People say Gallup Korea is one of the most reliable source for Kpop! THEY ARE WRONG!

Congrats BP and GD

This a Korean poll btw not an international poll whether you like it or not Bts And Bp Are k-pop legends.

There's already thread about this

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Gallup Korea’s 21st Century Survey

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Kitty_Saurus

Aug 28th 2024

You are so pressed about BP being in a "music" list.

David, you hate BP, not Korea. In fact, BP are well loved and appreciated in their home country and their music are a hit there.

Again, congrats BP!

u know kpop fans love to manipulate everything.just like streaming songs on repeat all day

Gallop tends to be a very reliable polling firm.

The list is obviously about success, not about who sings better, I think if you don't realize about this then don't even join the conversation. Considering that, the list makes perfect sense.

In general artists with massive fandoms might do slighty better than they should since there's that fandom that will vote blindly for them, but in this case I'd say LYW is the one that got the bigger boost, and BTS members in the soloists poll too.

To deny BTS as a group is the most important music act in korea's history at this point is completely ridiculous, it's not just about the impact of their music, but their international impact is acknowledged by koreans and it's something they're proud of. You can discuss that maybe IU or Cho Yong Pil for example could be higher than them, there're arguments and they all would make sense, but it's nothing surprising that BTS are #1.

Similar thing with BP but a step lower obviously, I've the feeling you don't realize about how important it is for koreans to see these artists doing that well worldwide, it's something they're proud of and they value these artists a lot because of this. Also of course the recent popularity of the artists can have some effect, it's not weird that you think first about an artist that was peaking 5 years ago and not the one peaking 15 years ago, and for the younger audience it's even worse, if they asked someone with 18 years old they're not going to vote Seo Taiji, but that's just common sense.

There's nothing perfect and that includes Gallup, but if we talk about the ranks we can see, Gallup is definitely one of the most accurated you can find, with some flaws yeah, but way way better than any voting of any show or award or anything you can find on Twitter

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Gallop tends to be a very reliable polling firm.

Seriously, what is this based on? Why do you think Gallup is a reliable source?

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No, they're not Legends. Being Mainstream is not the same as being a Legend! You're talking about KPOP, this is a list about KOREAN SINGERS in general!

In a Kpop list, I would put BTS in the TOP10 for sure, not as #1, but still. But not BP, because MUSIC wise they don't have ANYTHING to show.

Saying, BTS and Blackpink are on the same level as Living Legends like: Cho Yong Pil, Na Hoon Ah, Lee Mija, Seo Taeji is an absolute JOKE! I wouldn't put IU on the #1 spot if we include these people! These people are in this industry for like 3 or 4 times longer than any soloist or group on this list. This is what we call Legend, not a group with 30 songs!

They’re legends and Koreans agree like no one takes a random opinion from a foreigners the amount of essays isn’t going to change it so stop whining.

And they also criticize Koreans who believe in shamans, while they themselves believe in the reliability and validity of some surveys.

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And they also criticize Koreans who believe in shamans, while they themselves believe in the reliability and validity of some surveys.

Dude, this is Gallup, not kpop brand reputation

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gallup,_Inc.

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Gallup, Inc. is an American multinational analytics and advisory company based in Washington, D.C. Founded by George Gallup in 1935, the company became known for its public opinion polls conducted worldwide. Gallup provides analytics and management consulting to organizations globally.

ooh you're mad mad

Niceeeee

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There goes the foreigner argument from others! 😂

I don't understand? Yes, every country do polls, what's surprising about that?

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If it's about success, don't give it a name like: "The best singer".

And if it's about success, do we really think Blackpink is on the same level as the others in Korea? I don't think so, but that's another topic.

I'm not denying their influence and importance, but compared to the others on this list, they shouldn't be the #1. The whole list is messed up, because it's about SINGERS, yet you can see multiple groups in it as well.

Why BoA is not on that list as well, she literally saved SME from bankruptcy as a 14 years old girl! She's the main reason Kpop has the system that we know nowadays. THAT's the REAL impact, not becoming massively popular.

I wouldn't say, BTS's music had that big of an impact on the music industry. It's not like they're original, they're just another boy group like Bigbang, Shinee, HOT, Seo Taji or G.O.D, etc. They just more mainstream. And I say this while I like their music!

This is why I said, including BP on a list like this is basically an insult to the others. Sure, they are massive, but what did they do in Korea in the past couple of years? Nothing. They're basically a Western Pop group. I would TWICE above them IF I really need to pick another girl group. The sad reality of these lists is people think, popularity makes someone great and influential, not their talent and the quality of their work.

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The problem here is obvious, you're not using the same metrics as the 99% of the rest do, that's it.

I find perfectly fine if you think talent and quality are more important, but that's not how these things work, if that's the case we would probably have to put 10 nugus. Impact is not that, the impact is directly reflected on the popularity and success of the acts, like it or not it's what everybody understand as impact.

