All the money lsfrm is making going to lawyers to leep applying for this trademark at this point
Do they want this trademark just for pettyness? They disbanded the group themselves, for what are they still interessed 
Do they want this trademark just for pettyness? They disbanded the group themselves, for what are they still interessed
I don't know I'm LSM not Hitman Bang!!!
everybody at SME loves me and we don't treat former artists like crap
They've fallen too far, might as well double the effort and keep them up
Payback
They shd give up atp at give it them. This reflects badly on the company and incur more damage. Karma can happen.
Whats with this shitass company. Can we Not boycott them as Orbits do with bbc?
Like what kind of people buy their stuff?
Wow, 17 times? Just stop it Source Music, it's embarrassing. 
Whats with this shitass company. Can we Not boycott them as Orbits do with bbc?
Like what kind of people buy their stuff?
I mean orbite really did the first ever successful kpop boycott
Whats with this shitass company. Can we Not boycott them as Orbits do with bbc?
Like what kind of people buy their stuff?
fearnots have no reason to boycott source...
I love it, love it, love it, ice loveade~ 
Orbits deserve the highest Respect for finally start to stop those Terrorists.
fearnots have no reason to boycott source...
Ah, its lsfm company.
OK, than better pray source learned from the gfriend debacle. Honestly it dont seem like they did.
Didnt they do the same to Garam allready? So please dont complain when in a few years your faves will receive the same treatment from source.
Right now, you pay source the money they use to harass viviz. If you think you have a valid reasons to support that, just keep going.
Ah, its lsfm company.
OK, than better pray source learned from the gfriend debacle. Honestly it dont seem like they did.
Didnt they do the same to Garam allready? So please dont complain when in a few years your faves will receive the same treatment from source.
Right now, you pay source the money they use to harass viviz. If you think you have a valid reasons to support that, just keep going.
firstly they did try to defend garam, but netizens couldn't seem to accept that mistakes people made in middle school don't always reflect them currently. honestly removing her from lesserafim saved her from more harassment than keeping her in the group indefinitely would have. knets especially were never going to let go of the sexual stuff and would have continued sexually harassing a minor and then a young woman over the internet for her entire career.
anyway, i don't think source is a good company. im not trying to defend them (i just think there was no "right" thing to do with garam). but i originally thought you were insinuating that lesserafim fans should boycott source, when the group is literally at a very good place in their career.
i also think y'all are grossly overestimating how much it costs to trademark something. you don't even need a lawyer per se and hybe probably already has legal people on payroll. it can cost as little as $250 to try to trademark something. if anything they're using hybe resources rather than fearnots money directly. anyway, i do think they are stupid to try to trademark gfriends stuff this long after the fact and i feel sorry for the members.
Ah, its lsfm company.
OK, than better pray source learned from the gfriend debacle. Honestly it dont seem like they did.
Didnt they do the same to Garam allready? So please dont complain when in a few years your faves will receive the same treatment from source.
Right now, you pay source the money they use to harass viviz. If you think you have a valid reasons to support that, just keep going.
yeh... this is disturbing.
It does seem like LsF is mostly run by Source and NOT Hybe. I think the business model is that Hybe provides the resources to Pleidis, Source, Ador, Belift, etc but doesnt directly get involved with managing the groups.
And given Source's track record of how they've handled Glam, Gfriend and the Garam debacle, Source has only shown that they excel at being incompetent.
Hybe stans should really worry that Source is the one managing their so called "Label Girl Group". LsF gained attention because they were "under hybe" - Source didnt have anything to do with it - but if you look at Le Sserafim's content - Source is spending an EXORBITANT amount of money on the girls - more than all the rookie girls combined - they're showering the girls with luxury hotels, trips to jeju, making content after content that rents whole buildings, etc.
