ADOR seeks US Court assistance against defamatory Youtuber (YT account now gone (AKP users pissed at this))

Awesome!

What is the name of youtube channel that they want to sue

I can't read the article, but if all this person did was "talk shit," then they're wasting their time and the court's. You need something much more substantial than that to nail an American, given our lenient free speech laws.

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What would count as substantial under US law?

They basically would have needed to either threaten them or cause provable damages through defamation.

From what I can see, it's actually a korean youtuber who streams to koreans.

It's likely a proxy thing that they're trying to get around

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They're not suing an American, the YouTuber is Korean

They're just trying to get information about the identity of the YouTuber from Google

In that case, I'm assuming Google has already told them "no" if they're going to the courts, presumably because they don't consider the matter important enough to breach the person's privacy.

And by doing so, Ador is protecting every girl group being attacked on that YouTube channel.

Hopefully Ador continues to set good examples for the rest of HYBE sub-labels to follow suit. Ador clearly cares about protecting NJs image, this is something I see lacking so much in HYBE.

Ador doing their job!

The bare minimum a lot of companies don't do

will this even work in the US. Genuine question.

Cuz like people more powerful and rich than NJ get slandered everyday. the first amendment right to free speech is paramount

Maybe if they’re able to prove loss of income or damages they may have a case but otherwise imo this is near impossible in the US.

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In that case, I'm assuming Google has already told them "no" if they're going to the courts, presumably because they don't consider the matter important enough to breach the person's privacy.

I mean there is precedent with Wonyoung, its going to be hard for a court to depart from that precedent because the situation is basically the same. Korean youtube channel, defamation towards a korean kpop group and wide variety of individual idols and google already gave that info out once.

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I mean there is precedent with Wonyoung, its going to be hard for a court to depart from that precedent because the situation is basically the same. Korean youtube channel, defamation towards a korean kpop group and wide variety of individual idols and google already gave that info out once.

Companies abide by local laws. It’s not a single precedence.

The country sets the precedence first. Sure Google can do something because they are a private entity but if they do this in the US and release people’s info cuz somebody’s feelings got hurt they’re gonna be sued for a lot more than anyone can imagine.

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What is the name of youtube channel that they want to sue

@middle7 - the content seems focused on criticising female idols

IMO they’re trying to scare that YouTube channel but if they’re in the US no one can do anything to them lol.

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but if they do this in the US and release people’s info cuz somebody’s feelings got hurt they’re gonna be sued for a lot more than anyone can imagine.

And who exactly could take Google to court and win?

Their fleet of corporate lawyers would crush underfoot anyone foolish enough to try

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Companies abide by local laws. It’s not a single precedence.

The country sets the precedence first. Sure Google can do something because they are a private entity but if they do this in the US and release people’s info cuz somebody’s feelings got hurt they’re gonna be sued for a lot more than anyone can imagine.

But didn't wonyoung do the exact same thing with google for Sojang? Starship went to the California district court to ask google to reveal who Sojang was, the court said yes, they got the ID and sued her. The only difference is Ador is going to the California federal courts, not district but the result should be the same because the base facts haven't changed, its still for the information on a Korean channel and as far as I know, neither have the Korean laws.

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And who exactly could take Google to court and win?

Their fleet of corporate lawyers would crush underfoot anyone foolish enough to try

You must not follow the news. lol.

And the government can’t even get companies like Google and Apple to fully give information during criminal investigations let alone defamation claims.

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And who exactly could take Google to court and win?

Their fleet of corporate lawyers would crush underfoot anyone foolish enough to try

Disney - I would pay good money to see those two armies of lawyers duke it out. And I bet the house of mouse comes out on top

But also the EU has done this multiple times, if they try to reveal someone from the EU, the ECHR would spank them good. This is a Korean account so should be fine and quick work

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You must not follow the news. lol.

And the government can’t even get companies like Google and Apple to fully give information during criminal investigations let alone defamation claims.

