How do you determine the size of a fandom?
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Statistics
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Statistics
Based on what data
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I guess streaming and social media activity could be a good metric.
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Based on what data
Variety of data.
Data from social media, average amount of sales, average amount of views, subscribers, followers, etc
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I guess streaming and social media activity could be a good metric.
Streaming include a lot of casual listeners and social media is pretty deceiving like treasure fans are way more active than all groups in my op except maybe bp
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Variety of data.
Data from social media, average amount of sales, average amount of views, subscribers, followers,
make sense. Never seen it, altho kpop fans love numbers and comparisons
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make sense. Never seen it, altho kpop fans love numbers and comparisons
"altho kpop fans love numbers and comparisons"
THIS
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Based on what data
i just go on google trends and search up the group/idol
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Social media statistics, touring numbers and charting(at least for boy groups)
Albums too, but only to a certain extent.
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i just go on google trends and search up the group/idol
Doesn’t this gives the edge to the more popular. Like I’m sure twice is more talked about but not sure they have bigger fandom than seventeen or nct.
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concert
album sales.
Merchandise Sales
brand reputation - I think for this if you were able to keep getting a top spot with or without comeback then your fandom is big.
Real-time chart - If you can chart well with your b-side as well, then your fandom is pretty huge. Usually, gp doesn't listen to artist b-side.
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streams and physical sales
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Album sales
Concert attendance is also a good metric I guess
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Measure it with a scale duh
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Yt views and subscribers, number of instagram followers (individual members too) and spotify listeners
All are public info, but I think yt subscribers and insta followers could count more
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streams and physical sales
Streaming is relative, imo. Sometimes it indicates that the group has a good amount of casual listeners, If the album sales are low in comparison.
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Concert attendance is the best metric. Casual fans don’t spend money to go to concerts. Fans can’t bulkbuy tickets. Some websites like Ticketmaster have restrictions set up. That’s the best way to know fandom size. You can also factor in how fast ticket gets sold. That will show demand and how many fans were actually willing to pay tickets to the concert.
Because it’s different if for the same arena it takes an act 1hour to sell out, but takes 3 days for another act to sell out
Physicals isn’t a good metric. Some fans don’t bother with albums and some fans bulkbuy. Not a true measure of popularity
Streaming too has too many factors and influences involved. It does show popularity but not really a good metric for fandom size
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Yt views and subscribers, number of instagram followers (individual members too) and spotify listeners
All are public info, but I think yt subscribers and insta followers could count more
Isnt this an indication of popularity not fandom. Like bp members destroy nct in all of those but i have a feeling the nct fandom is not a lot smaller than bp fandom.
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Concert attendance is the best metric. Casual fans don’t spend money to go to concerts. Fans can’t bulkbuy tickets. Some websites like Ticketmaster have restrictions set up. That’s the best way to know fandom size. You can also factor in how fast ticket gets sold. That will show demand and how many fans were actually willing to pay tickets to the concert.
Because it’s different if for the same arena it takes an act 1hour to sell out, but takes 3 days for another act to sell out
Physicals isn’t a good metric. Some fans don’t bother with albums and some fans bulkbuy. Not a true measure of popularity
Streaming too has too many factors and influences involved. It does show popularity but not really a good metric for fandom size
Good answer.. how would you rank the fandoms in my op based on this? If you know and like to answer
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Streaming is relative, imo. Sometimes it indicates that the group has a good amount of casual listeners, If the album sales are low in comparison.
makes sense
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I wouldn’t call suju popular but I think they have a bigish fandom
Well they’re not anymore but they used to be and had quite a huge following, but the fan base has dwindled a bit in recent years.
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concert
album sales.
Merchandise Sales
brand reputation - I think for this if you were able to keep getting a top spot with or without comeback then your fandom is big.
Real-time chart - If you can chart well with your b-side as well, then your fandom is pretty huge. Usually, gp doesn't listen to artist b-side.