Source has spent more money on Le sserafim than Bighit has spent on BTS in 2022 - and i highly doubt the girls are making anywhere near BTS money. I could see why Source was 20 million in debt by the time HYBE bought them.
idk. maybe they do have Hitman bang's blessings to spend this much- who really knows - but even then it's a very bad business model - to spend more than what you make. it's basic math. And i do get WHY they're doing this - it's that old business gamble - to make more u have to spend more cliche - but that only works when and if you know what u're doing. Source has proven they don't - they never have. they have no experience in making a profit by spending.
it's not sustainable w/o bts money . and when things start to go south, we all know what Source does. they throw the members under the bus.
firstly they did try to defend garam, but netizens couldn't seem to accept that mistakes people made in middle school don't always reflect them currently. honestly removing her from lesserafim saved her from more harassment than keeping her in the group indefinitely would have. knets especially were never going to let go of the sexual stuff and would have continued sexually harassing a minor and then a young woman over the internet for her entire career.
actually, Source didnt "try to defend Garam".
They put out a statement that they'd investigate it, and even when they knew Garam was innocent, when push came to shove, they folded like a cheap suit and threw her away like they threw away Gfriend. They did this when they knew all the facts of the case.
Garam is STILL being harassed simply because Source didnt "try to defend" her at all.
and in what world is standing up for your friend in middle school a "mistake"???
actually, Source didnt "try to defend Garam".
They put out a statement that they'd investigate it, and even when they knew Garam was innocent, when push came to shove, they folded like a cheap suit and threw her away like they threw away Gfriend. They did this when they knew all the facts of the case.
Garam is STILL being harassed simply because Source didnt "try to defend" her at all.
and in what world is standing up for your friend in middle school a "mistake"???
no, their first statement said they they heard garam's side and that SHE was the one that was bullied. and people got more upset at that statement. idk who you think you're trying to misrepresent history too lol. i was there. i read the statements. and i still think it was for the best she was removed from the group. nothing they would have done would have stopped the scale of harassment. thats just a fact. you can't sue all of korea.
also the truth of the situation was that garam still fought and still had inappropriate pictures out online. im not blaming her for the situation but she did get in trouble with school and her school records coming out is what solidified the scandal. im not sure why you're coming at me with this when i am clearly on her side. i think how she was treated was terrible. whether from sorce or anyone else. but again, NOTHING source would have done would have been deemed "good" or gotten them "kudos" from fans. im smart enough to see that.
serve them right
yeah, but i think that sentiment was mostly ifans. kfans would have never let it go. even when the whole situation was revealed with the person posting a naked picture of garam's friend, knets were just like "the other person was wrong but so was garam". koreans stay bringing up old ass scandals 10 years later so.
Do you think a hiatus until 2023 could have worked, while keeping on pushing the truth
i don't know. i honestly think lesserafim would still be doing well even if she was still in the group. i just think she still would have gotten mean comments. but then again, everyone does
no, their first statement said they they heard garam's side and that SHE was the one that was bullied. and people got more upset at that statement. idk who you think you're trying to misrepresent history too lol. i was there. i read the statements. and i still think it was for the best she was removed from the group. nothing they would have done would have stopped the scale of harassment. thats just a fact. you can't sue all of korea.
. im not blaming her for the situation but she did get in trouble with school and her school records coming out is what solidified the scandal. im not sure why you're coming at me with this when i am clearly on her side. i think how she was treated was terrible. whether from sorce or anyone else. but again, NOTHING source would have done would have been deemed "good" or gotten them "kudos" from fans. im smart enough to see that.
you're referring to the first HYBE statement in april. im referring to FIRST SOURCE full statement made in May regarding her hiatus.
I get the feeling HYBE did initially want to defend garam, but since Source were the ones that ultimately manages the girls, they over ruled HYBE. who knows - also the narrative and wording is completely different when it came from HYBE vs Source.
also the truth of the situation was that garam still fought and still had inappropriate pictures out online
also, Garam didnt fight or release any inappropriate pictures of anyone. she CONFRONTED the girl who released online the inappropriate pictures of her friend.
it's amazing pple still think it was Garam who released those inappropriate picturse online
also the truth of the situation was that garam still fought and still had inappropriate pictures out online.
but since u facepalmed that last post.
enlighten me.
why do u still think garam "fought" and "had inappropriate pictures out online", when it pretty much proven that it was Yoo Yeon Soo, the girl who Garam confronted who posted those online.
Orbits deserve the highest Respect for finally start to stop those Terrorists.
Ah, its lsfm company.
OK, than better pray source learned from the gfriend debacle. Honestly it dont seem like they did.
