For measuring the growth and stability and loyalty of a fandom, touring and album sales are key, but to measure the overall popularity of the group? They're virtually useless.
Twice is touring as well as any girl group in the industry today, but it would be a logical fallacy to say they're the most popular girl group in the industry based on that fact, when none of their songs chart any more.
Just to use them as an example.
With Stray Kidz, while they certainly have a massive fandom, the public doesn't care about their music at all.
I don't think you're all understanding that I would gladly take a step back on this argument if SKZ had some chart success, but they don't have any. Not even in the West, which is where they have the most success.
God's Menu absolutely did not blow up. That is disrespectful to the word. You want to know a song that blew up?
Cupid.
Please choose your words more wisely next time.
You want to know a group that has a massive fandom and massively popular music? You stan them. You have a perfect example of this in BTS:
Now compare that to Stray Kids
Not even in the same stratosphere.
And again, that's in the West. If I go to Korea, the gap is even wider.
Let me put it this way, talking about gaps.
In the West, NewJeans have topped Stray Kidz in at least international charting success AND popularity with the general public. And it isn't particularly close.
It's 21 total weeks in the Billboard Hot 100 vs. 3 total weeks.
That's an arena that Stray Kidz should dominate based on how everyone speaks of them.
For instance, Dynamite alone surpasses all of the weeks NewJeans have spent in the Billboard Hot 100. And I would never ever argue NewJeans is more popular than BTS, because the data makes that obvious.
The data does not support the narratives that SKZ fans and their apologists are trying to push about them. You CANNOT get "meh" results in the West AND be completely irrelevant in your HOME COUNTRY AND still be considered the top group of the industry.
Ten years from now, this era will be remembered as the NewJeans era, NOT the SKZ era.
People need to just deal with it.
Nj doing as well in the west as stray kids, that's absolute nonsense. We just proved that charting in Korea isn't important for good touring numbers.
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The amount of unapologetic ignorance on this forum is just disgusting.
Super Shy alone outperformed every SKZ on the Billboard Hot 100 combined.
Nobody fucking fact checks anything. They just yap based on their emotions or feelings.
People may think I'm biased, but I never make an argument that isn't backed by a mountain of empirical data.
And this is just inexcusable
I rest my case.
Nj doing as well in the west as stray kids, that's absolute nonsense. We just proved that charting in Korea isn't important for good touring numbers.
Njs western chart performance is much more impressive than Skz’s. Like look at the streams of Super Shy compared to La La La. The difference is humongous. Njs was on the way to become bigger than BP, but their Hybe-Ador drama ruined everything.
Stray Kids' popularity is very peculiar. The fact that they are able to sell out stadiums all over the world except in their home country is very intriguing.
I remember mentioning how sneaky popular they were in the most random places. I remember seeing them consistently trending in South America of all places. I swear they would murk any group outside of BTS and BP when it comes to South American popularity. Super random tbh.
gotta admire stray kids being besties with Ryan Reynolds
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