Posts by Epyon-556

Quote from Wateris

Ador is asking a very important question, "why is Hybe so determined to make everything public when this entire situation could have been handled privately?"

Hybe felt it serious and needs to be public for a reason, and we will eventually get to the bottom of it.

Because the document they obtained said Ador was gonna unleash a media war in May. They responded by launching their own sloppier media war in April. And two wrongs don't make a right but one wrong definitely also doesn't make a right.

No one is denying this document existed, the only defense is that he was joking. How compelling you find that is up to you.

I'll add Mina, Jennie, Chaeryeong, Yeji and Yuna (Itzy).

Quote from Tatiana1820

Well you can't compare 5050 and this Hybe/MHJ case either so what. If i remember well, the producer was proven in the wrong in 5050 case. Not in this case. Yet at last.

It's just to point out that you can win in case of mistreatment. Actually it's legal to do so Tvxq or not.

Times have changed. And so has the industry. I'm pretty sure NJ girls will get great deals in other agencies if set free. And that even if mhj is in a noncompete.

Why would they want to stay in a compagny that neglects and abuses them?? Makes no sense.

Also I'm fairly sure Bang dont have the power to blacklist someone like MHJ. Because if NJ leaves they are probably gonna reunite with mhj if she if free from HER slave contract.

MHJ is not Tvxq. She has power and connections. If Bang goes to far, im pretty sure she will take him down with her specially if she is not tide to hybe anymore.

Also if free she is very likely to get a rich and powerful investor.

So shhhhh.

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But the type of abuse/mistreatment those people filed for had everything to do with their actual management. NJ you are allegeding was treated extremely well but not giving the same attention in the greater business strategy of the company as other ggs, not really a precedent for freeing them from their contract for that alone.

Quote from uwuwu-98

I just want to point out, regarding MHJ mentioning "Sakura" and not "LSFM" which is not the most important thing discussed here but a pretty obvious one imo.

1. If that's the worst thing people can say about the press conference it's definitely a win for MHJ lol.

2. It's not that weird she mentioned Sakura, the whole point of debuting LSFM was to debut her. I'm completely sure before the group debuted everybody in that company was talking about Sakura Sakura and Sakura and not LSFM, they were used to it, it's not weird that in a heat moment spontaneously she worded it like that. She was the one that basically guaranteed success in Japan and even touring there, obviously after the group debuted and became popular, which is what we saw these last 2 years, our point of view is different, but before that the whole issue was to debut her, we could have some doubts before but after seeing how things work backstages and how they even talk with each other it's obvious.

Like I said some days ago in the other thread, people have SERIOUS problems to empathize and put themselves in other positions, it's even a bit worrying, that situation is completely normal.

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I'm not saying it's most important or worst thing in the summit but I don't think you can say has nothing to say about the girls then how innocent they are when she quotes herself cursing about Sakura specifically. You can't expect every reader to have such a charitable interpretation.

Quote from Tatiana1820

no. she just said sakura and chaewon weren't up her standarts and ultimatly didn’t suit her concept. but bang was insisting for them to be part of mhjs gg. but she was very against that. not on a personal level but as a producer with a specific vision.

I'm talking about the second time she mentioned her.

"'When the hell can we start promoting NewJeans? The reason that we separated the company was because they broke the promise and debuted Sakura first.' I went on 'You Quiz [on the Block]' because this was what I wanted to say.

There was no reason to single out Sakura here. Other then to fan flames and bring attention to the story but again, can't blame people for that this tactic worked.

Quote from Tatiana1820

Are you talking to me??

Anyway for the 1000000000 time, she said the girls are innocent. She only critised their directors .

and that 3 days character assasitation obviously did impact her. she understood. maybe it was their way to get rid of her for good. (allegedly even physically and disguise it as suicide.)

I personally think that the original conference took a whole another dimension and intensity after these 3 days even tho it was probably pretty heavy in the first place because she said this problems started from the start, since 2019.

I think she was literally fighting for her life. and she specified that she never intened to kill herself as well. she was gonna fight them til the end.

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Cursing about Sakura in particular getting to debut first gives the impression that you have a problem with Sakura in particular rather then just another gg in general then the one you have been prepping for debut in particular. Can't expect everyone to give her the benefit of the doubt on that.

Quote from Flowercrew

Hybe is not jyp/sm/YG though. Why compare it to them?

Njs are an upcoming on trend gg with "potential" to hit it big with Hybe's support. I admit that. But within Hybe's group, their company contributed the least.

It's not just about net gain per label. Hybe is incredibly new and New Jeans one of their first major successes. The general public know a lot better who New Jeans are then from Fromis_9. There's no reason to just let them go because MHJ can't be worked with anyone.

Quote from draggehz

not trying to defend mhj the pedophilia stuff is actually very very evident and weird but how is not wanting to debut older idols misogynistic and anti women

When they acquired Source Yunjin at 17 was not too old, if anything Minji at 14 was too young by the reckoning of anyone other then ex-SM executive.