Didnt they do the same to Garam allready? So please dont complain when in a few years your faves will receive the same treatment from source.
Right now, you pay source the money they use to harass viviz. If you think you have a valid reasons to support that, just keep going.
yeh... this is disturbing.
It does seem like LsF is mostly run by Source and NOT Hybe. I think the business model is that Hybe provides the resources to Pleidis, Source, Ador, Belift, etc but doesnt directly get involved with managing the groups.
And given Source's track record of how they've handled Glam, Gfriend and the Garam debacle, Source has only shown that they excel at being incompetent.
We can talk when it really happens, what's the point of discussing about hypothetical scenario? going by your logic, SM should never debut any idol after DBSK and EXO debacles. YG with 2ne1, JYP with miss A etc since their parting wasn't that amicable.
For now, at least on the surface, Source/Hybe do gave Le Sserafim the best treatment that any group could hope for (good music, ton of content, creative freedom etc), so Fearnot have nothing to complain about.
Display Moreyeh... this is disturbing.
It does seem like LsF is mostly run by Source and NOT Hybe. I think the business model is that Hybe provides the resources to Pleidis, Source, Ador, Belift, etc but doesnt directly get involved with managing the groups.
And given Source's track record of how they've handled Glam, Gfriend and the Garam debacle, Source has only shown that they excel at being incompetent.
Hybe stans should really worry that Source is the one managing their so called "Label Girl Group". LsF gained attention because they were "under hybe" - Source didnt have anything to do with it - but if you look at Le Sserafim's content - Source is spending an EXORBITANT amount of money on the girls - more than all the rookie girls combined - they're showering the girls with luxury hotels, trips to jeju, making content after content that rents whole buildings, etc.
Source has spent more money on Le sserafim than Bighit has spent on BTS in 2022 - and i highly doubt the girls are making anywhere near BTS money. I could see why Source was 20 million in debt by the time HYBE bought them.
idk. maybe they do have Hitman bang's blessings to spend this much- who really knows - but even then it's a very bad business model - to spend more than what you make. it's basic math. And i do get WHY they're doing this - it's that old business gamble - to make more u have to spend more cliche - but that only works when and if you know what u're doing. Source has proven they don't - they never have. they have no experience in making a profit by spending.
it's not sustainable w/o bts money . and when things start to go south, we all know what Source does. they throw the members under the bus.
this is quiet shocking to read. no wonder gfriend didnt made much money despite being very successfull. Like loona you cant do anything if the company manage to spend even more than what you earn.
i read a thread about the hybe groups profits this year. i think lsfm made a loss of a few milions despite being so successfull. but it was similar for other groups i think it was nj. go big or die trying...
like the kids are forced to become like the next bp and be successfull for several years or end in debt.
at least snsd got trained for years and not month, so the people in charge could better check if the girls also have the mental strengh. Damn companies. At least they should prepare the girls better for the shit they set them into.
We can talk when it really happens, what's the point of discussing about hypothetical scenario? going by your logic, SM should never debut any idol after DBSK and EXO debacles. YG with 2ne1, JYP with miss A etc since their parting wasn't that amicable.
For now, at least on the surface, Source/Hybe do gave Le Sserafim the best treatment that any group could hope for (good music, ton of content, creative freedom etc), so Fearnot have nothing to complain about.
they kicked a member out for no reason and you have nothing to complain? then how many members can they kick out until it becomes a problem for fearnot?
PS: Furthermore your girls worked the whole year their ass off but didnt get a penny out of it. they made milions but source spend milions more so they have to work the next year to pay for the investment of this year while hoping source wont spend that much money then.
