Knetz Wonder What NCT DREAM Did This Year To Win A Dasaeng Over NEWJEANS & IVE...?

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do you think nct dream deserved the daesang award?

they just won the record of the year award at mma!!

likeastarr

Dec 2nd 2023

People have already discussed about it

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BOY GROUPS CHARTS (@kbgcharts)

Top 10 Best-selling Male Group on Circle Chart in 2023 (January~September)

1. #SEVENTEEN - 10,340,155

2. #StrayKids - 6,438,891

3. #NCTDREAM - 4,918,271

4. #TXT - 3,837,348

5. #ZEROBASEONE - 2,034,594

6. #TREASURE - 2,004,204

7. #ENHYPEN - 1,910,997

8. #EXO — 1,900,343

ISTJ

Format: 3rd Full Album

Release Date: July 17th, 2023

Certification: 3x Million by KMCA

2x Platinum by KMCA (Nemo)

Platinum by KMCA (SMC)

1st Day Sales (Hanteo): 1,162,081 copies sold

1st Week Sales (Hanteo): 3,652,897 copies sold

1st Month Sales (Circle): 3,744,507 copies sold

Total Sales in South Korea (Circle): 4,453,398 copies sold

Best-selling Female Group on Circle Chart in 2023 (January~September)

#NewJeans — 4,277,784 copies

#aespa — 2,229,645 copies

#TWICE — 2,171,362 copies

#LE_SSERAFIM — 1,956,473 copies

#NMIXX — 1,885,898 copies

#IVE — 1,853,976 copies

⁠gidle — 1,441,081 copies

#ITZY — 1,371,546 copies

#STAYC — 795,342 copies

#BLACKPINK — 649,859 copies

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so nct dream sold slightly more copies.. and that's it?? It's called MELON music awards btw

Quote from xx-jenn-xx

Well let's compare

BOY GROUPS CHARTS (@kbgcharts)

Top 10 Best-selling Male Group on Circle Chart in 2023 (January~September)

1. #SEVENTEEN - 10,340,155

2. #StrayKids - 6,438,891

3. #NCTDREAM - 4,918,271

4. #TXT - 3,837,348

5. #ZEROBASEONE - 2,034,594

6. #TREASURE - 2,004,204

7. #ENHYPEN - 1,910,997

8. #EXO — 1,900,343

ISTJ

Format: 3rd Full Album

Release Date: July 17th, 2023

Certification: 3x Million by KMCA

2x Platinum by KMCA (Nemo)

Platinum by KMCA (SMC)

1st Day Sales (Hanteo): 1,162,081 copies sold

1st Week Sales (Hanteo): 3,652,897 copies sold

1st Month Sales (Circle): 3,744,507 copies sold

Total Sales in South Korea (Circle): 4,453,398 copies sold

Best-selling Female Group on Circle Chart in 2023 (January~September)

#NewJeans — 4,277,784 copies

#aespa — 2,229,645 copies

#TWICE — 2,171,362 copies

#LE_SSERAFIM — 1,956,473 copies

#NMIXX — 1,885,898 copies

#IVE — 1,853,976 copies

⁠gidle — 1,441,081 copies

#ITZY — 1,371,546 copies

#STAYC — 795,342 copies

#BLACKPINK — 649,859 copies

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It’s Melon award not MAMA, albums don’t even count otherwise SVT would’ve won.

New Jeans/Seventeen should have won imo. No shade to NCT dream because I like them, it's just that I feel like New Jeans deserved the record of the year more.

