Have you noticed this about Snsd?

so if joy leaves then .

or...it's because they weren't popular as soloists. Lots of idols are popular as a member of their group but then struggle as soloists. None of the 3 were seen as particularly good singers by the GP either. The only exception is Jessica, who as everyone knows was blacklisted.

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That doesn't explain less capable soloists still releasing solo music.

SM probably felt they wouldn't have made a profit with them releasing solo music.

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especially since both Tiffany and Seohyun are better singers than Jessica is now (and better than she was in 2014).

Agree to disagree. Taeyeon and Jessica were the best singers in SNSD by a country mile.

I thought the three members departed because they have other interests and wanted other opportunities. And they already had a legendary music career on their backs. So no, I've never seen it that way. I think Seohyun released a song after leaving SM (Respect Legend, I think is the name). I'm more inclined to think they are more interested in other fields of entertainment. Sooyoung released some singles post-SNSD. She choosing Japan to debut as a solo singer might have to do with the fact she was more popular in Japan than in Korea and that she actually debuted as a singer in a duo in Japan before being in SNSD. Tiffany tried to have a career in English and as such I guess the US were her natural destination. She saw her music was nowhere near taking off, or surviving, there so she headed back to Korea where she is still famous. Honestly, I loved her solo music but I also loved she is branching out to musicals and acting. And as others have said, they weren't among the most popular members, which is a pitty because they all three are incredibly talented and amazing women.

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I meant that Taeyeon and Jessica in 2014 were better than Tiffany and Seohyun in 2014, but Tiffany and Seohyun in 2024 are better than Jessica in 2024, and them in 2024 are better than Jessica in 2014. None of the three in 2024 are better than Taeyeon in 2024.

Tiffany's & Seohyun's voices have not miraculously improved in the past ten years. They sound exactly the same, as does Jessica, who was one of SNSD's main vocalists for a reason.

I think Sunny is out of SM and she doesn't have any solo stuff (not that she did under SM anyways)

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I think Sunny is out of SM and she doesn't have any solo stuff (not that she did under SM anyways)

Sunny indeed left SM, but she supposedly has zero interest in being under the public spotlight anymore outside of whatever she does with SNSD, so her lack of activities aren't necessarily indicative of anything.

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I meant that Taeyeon and Jessica in 2014 were better than Tiffany and Seohyun in 2014, but Tiffany and Seohyun in 2024 are better than Jessica in 2024, and them in 2024 are better than Jessica in 2014. None of the three in 2024 are better than Taeyeon in 2024.

lulz

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This can be very true and I made that observation because all 3 have shown interest in music post Snsd. They tour and sing for fans and yet they didn't even sing the singles they released or promote the singles or even talk about them or anything which was as if they aren't allowed to.

And, what you are saying is obviously the basis for them not renewing with SM and for SM to agree to do it in the first place. If they asked to stay as Snsd and chose to leave to do music outside SM, something that SM invested in them for years for, SM would've just disbanded the group and blacklisted them like they did Jessica because the Snsd brand is too big so are Sone. A good push from another label can make them bigger global stars outside SM but another career route means then starting all over again which works for SM.

I don't think any of the post releases were actual comebacks. At least not Sooyoung's, and I've never heard of idols promoting OSTs either. I might be wrong.

I think they can become big stars outside SNSD and with another brand, but they are too old for the new kpop market and their fame won't go beyond Asia if they choose to do so. I know they have international fans but not to the levels of new groups. And of course a new music career means starting from scratch.

I was going to put D.O.'s case as an example of an idol leaving SM and releasing new music afterwatds but I don't remember if he promoted Mars on music shows but I think he did win one. CBX is not a case as they are still under SM.

But Taemin left SM and has released new music and promoted in music shows under his new label, so there is a case it might not be entirely true.

But, ultimately, I have no idea what their deal with SM are or if they are really blacklisted in music shows. I hope Sooyoung sheds light on it on her debut showcase in Japan.

I kinda see your point

that's an interesting observation

Hmmm I actually don't really think this is the case, I think music career wasn't as lucrative as acting career for them which is why they are yet to do anything serious with it.

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or...it's because they weren't popular as soloists. Lots of idols are popular as a member of their group but then struggle as soloists. None of the 3 were seen as particularly good singers by the GP either. The only exception is Jessica, who as everyone knows was blacklisted.

Seohyun was part of vocal line and part lf TTS, lets not lie here

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Agree to disagree. Taeyeon and Jessica were the best singers in SNSD by a country mile.

In the early days? Yes, but not now! Taeyeon was way above everyone else in the group, but Jessica weren't.