gurlie it’s time to just stop this whole tirade lol it’s getting embarrassing.. that other user was saying that there are pictures OF GARAM online that paint her in a bad light (the text messages, the school documents etc) bc garam did engage in verbal attacks to the other girl. That user was NOT saying that garam released harassing pictures of her friend - garam literally defended her from the other girl and got into trouble for it lol, you’re just misunderstanding their words, hence the face palm 
gurlie it’s time to just stop this whole tirade lol it’s getting embarrassing.. that other user was saying that there are pictures OF GARAM online that paint her in a bad light (the text messages, the school documents etc) bc garam did engage in verbal attacks to the other girl. That user was NOT saying that garam released harassing pictures of her friend - garam literally defended her from the other girl and got into trouble for it lol, you’re just misunderstanding their words, hence the face palm
im sorry , idk any of you and i can think objectively and .... if u READ what she wrote ,
also the truth of the situation was that garam still fought and still had inappropriate pictures out online. im not blaming her for the situation but she did get in trouble with school and her school records coming out is what solidified the scandal. im not sure why you're coming at me with this when i am clearly on her side. i think how she was treated was terrible. whether from sorce or anyone else. but again, NOTHING source would have done would have been deemed "good" or gotten them "kudos" from fans. im smart enough to see that.
she's says one thing but is clearly saying another -
she's clearly saying that some of the blame does go to Garam - that she "fought", "had pictures of her out online" - that her school records "solidified" the scandal" - and that there was NOTHING source could've done.
this is akin to " i'm not racist BUT ...." statement.
" I think it was terrible how Garam was treated and i'm on her side . BUT..."
she obviously has that impression that Garam has some responsibility in this matter and she somehow thinks Source couldnt have handled the situation better.
I'm sorry for thinking the an Agency that KNOWS the truth should stick by their artists who they're responsible for. Source did this to Garam when they knew in FULL that Garam was innocent of the whole matter, and just decided throw her out with the mess THEY CREATED - if Garam was not publicly exposed to the by Source/hybe as an Idol, she would've never gotten this attention . I can understand if GARAM WAS guilty - that if she was a bully , then this action is understandable. - but according to source, if youre a bully or a victim or an innocent bystander, it DOESNT MATTER to them. You will be treated the same if they think it'll make them WORK out of their comfort zone. they just cant be bothered by it.
What next? what if the public gets outraged by Sakura's past as a Japanese idol? or what if some stalker gets some dirt on Yunjin when she was a kid in america... or on Kazuha in the netherlands and spread it online?
apparently the girls are barely making even cus source overspends so much- so removing sakura, yunjin, kazuha, etc wont matter to them - it's all about the dollars and they cant be bothered to protect their investment - when they're rolling in hybe money.
according to this person, it's justifiable- that she's "smart enough" to see there is "NOTHING SOURCE" could do. rly tho? .. really?? was there really nothing source can do when they face some "rumors"?? somehow JYPE , YG, SM seem to handle it pretty well.. but apparently this person thinks there's nothing they could've done with garam when all they had to do was let the truth out and STAND BY THEIR ARTISTS- RATHER THAN RUINING THE LIFE AND DREAMS OF AN INNOCENT 16 YR OLD.
Display Moreim sorry , idk any of you and i can think objectively and .... if u READ what she wrote ,
she's says one thing but is clearly saying another -
she's clearly saying that some of the blame does go to Garam - that she "fought", "had pictures of her out online" - that her school records "solidified" the scandal" - and that there was NOTHING source could've done.
this is akin to " i'm not racist BUT ...." statement.
" I think it was terrible how Garam was treated and i'm on her side . BUT..."
she obviously has that impression that Garam has some responsibility in this matter and she somehow thinks Source couldnt have handled the situation better.
I'm sorry for thinking the an Agency that KNOWS the truth should stick by their artists who they're responsible for. Source did this to Garam when they knew in FULL that Garam was innocent of the whole matter, and just decided throw her out with the mess THEY CREATED - if Garam was not publicly exposed to the by Source/hybe as an Idol, she would've never gotten this attention . I can understand if GARAM WAS guilty - that if she was a bully , then this action is understandable. - but according to source, if youre a bully or a victim or an innocent bystander, it DOESNT MATTER to them. You will be treated the same if they think it'll make them WORK out of their comfort zone. they just cant be bothered by it.