Quote from xx-jenn-xx

Well let's compare

BOY GROUPS CHARTS (@kbgcharts)

Top 10 Best-selling Male Group on Circle Chart in 2023 (January~September)

1. #SEVENTEEN - 10,340,155

2. #StrayKids - 6,438,891

3. #NCTDREAM - 4,918,271

4. #TXT - 3,837,348

5. #ZEROBASEONE - 2,034,594

6. #TREASURE - 2,004,204

7. #ENHYPEN - 1,910,997

8. #EXO — 1,900,343

ISTJ

Format: 3rd Full Album

Release Date: July 17th, 2023

Certification: 3x Million by KMCA

2x Platinum by KMCA (Nemo)

Platinum by KMCA (SMC)

1st Day Sales (Hanteo): 1,162,081 copies sold

1st Week Sales (Hanteo): 3,652,897 copies sold

1st Month Sales (Circle): 3,744,507 copies sold

Total Sales in South Korea (Circle): 4,453,398 copies sold

Best-selling Female Group on Circle Chart in 2023 (January~September)

#NewJeans — 4,277,784 copies

#aespa — 2,229,645 copies

#TWICE — 2,171,362 copies

#LE_SSERAFIM — 1,956,473 copies

#NMIXX — 1,885,898 copies

#IVE — 1,853,976 copies

⁠gidle — 1,441,081 copies

#ITZY — 1,371,546 copies

#STAYC — 795,342 copies

#BLACKPINK — 649,859 copies

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Actually pretty wild they only outsold NJ by that much. Thought it'd be by like 3+ mill. Actually makes it seem more absurd they won when you factor in the difference with digitals/overall impact.

They did have best digital points after IVE and NewJeans going by this count. But they shouldn't have ended the award show on what is ostensibly utilized as the bronze medal this year.

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BG's never get a lot of digitals, so it's really confusing on how they even base the criteria for the winners.

not trying to start anything but if the awards are based on digitals alone bg's would never win, because the digitals lately are never there.

It's based on overall achievements. So it's not decided by digitals only. Also, the difference in sales is not that big for it to make sense that nct dream won, especially since it's melon. Are you saying nct dream should get the award out of pity?

This is like asking why Taeyeon doesn't receive the Best Female Idol Vocal performance award every year from awards that have that category when she's so vocally talented.

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This is like asking why Taeyeon doesn't receive the Best Female Idol Vocal performance award every year from awards that have that category when she's so vocally talented.

Hehehe, goood shade I've always asked myself that to be honest. Without a doubt she's one of, if not the best female vocalist in kpop. Only Wendy, Hyolin etc can rival her. She came from one of the most influential groups in kpop. Her solo career is so high quality. What is missing?

Do not fight over this award. It's literally a 5 year old award decided on by the judges that has zero criteria. It was clearly created as a "daesang" they could choose to give to groups who don't hit on any of the criteria to win the actual daesangs.

The real disrespect is them being the last award of the night and closing out the show over NewJeans who won both Song of the Year and Artist of the Year.

Hi,

Whew. There was a lot to unpack in what I watched.

A couple of things, and it deadass was puzzling to me...

- Why was a special award 100% decided on by Judges the final award? Shouldn't it be SOTY, AOTY or ALOTY?

IVE or NJ should've gone last right? What was that?

- Shameful that IVE and NJ got the black ocean from the crowd when they were doing their speeches.

That was pathetic, and typical in the patriarchal and sexist society that exists in SK - don't @me either, you know that sh1ts bad over there (and everywhere for that matter).

Btw, just my .02 - don't boy groups sell more because they have more album versions and generally have a more rabid fanbase? If we're talking about physical sales, NCT released 28 versions and over 600 photo cards. What is this fckin Pokemon?!?

NJ and IVE did not match that version number instead those ladies did extremely well on charting and streaming. On overall impact alone, those two groups were much more deserving and each had a stronger case to win in that "Special Award" 100% decided by Judges. Judges made it cheap and a participation award. WTF was all that?

One last thing - isn't Korea going through a huge trash problem right now anyway? Folks are discarding physicals to get the photo cards. They need to chill the fck out - FRFR.

-knysom

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Never did i insinuate anything about pity. Im saying if album sales for the year were the criteria they were ahead of them.

However, since im informed its not based on just album dales, I DONT KNOW the full judging criteria, and i simply said that bg's usually do not do well in digitals, its a fact.

Never said shit about pity.

To me it sounded like that so that's why I asked but I understand now

It's all good

Told u so

But it's always fuck me when I told the true

Nobody take NCT wins seriously and it's all bc of sm doing, that will be their legacy