Quote from paradis

Public opinion can change overnight, we know how fickle Korean gp is, my point is if the court absolves her she can always set up a new label with investors. I do not doubt for a minute that she does have investors interested. So all I am saying is the only thing that is stopping her is the legal hurdle and if she emerges victorious from that she can set her own label and get investments. This is a post- verdict scenario that I am talking about. Ofc the establishment of her own label will be delayed due to the legal cases going on for a year or so since she will have a lot of things she will have to fight Hybe for, from her termination to her taking NJNS along and their IP, to her non-compete clause and most importantly the case filed by Hybe on her. It will be an arduous process.

Now that they filed criminal charges against MHJ for breach of trust any dreams of using her position of CEO to get the New Jeans members out of their contracts prematurely should be extinquished. She'd only be making Hybe's case for them.

Quote from icyruios

So what's new?

Quote from Jeop

WAIT

BHS suddenly decided that NewJeans wouldn't work and brought Sakura and Chaewon (2 members of Izone) to Source to make Le Sserafim.

The overall training period for that was around 6 months, for a debut in may 2022.

Ive debuted in December 2021, 6 months before Le Sserafim, with 2 members of Izone on the roster.

L O L

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Yunjin needed to be brought back from the states and Eunchae and Kazuha are brandnew.

Quote from prodigy210

Also do yall actually have a problem with mhj bringing up new jeans or do you have problem with them being brought with their support of mhj.

It hybe came out and said that new jeans were extremely hurt by mhj betrayl or that they were crying about what she tried to do would yall actually care at all.

Or do yall care because they support mhj while yall create theories on how evil and unhinged she is to the point where the only way someone could supprt her is by being manipulated.

I rather dislike them being brought up altogether. Minji and Hanni appeared in BTS' Permission MV. They may have less of an image of BTS' dongseang group then TXT, but they still have it and benefitted from it. You don't want to create the perception that they are the ones feuding with Hybe and 'had no intention of allowing anyone to promote themselves using phrases like ‘NewJeans’ dongsaeng group'. They have to perform at festivals and awards show in front of crowds that are 90% Armies again one day. That's how you get black oceans.

Quote from SleepingGiant

I vaguely remember there being a Survival Show in the past that did the whole Haves and Have nots thing

And I think it was a lot more harsh, like only having access to the practice room really late at night

Was it Sixteen?

Yeah, Sixteen had Majors that could practice from 9 in the morning till 9 in the evening and Minors that had opposite hours.

most places presum it means they are continuing their ongoing world tour RTB with Japan dates, not starting another one this year.

Quote from paradis

How is Hybe getting her convo with shaman? How is that possible...anyone understanding how they are doing it? It would have been a one on one convo between her and the shaman or was it on emails or something sent by her from Hybe computers?

Probably on a device she needed to submit for the audit.

Quote from LCJK

But I don’t get it, aren’t all the NJ members from SouMu? Why she said she only picked Minji?

Minji was already there when Bang bought Source Music. The other 3 found in BigHit Auditions MHJ held. They still did their subsequent training with Source trainee group as Ador didn't exist yet. Hyein is the newest and may have only ever been in Ador.

Using her position as Ador's CEO to terminate their contracts then quit herself and hire them for her own label would so clearly abuse of the resources Hybe placed at her disposal it would never happen that smoothly, they'd in court for years.

Quote from David33

I don't want to read 80 pages, but did you see this? If this is actually true, NewJeans lost for sure. I don't care if Tokkis will hate me for saying this, but the girls should just shut up and don't take sides.

AGAIN! IF this is true and not some fake edit or as an inside joke or whatever. Even if it's a joke, the timing is not great.

The fact that this comes from Hyein (my fave NJ member) is even worse. I hope they won't do anything, they can lose their entire career.

https://www.allkpop.com/articl…s-amid-hybe-ador-conflict

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It's about haerin copying her clothes.

Quote from prodigy210

But if a fan no longer enjoys their music and concepts whats the point. When gfriend went into a different direction i wished them the best but no longer supported them afraid same will happen again to new jeans for me.

It's a lot to ask for the people that wrote, arranged and composed Hype Boy and all the rest of the songs to forever walk away from Hybe and all the labels, groups and connections it represents just to follow MHJ whereever she goes, seeing is believing on that one.

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I’ve had it with these delusional tokkis. Enough is enough! How can you be so misguided to think NJ would survive let alone succeed without MHJ!? After 2018 Red Velvet’s quality dropped DRASTICALLY, have you not learnt anything?. She’s the life and blood of NJ and there’s no way around it. If you disagree then you’re just another incompetent HYBE / success stan

Red Velvet is still exists, regardless of whether you like any other their post 2018 work. The survival of the other SM groups she worked on didn't end up depending on her continued involvement either. Thinking New Jeans would survive without her just like everyone else in the industry survives without her is hardly delusional.