What next? what if the public gets outraged by Sakura's past as a Japanese idol? or what if some stalker gets some dirt on Yunjin when she was a kid in america... or on Kazuha in the netherlands and spread it online?
apparently the girls are barely making even cus source overspends so much- so removing sakura, yunjin, kazuha, etc wont matter to them - it's all about the dollars and they cant be bothered to protect their investment - when they're rolling in hybe money.
according to this person, it's justifiable- that she's "smart enough" to see there is "NOTHING SOURCE" could do. rly tho? .. really?? was there really nothing source can do when they face some "rumors"?? somehow JYPE , YG, SM seem to handle it pretty well.. but apparently this person thinks there's nothing they could've done with garam when all they had to do was let the truth out and STAND BY THEIR ARTISTS- RATHER THAN RUINING THE LIFE AND DREAMS OF AN INNOCENT 16 YR OLD.
im done engaging with people on this website that try to tell me "what i really meant" when i already said what i meant. i literally said i was on garam's side. i never said a bad thing about the girl during the whole situation and thought it was all bullocks until the end. but that doesn't change what OTHER people vocally think and still SAY about her. leave me alone and attack someone else!
and yg handling scandals "well" literally entails paying off the police 
Display Moreim sorry , idk any of you and i can think objectively and .... if u READ what she wrote ,
she's says one thing but is clearly saying another -
she's clearly saying that some of the blame does go to Garam - that she "fought", "had pictures of her out online" - that her school records "solidified" the scandal" - and that there was NOTHING source could've done.
this is akin to " i'm not racist BUT ...." statement.
" I think it was terrible how Garam was treated and i'm on her side . BUT..."
she obviously has that impression that Garam has some responsibility in this matter and she somehow thinks Source couldnt have handled the situation better.
I'm sorry for thinking the an Agency that KNOWS the truth should stick by their artists who they're responsible for. Source did this to Garam when they knew in FULL that Garam was innocent of the whole matter, and just decided throw her out with the mess THEY CREATED - if Garam was not publicly exposed to the by Source/hybe as an Idol, she would've never gotten this attention . I can understand if GARAM WAS guilty - that if she was a bully , then this action is understandable. - but according to source, if youre a bully or a victim or an innocent bystander, it DOESNT MATTER to them. you will treated the same if they think it'll make them WORK out of their comfort zone. they just cant be bothered by it.
What next? what if the public gets outraged by Sakura's past as a Japanese idol? or what if some stalker gets some dirt on Yunjin when she was a kid in america... or on Kazuha in the netherlands and spread it online?
apparently the girls are barely making even cus source overspends so much.
according to this person, it's justifiable- that she's "smart enough" to see there is "NOTHING SOURCE" could do. rly tho? .. really?? was there really nothing source can do when they face some "rumors"?? somehow JYPE , YG, SM seem to handle it pretty well.. but apparently this person thinks there's nothing they could've done with garam when all they had to do was let the truth out and STAND BY THEIR ARTISTS- RATHER THAN RUINING THE LIFE AND DREAMS OF AN INNOCENT 16 YR OLD.
i’m not interested in your whole discourse with that other user about source music’s competence in pr/damage control, i was only correcting your misunderstanding of their words: the incriminating pictures they spoke of were of garam, not her friend.
You don’t get the point they were trying to make: being a celebrity/idol means upholding an image and profiting from it, so once the image gets ruined for whatever reason, the damage could be irreversible and the idol can no longer use their image as their money-making tool. In garam’s case, she wasn’t an instigator in the fight and she did it only to defend her friend, so morally speaking you could say she wasn’t in the wrong, but in the process of executing “justice” garam also got herself into a position where her image isn’t spotlessly clean anymore, bc she in fact did fight and there were plenty of nasty texts to prove it, and the illusion of a perfect angelic idol is shattered. In the public eye sometimes doing things for the “right reason” isn’t enough to override the shattered reputation that a celeb should’ve maintained to sell their product.
Which is what corporations take into account when making decisions: they don’t care if you’re “innocent”, they just care if you can sell their product anymore or not. This is not to defend their reasoning of course, it’s just a harsh reality of how ruthless it is in business. Some corporations might be able to salvage the celeb’s damaged reputation, some aren’t capable of it so they cut the celeb. The point is it doesn’t matter if you were right or wrong, and corporations don’t choose to defend you simply bc they believe in justice - they only do it if they think they can win the public’s favour again through whatever means. You could be a criminal for all they care. All of them are scum, make no mistake, even sm or jyp etc.
So that’s what the other user was arguing about source music’s line of thinking. You bringing up that garam was innocent so they had to legally / morally protect her is very naive bc that’s not how real life works lol
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