Your opinion is still respectable even though it's not the common one, but you should learn to respect the others too.

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Dude, this is Gallup, not kpop brand reputation

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gallup,_Inc.

I didn't say they were Korean, secondly, do you believe that if they are from the US, then they have a high level of reliability? Gallup's research methodology is long outdated, now it is completely irrelevant.

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Actually: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gallup_Korea

Too many gallups i didn't know they aren't the same. Both do polling and research tho.

So gallup korea is a part of

Gallup International Association - Wikipedia

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Too many gallups i didn't know they aren't the same. Both do polling and research tho.

So gallup korea is a part of

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wik…International_Association

It doesn't matter, it doesn't change the essence.

People live in the era of the Internet, where polls can be conducted on several million people, but of course someone thinks that the opinion of 1000 will reflect the mood of the entire population, this does not happen simply because it is extremely difficult to have accurate data based on only 0.0002%. The problem is that most likely these 1000 people were polled only in a couple of large cities of the country. In my country, polls are conducted every month, but these polls are conducted only in a couple of large cities where the mentality of people is different from others, different standards of living, different accessibility. Should we trust the results based on the more successful part of the population?

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I didn't say they were Korean, secondly, do you believe that if they are from the US, then they have a high level of reliability? Gallup's research methodology is long outdated, now it is completely irrelevant.

i made a mistake, ves posted the right link. and they aren't from the us. Do you feel better now? Are results more reliable?

You don't like the results, which means methodology is outdated lol

There are objective methods of rating the songs and critically acclaim albums but Music is still very much subjective! So take the results with the grain of salt since 99% of respondents are not professionals musicians or producers! And you are saying about legendary status and other stuff but Korean GP doesn’t know history of every single artist, so they just vote who they think are the best or legendary and you can’t do anything about it! And there will be recency bias and the age of respondents will affect to the overall result a lot!

You are simply over complicating this Poll! Nobody says that this is 100% legitimate and we don’t know how many people have participated in this poll or Gallup, but the list is more or less decent

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No, they're not Legends. Being Mainstream is not the same as being a Legend! You're talking about KPOP, this is a list about KOREAN SINGERS in general!

In a Kpop list, I would put BTS in the TOP10 for sure, not as #1, but still. But not BP, because MUSIC wise they don't have ANYTHING to show.

Saying, BTS and Blackpink are on the same level as Living Legends like: Cho Yong Pil, Na Hoon Ah, Lee Mija, Seo Taeji is an absolute JOKE! I wouldn't put IU on the #1 spot if we include these people! These people are in this industry for like 3 or 4 times longer than any soloist or group on this list. This is what we call Legend, not a group with 30 songs!

Who cares. Gallup is a survey. Survey is about popularity and recognition

You could be the best singer but if you and your songs are not popular who cares?

Also, if your faves had hits but fell off drastically, you cant fault the poll for forgetting them

Move on LMAO

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If it's about success, don't give it a name like: "The best singer".

it is a literal translate from korean which the meaning could be slightly different in the context. When people says best singers - it could mean the greatest artists too. Doesnt mean technically, can be due to their wide influence etc

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And if it's about success, do we really think Blackpink is on the same level as the others in Korea? I don't think so, but that's another topic.

This is why I said, including BP on a list like this is basically an insult to the others. Sure, they are massive, but what did they do in Korea in the past couple of years? Nothing. They're basically a Western Pop group. I would TWICE above them IF I really need to pick another girl group. The sad reality of these lists is people think, popularity makes someone great and influential, not their talent and the quality of their work.

Stay pressed over Blackpink's wider recognitions both in Korea and WW. No matter what you think, Blackpink has left a much greater impact to the kpop scene notwithstanding their little discography.

Twice was dominant in their first 2 years but they fell off drastically. Moreover, none of its members are staying relevant - Nayeon just flopped hard with comeback. No group can stay relevant like Blackpink and its individual members.

Mind you, Jennie had a #1 collab this year + Lisa had back to back songs hitting the top10 WW spotify. They are still the 2nd female group with most streams this year just slightly behind NJ. Not long ago Jisoo had one fo the most viral hit Flower and Rosé debut album crossed 800mil streams which is record breaking for Korean female soloist.

Stay mad. Maybe create your own poll if you dont like Gallup.

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They’re legends and Koreans agree like no one takes a random opinion from a foreigners the amount of essays isn’t going to change it so stop whining.

Nooo we only take opinions from allkpop user david33 seriously!

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I didn't say they were Korean, secondly, do you believe that if they are from the US, then they have a high level of reliability? Gallup's research methodology is long outdated, now it is completely irrelevant.

Who would you put in the list? NMIXX?

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Who would you put in the list? NMIXX?

Nobody, I would conduct a normal vote with the participation of more people and then draw some conclusions.