Posts by Epyon-556

Damn, you cut a bloke's umbilical cord, you'd think they'd be loyal but nah.

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i dont get why yuri becomes a soloist

she would FLOURISH in a girl group

More singing, less dancing, less splitting the profits, makes sense to me.

New peak at 38 today.

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LMAO you do know gidle aren't just a group you can dismiss and put your favs next to them?

gidle came from a smaller company and it took them years to finally chart

and last year they managed to block IU!!!! title song from getting her another number one

they also won a daesang for that song, something lsf will never have and dont mention that fradulent bought award for performance of the year or something from a ceremony no one cares about or takes seriously

and ofc they won't have the same numbers on spotify when they don't have company stans or token stanning armies using them to hate on other groups. lsf couldn't even chart on hot 100 or get those spotfy numbers obviously boosted by playlists, that gidle don't have, till hybe decided they want to replace nj with illit and fatman was bothered by nj success over his own produced group.

lsf never had that kind of recognition big 3 and gidle have. their songs never charted like that and perfect night doesn't count at all. drama outcharted them in the end and it didn't even show up on any korean rankings.

so their biggest korean song is anti fragile, the same year they debuted.

like what's the use of spotify stats if you can't even have a proper world tour and just go to asia and america?

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Why does Perfect Night not count? It got #1 of Circle, it was #1 for weeks on Melon. Could you please specify what Korean rankings you are looking at?

Also Crazy and Easy definitely did make it on Top 100.

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I have stated my reason for picking those metrics.

Your faves most be faring badly on those, for you to have the objection,

You can join CaraFIMIE in their mourning of LSF doing badly in this release.

As to self certifying yourself, that's the worst possible metric.

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Their Melon daily chart ranking hasn't platued yet by any stretch of imagination. It's really far too early to say how they ultimately did by the metrics you value.

PS4, PS5, Steam, Epic, GOG Galaxy.

I liked Christian Bale most in the part.

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Only comment I have is do people know that Spotify is only about 25% of international listeners?

Using Spotify for a short hand for "intl metrics" is incredibly, incredibly flawed, not even getting into autoplay and playlisting which boosts streams.

I've got no qualms if people want to talk internationally, but you need to talk about ALL international, not a very narrow set of criteria that matches your narrative. That, right now, is LSF fans who bring up Spotify (which Hybe makes a very specific effort with extra "tools" to assist) but ignore how strong some of the top groups are in non spotify countries, and/or on Youtube Music, which has a different demographic and geographical spread.

Do LSF have some clout internationally? Certainly. But going "oh they did x on spotify" doesn't take into account massive listening countries who use other platforms, foremost being China, Spotify doesn't have anywhere near the penetration in Europe it has in USA, and as I said, if a company specifically uses, let's call them, "promotional tools" - that should be weighed in.

You don't count Youtube Ad views on Youtube for obvious reasons when comparing metrics. So why are we not taking into account Spotify Discovery and Spotify playlisting the same way?

That''s the only question i want answered. Why is it complete radio silence whenever that topic is broached. Everytime someone brings this up suddenly people who couldn't shut up about international listeners are suddenly mute.

FWIW - I think LSF is still the same tier as the Aespa/IVE/Idle/NJ. I dont' support the OP's claim. But LSF fans, if you want to have this discussion, you need to get far smarter about this.

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Well this might make for a more measured perspective on Europe. Official Independent Singles Chart at least claim they take info from Apple Music, Amazon, Spotify, YouTube, HMV, Tesco, Asda, Morrisons, Google Play, Deezer, Napster, Bandcamp, Bleep, Juno, Musicglue, Sandbag, Townsend "and hundreds of independent record shops like Rough Trade, Banquet Records, Piccadilly Records, and video retailers."

Still HOT made it on there at #37 this week.

Has QWER sold over a million albums? That's one of your requirements for A tier too right?

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maybe people overestimate how high the bar is set to violate the contract terms.

If the groups gets the best investment, the highst payments and the best market ratings maybe thats all the company have to provide. If MHJ or another CEO or a staff members talk badly about a group that either wont matter at all or in the worst case will only lead to Ador have to replace the CEO or staff member.

Usually if there are personal issues you go the the HR and not the public. Maybe the court have viewed the conversations with HR and think the company have done everything in their ability to try and solve the issues. or they didnt went to the HR but directly to the public and the court may even hold it against them.

There are so many things we dont know and can only speculate. So we just have to wait till the court ends and tea will finally spilled.

I guess the bar is too high, just don't see how a judge can say that ADOR is capable of providing a creative director to replace MHJ but also say there is no significant lapse in activity after MHJ's departure (when they cancelled their full album and world tour until they scoured the Earth for an indefinite amount of time for a new creative director).

To say that there hasn't been a irreparable loss of trust is even wilder, whether you side with Ador or NJZ a lots happened to destroy the trust between the group and their company required for normal working conditions.

Enjoy!

Quote from Disevidence

Only comment I have is do people know that Spotify is only about 25% of international listeners?