Twice has big fandom but I never seen their b side chart in any major charts it's always their title tracks was huge I think it is same with seventeen and NCT too
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Touring is indeed the most foul proof metric out there
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Album sales
Merch sales
Concert tix sales
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It's very hard to do. Streaming definitely isn't it because groups can have different ratios of casual listeners, and depending on the demographics of their fanbase their streams will also vary, and people from different countries behave differently, in some countries they might prefer buying songs and album to streaming.
The second best metric is concert attendance, but this one also comes with its own set of problems, for one you have to factor in the GDP of each country because let's say a group has 100k fans in the US and they also have 100k fans in a poor country, just based on how much money they have you will get significantly less people able to buy a ticket even though it's the same number of hardcore fans.
On top of that, even in the case of two countries where people make about the same amount of money you'll have a difference in culture when it comes to concert attendance, in some places people are more willing to attend concerts of artists they don't know or they only know them on a casual basis. There is also ticket pricing.
The biggest problem with using concert attendance as a metric is the existence of a predetermined number of tickets, as much as labels and event organizers try their best it's hard to judge how many people a group can get to attend their concert, and they will try to be conservative with their estimates, so if a group is constantly growing then their current attendance numbers are gonna be way off relative to how much they can actually pull.
In my personal opinion the best metric is album sales, BUT you still have to factor in a lot of variables, doing a 1 to 1 comparison of album sales between two groups is gonna be incredibly inaccurate.
1) How many version does the album have
2) Price of the album
3) Length of time between comebacks
4) Where the sales are coming from: The same as concert attendance, whether it's a poor country or a rich one will matter a lot, how big is the physical market is in that country, and the strength of the fandom culture in that region.
This also relates to the second variable(price) because not only do albums have different prices from each other, but they can heavily vary depending on where they are sold, an album that cost $20 dollars in Korea might be sold for $50 in another country, And because of that groups who have more fans in areas where albums are more expensive will have their sales reduced.
This is just a guess, I'm gonna use BTS and give my estimate to how big the fandom of other groups is relative to theirs(hardcore fans, no casuals):
- Blackpink 1/4
- NCT 1/4
- TWICE 1/12
- TXT 1/14
- Stray Kids 1/16
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It's very hard to do. Streaming definitely isn't it because groups can have different ratios of casual listeners, and depending on the demographics of their fanbase their streams will also vary, and people from different countries behave differently, in some countries they might prefer buying songs and album to streaming.
The second best metric is concert attendance, but this one also comes with its own set of problems, for one you have to factor in the GDP of each country because let's say a group has 100k fans in the US and they also have 100k fans in a poor country, just based on how much money they have you will get significantly less people able to buy a ticket even though it's the same number of hardcore fans.
On top of that, even in the case of two countries where people make about the same amount of money you'll have a difference in culture when it comes to concert attendance, in some places people are more willing to attend concerts of artists they don't know or they only know them on a casual basis. There is also ticket pricing.
The biggest problem with using concert attendance as a metric is the existence of a predetermined number of tickets, as much as labels and event organizers try their best it's hard to judge how many people a group can get to attend their concert, and they will try to be conservative with their estimates, so if a group is constantly growing then their current attendance numbers are gonna be way off relative to how much they can actually pull.
In my personal opinion the best metric is album sales, BUT you still have to factor in a lot of variables, doing a 1 to 1 comparison of album sales between two groups is gonna be incredibly inaccurate.
1) How many version does the album have
2) Price of the album
3) Length of time between comebacks
4) Where the sales are coming from: The same as concert attendance, whether it's a poor country or a rich one will matter a lot, how big is the physical market is in that country, and the strength of the fandom culture in that region.
This also relates to the second variable(price) because not only do albums have different prices from each other, but they can heavily vary depending on where they are sold, an album that cost $20 dollars in Korea might be sold for $50 in another country, And because of that groups who have more fans in areas where albums are more expensive will have their sales reduced.
This is just a guess, I'm gonna use BTS and give my estimate to how big the fandom of other groups is relative to theirs(hardcore fans, no casuals):
- Blackpink 1/4
- NCT 1/4
- TWICE 1/12
- TXT 1/14
- Stray Kids 1/16
This is very interesting thank you for taking the time to write this.