Lets be real, they can't even get them to pay their actual taxes

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But didn't wonyoung do the exact same thing with google for Sojang? Starship went to the California district court to ask google to reveal who Sojang was, the court said yes, they got the ID and sued her. The only difference is Ador is going to the California federal courts, not district but the result should be the same because the base facts haven't changed, its still for the information on a Korean channel and as far as I know, neither have the Korean laws.

I’m confused about jurisdiction, is it a Korean Channel based in Korea?

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You must not follow the news. lol.

And the government can’t even get companies like Google and Apple to fully give information during criminal investigations let alone defamation claims.

I can confirm I do indeed not keep track of corporate lawsuits. Care to expound?

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Disney - I would pay good money to see those two armies of lawyers duke it out. And I bet the house of mouse comes out on top

But also the EU has done this multiple times, if they try to reveal someone from the EU, the ECHR would spank them good. This is a Korean account so should be fine and quick work

Hasn't Disney been taking a lot of Ls and losses lately? I don't know about that one.

Either way, Disney suing Google and some random YouTuber are entirely different ballgames

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They're not suing an American, the YouTuber is Korean

They're just trying to get information about the identity of the YouTuber from Google

If Youtuber is a Korean and the idol is a minor and they said weird things, then it is possible to get the info. This is what happened with Ive.

Korean Defamation laws are different. In Korea if you publicly accuse a rapist of raping you, even if they did, they can sue you for defamation and will win. In Korea its normally a small fine. That Youtuber didn't show up to court, so just got slapped with a massive fine, but is now appealing.

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You must not follow the news. lol.

And the government can’t even get companies like Google and Apple to fully give information during criminal investigations let alone defamation claims.

"Apple shared customer data with US government in a record-high 90% of cases"

Apple shared customer data with US government in a record-high 90% of cases, even as Trump administration complains it's not doing enough

Apple is largely responsive to government requests for customer data, undercutting the Trump administration's efforts to paint it as uncooperative.

www.businessinsider.com

"U.S. government requests for Google user data up 510% since 2010"

U.S. government requests for Google user data up 510% since 2010, report says

The U.S. government has made more than 163,000 user data requests in 2019 alone.

mashable.com

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"Apple shared customer data with US government in a record-high 90% of cases"

https://www.businessinsider.co…ests-customer-data-2020-1

"U.S. government requests for Google user data up 510% since 2010"

https://mashable.com/article/g…overnment-user-data-study

The government has a backdoor to all cloud systems, for national security.

What yt channel is this even? I knew of sojang bc girl was everywhere, like my god

Is this like an account outside Korea?

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What yt channel is this even? I knew of sojang bc girl was everywhere, like my god

Is this like an account outside Korea?

it would have to be a korean youtuber since Korea's draconian defamation law has no legal standing outside of it's borders.

I guess this pretty much confirms the account owner is located in Korea because a defamation lawsuit based on "name calling and other mocking behavior" would get laughed out of a US court.

Koreans consider saying someone is untalented as defamation, while the US considers it defamation if you say the person has an STD and you can’t prove it.

I have no idea what the person said about Wonyoung, but unless it was seriously damaging, the person can easily win by asking for a jury trial. Most Americans would probably roll their eyes at things that seem to offend Koreans.

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Koreans consider saying someone is untalented as defamation, while the US considers it defamation if you say the person has an STD and you can’t prove it.

I have no idea what the person said about Wonyoung, but unless it was seriously damaging, the person can easily win by asking for a jury trial. Most Americans would probably roll their eyes at things that seem to offend Koreans.

Discovery, in the law of common law jurisdictions, is a phase of pretrial procedure in a lawsuit in which each party, through the law of civil procedure, can obtain evidence from other parties by means of methods of discovery such as interrogatories, requests for production of documents.

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Discovery, in the law of common law jurisdictions, is a phase of pretrial procedure in a lawsuit in which each party, through the law of civil procedure, can obtain evidence from other parties by means of methods of discovery such as interrogatories, requests for production of documents.

I know what discovery is.

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I know what discovery is.

Great!