Using Spotify for a short hand for "intl metrics" is incredibly, incredibly flawed, not even getting into autoplay and playlisting which boosts streams.

I've got no qualms if people want to talk internationally, but you need to talk about ALL international, not a very narrow set of criteria that matches your narrative. That, right now, is LSF fans who bring up Spotify (which Hybe makes a very specific effort with extra "tools" to assist) but ignore how strong some of the top groups are in non spotify countries, and/or on Youtube Music, which has a different demographic and geographical spread.

Do LSF have some clout internationally? Certainly. But going "oh they did x on spotify" doesn't take into account massive listening countries who use other platforms, foremost being China, Spotify doesn't have anywhere near the penetration in Europe it has in USA, and as I said, if a company specifically uses, let's call them, "promotional tools" - that should be weighed in.

You don't count Youtube Ad views on Youtube for obvious reasons when comparing metrics. So why are we not taking into account Spotify Discovery and Spotify playlisting the same way?

That''s the only question i want answered. Why is it complete radio silence whenever that topic is broached. Everytime someone brings this up suddenly people who couldn't shut up about international listeners are suddenly mute.

FWIW - I think LSF is still the same tier as the Aespa/IVE/Idle/NJ. I dont' support the OP's claim. But LSF fans, if you want to have this discussion, you need to get far smarter about this.

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It's too early to see how inorganic the Youtube views for HOT, Know About me and Bebe are. In general though going by youtube views 2024 or later GIDLE/LSF>>NMIXX>>>StayC

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1. the court outright ruled the contract was still effective until the final verdict said otherwise. So, they definitely have to go back to Ador.

The injunction is on independent activity. They cannot operate in the entertainment industry outside of ADOR.

That does not equate to they have to go back to ADOR.

The concert is already scheduled and it is so soon after the ruling that to prevent damage to fans they'll go through with it as NewJeans. This may yet prove to be the exception to the rule.

The court did not put an injunction on not living their life accordingly to ADOR's instruction in general. They don't have to go back. They just can't work as public figures a where else.

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Nah.. I prefer Circle Digital Chart

Perfect Night did go #1 on Circle Digital Chart though?

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I am glad she is fine. But the success of a musical act is not by what they personally bought, or in comparison with the incomes of others, those are all peripheral. After people can very well do other professions and achieve such things.

What matters, is the how did their songs do on the charts? In case of K-pop, particularly the Digital charts - YT/Melon etc.,

Or internationally Billboard.

Aren't chart rankings comparisons to how they do compared to other songs as well? Why do fans need to know musicians destroyed other musicians digitally but nothing else?

If you like a song your artist put out, great, if you don't like it I'd argue that knowing they did well financially is a better consolation then knowing they did better digitally.

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"sustainable" is not really the thing, right. "successful" is what fans would want for any artist.

And in the current industry trends, Solos without a group fandom are not being successful.

At best Taeyeon.

OR they need huge acting boost.

Even IU - well she is an exception in S.K, but it is Hotel Del Luna which massively increased her reach in the West. Same with Sejeong - Business proposal, made a huge difference to her.

I don't think Squid Games will help Yuri much, it is not the best genre to highlight non-leads, too ensemble, but if it happens, then good for her.

In any case, I don't see non-group soloists thriving much, they will have an occasional high and be 'sustainable'.

It will be only SolUnits, subunit of 1 member leveraging active group fandoms, passing as soloists.

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Yena has bought a house, her parents a house and a car with her earnings. Comparatively her labelmates in Everglow who she trained with cannot earn a single dime between the six of them. I think she's fine successwise.

ADOR is considered an independent company from Hybe when it comes to whether anyone in NewJeans' management leaked promotional material, predebut photos, VISA information ectera, because only Hybe with whom NewJeans doesn't have any kind of business relationship that Hybe needs to be held accountable for did that stuff. As long as they can prove that ADOR and Hybe really do operate as one business entity when it comes to the management of their group they should have a case in April.

in both charting and physicals LSF is still far above StayC.

Quote from SooYoung

well the if they don't want to comeback it their choice

but then it would have been better to just pay the penalty fees and avoid this big mess

cuz if they lose in court :

• they'll be consider to still be in Ador
• force to pay for ADOR cost of lawsuit based on the article 98 of the civil procedure Act of korea " Costs of a lawsuit shall be borne by the losing party"
• force to pay compensation damage for the harm suffer by Ador cuz of NJ members especially the harm on their reputation that this whole mess created (article 750 of civil act korea)

and then they'll have to pay the penalty fees of the contract if they want to leave Ador completely

if they potentially lose the trial, NJ members would have suffer less lose if they just paid the penalty fees from the start

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There is no "just pay the penalty fees" option. Penalty fees are determined at court. If there was an amount to pay to avoid the legal mess everyone would do it. Kris and Luhan were backed by massive Chinese companies when they left, they wouldn't have been stuck to court cases for years if there was a sum to be paid to be free from SM, same with many others.

The options are stay with Ador for the remainder of their contract, a potentially years long court case with potential penalty fees at the end or what they are doing now.

Fingers crossed for LSF's HOT first win today