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Seohyun was part of vocal line and part lf TTS, lets not lie here

Exactly! TTS were not formed because they are cute! 🤣

I don't like what people doing with Tiffany and Seohyun (and Sooyoung) for YEARS now. Some people just love to underestimate their talent, because they weren't as popular or Main Vocalists back in the days, and the worst part that some people think, they didn't evolve since 2017!

Tiffany and Seohyun is literally one of the best vocalists. Also, so many people sleeping on Sunny, like she doesn't exist.

The vocal line in 2024 would be like this!

1. Taeyeon

2. Seohyun and Tiffany

3. Jessica

4. Sunny

5. Sooyoung

6. Yuri

7. Yoona

8. Hyo

Singing is not about high notes or wide range, it's about technique!

I'll leave this here, because nothing's proves better who's the better singer than a Recording session!

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Yeah, no, that wasn't Jess voice that hurt Taeyeon's ear, it was the volume in her in-ear, you dummy.😂

Why do you think singers take out their in-ears sometimes? Because it's too loud, or the quality is crap. This has nothing to do with vocals.

Other than Tiffany I don't the others wanted a music career as their number 1 choice when they left SM, not SM is actively blocking them all along.

Sooyoung and Seohyun went straight into acting. Sooyoung did a bit of music but never took it seriously until recently. Yoona and Yuri are the same even while in SM, Yoona released a few songs but did very little promo that you'd associate with a soloist like Taeyeon or Hyoyeon, and Yuri had a solo debut years ago but focused on TV and movies since. Sunny said she never had any interest in music career.

Despite leaving likely for a music career in America Tiffany has almost completely shifted away from music and is much more focused on TV and acting in the last few years (she's been nominated as rookie actress at awards so I'm a few years we could have 5 award winning actresses in SNSD). When she was touring in America and Asia she also freely sang SNSD and her SM songs on her tours without restriction.

Basically of all members only Taeyeon and Hyoyeon treat music as their main carer path.

There's also the obvious Forever 1 CB where SM allowed them all to assemble, SM also let Tiffany write knowing she was going to keep a larger cut of her royalties than if she was in SM. TSS performed at SM town with the rest of SNSD and other SM artists. If SM was blacklisting TSS it's really braindead to let them perform at SM own event.

Therefore I don't think it's SM that has a part to play by blacklisting them or anything, most of them simply prefer non music careers.

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You are Exol so you've seen CBX, Chen, Baekhyun, Yoona etc promote their Osts and singles or other releases on TV shows, radio shows, at events like drama premieres, fan meetings and at their concerts. Jessica still sings her Ost with Onew at her concerts.

As for age, some older idols do promote again after a while especially now in Kpop. Sooyoung always wanted to sing and wanted recognition for her singing abilities, Tiffany has implied that she wants to sing again and her and Seohyun know that they can sing and have successful careers to a certain extent.

I believe different idols usually have different contracts. Is Taemin promoting on music shows? If he is then, either SM earns from his solo music career or he got a good deal.

I've never considered OSts comebacks and if they have promoted them it has really gone under my radar. I woud have loved to see Yoona performed Amazing Grace when she released it as OST for the K2. And Baekhyun and Chen would never leave music shows if they were to promote every OST they release. Singing it at fan meeting or requesting it when doing radio shows, albeit promotion, I do not count them as promoting. Neither it is singing it at concerts. I don't know if they have ever won a music show with an OST.

You're set on believing they can't have music careers because SM has them in some blacklist. I do not see it that way. Let's just agree to disagree and leave it at that.

Taemin did promote with his latest comeback. It seems since Shinee was never considered that big of a group by SM, they have advantage when negotiating their contracts. But it proves a music career once out of SM is possible. Although I admit that the moments of their departure might have played in the way they left the company.

But it's understandable that Sooyoung is promoting in Japan since she was one of the most popular members there?

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If you think Jessica is the same as she was back then, then you actually haven't heard her sing live recently. She noticeably worse than Tiffany and Seohyun.

Prove it.

I think it's more like they ones that left are more intressting in acting or other things and not intressted in solos.

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Go listen to her singing outside of her home studio. You can find them here: youtube.com

So you don't have any evidence then that her singing ability has changed. Figured as much.

That is probably why we didn't heard a lot anymore of so many former artists of SM

Even the dudes who had been in TVXQ, except 1 are dead now and the one guy who is still a bit active only works in Japan

And Amber only releases English and Chinese music since she left SM, but IDK what shes doing now cause I am not following her anymore

I also heard people say that they hope if NCT oneday breaks up or more member have to leave, that they hope Yuta would return to Japan and become a JPop-artist instead (and I jokingly said once it would be funny if Yangyang signs to a German agency if he ever returns lol, would be too funny if he starts to have a German career)