I actually wrote this with bp and nct in mind I wondered if people think they have the same fandom size and you seem to think the same as me. Really thank you for ur reply opened my eyes to some things I haven’t thought of before.
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This is very interesting thank you for taking the time to write this.
I actually wrote this with bp and nct in mind I wondered if people think they have the same fandom size and you seem to think the same as me. Really thank you for ur reply opened my eyes to some things I haven’t thought of before.
you're welcome, thanks for reading what I wrote, it took quite some time to write lol
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I think my biggest issue with your question is 'how do you define someone in the fandom from a casual fan' ?
Touring seems like an 'unbiased' metric, as people will only buy one ticket for them ( unlike albums that can be bulk-bought ). The likes on the Youtube's MV can be a good metric too, since most people won't bother creating a second account to boost the likes. How many people are following them on Instagram/Twitter too...
It's kind of a mess, lol.
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It's very hard to do. Streaming definitely isn't it because groups can have different ratios of casual listeners, and depending on the demographics of their fanbase their streams will also vary, and people from different countries behave differently, in some countries they might prefer buying songs and album to streaming.
The second best metric is concert attendance, but this one also comes with its own set of problems, for one you have to factor in the GDP of each country because let's say a group has 100k fans in the US and they also have 100k fans in a poor country, just based on how much money they have you will get significantly less people able to buy a ticket even though it's the same number of hardcore fans.
On top of that, even in the case of two countries where people make about the same amount of money you'll have a difference in culture when it comes to concert attendance, in some places people are more willing to attend concerts of artists they don't know or they only know them on a casual basis. There is also ticket pricing.
The biggest problem with using concert attendance as a metric is the existence of a predetermined number of tickets, as much as labels and event organizers try their best it's hard to judge how many people a group can get to attend their concert, and they will try to be conservative with their estimates, so if a group is constantly growing then their current attendance numbers are gonna be way off relative to how much they can actually pull.
In my personal opinion the best metric is album sales, BUT you still have to factor in a lot of variables, doing a 1 to 1 comparison of album sales between two groups is gonna be incredibly inaccurate.
1) How many version does the album have
2) Price of the album
3) Length of time between comebacks
4) Where the sales are coming from: The same as concert attendance, whether it's a poor country or a rich one will matter a lot, how big is the physical market is in that country, and the strength of the fandom culture in that region.
This also relates to the second variable(price) because not only do albums have different prices from each other, but they can heavily vary depending on where they are sold, an album that cost $20 dollars in Korea might be sold for $50 in another country, And because of that groups who have more fans in areas where albums are more expensive will have their sales reduced.
This is just a guess, I'm gonna use BTS and give my estimate to how big the fandom of other groups is relative to theirs(hardcore fans, no casuals):
- Blackpink 1/4
- NCT 1/4
- TWICE 1/12
- TXT 1/14
- Stray Kids 1/16
Oh, that's the best answer. I would have thought Twice had a bigger fandom, though, from someone who isn't an Once. Or are they mostly fueled by the GP ?
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Sadly I have no idea about their concerts. This is what I could scramble online for their latest tours.
Surprisingly SM doesn’t release Attendance numbers for some of NCT concerts so I don’t know for them. But I’ll still list for those I saw.
NCT: 123334(10 shows)
Twice: 242147(25 shows)
Seventeen (most shows got canceled due to covid): 169000(5 shows)
Blackpink:In your Area world tour(some shows didn’t release attendance figures so I didn’t add) 485889 (24 shows)
From this it’s obvious Seventeen has the biggest fandom. With only 5 shows they were able to get close to 200000 attendees which is impressive.
This is followed by Blackpink. Which is also impressive. They pulled the most attendees.
Twice is the 3rd. And they pulled their biggest numbers from the Japan tour. They definitely have a favourable fanbase there.
NCT: no position. Their numbers I got were too scanty. Couldn’t make any reference from that
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