The most disgusting parts is they are selling the girls fancam
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Yep....Winter K-fans doxxed the person who wrote s*x on a picture of the girls (+ Winter's back) walking so it's going to get messy.
There was ONE incident with a graduate but the majority of people are students that should and CAN be punished by law.
No shame
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I was wondering why all the boys were excited for Ningning considering Karina and Winter have more male fans...Karina and Winter had pants on their outfits, Giselle apparently had side-safety shorts.....guess who was wearing just a skirt.
Also the high school is trying to take down all the upskirt fancams rn on Youtube. They're probably under legal threat at this point because no one believes their bs excuse.
To each their own but imagine token stanning trot
LMAO.
Good for him, I was wrong on the next million seller.
Display MoreI really loved the "Dazzle dazzle dazzle me" part but overall the song not so much.
I don't know about Cherry Bullet, something is wrong with that group. The way how 3 member just left without any explanation kinda gives me a bad image of them.
Ehm, yes? All of that is a success like it or not. If you dismiss it then we really shouldn't call anyone but Twice successful.
Also 2 hit wonders? lmfao That itself sounds ridiculous. Lets call Gfriend a 4 hit wonder and OMG 3 hit wonders while at it.
Well good to know, that's exactly why title says "either official or unofficially". Both Dia and CLC lost half of their member with other half doing their own thing and barely having any group activity in last 2 years. That's called unofficially disbanded.
Well, Dreamcatcher did it and now their debut year is always counted from 2017 and not from 2014 as MINX, so they even refer to Wendy with honorifics, they wouldn't have if MINX was counted. So what I am saying whoever this Elris/Alice is they are now a 2022 debut and 4th gen group.
FNC isn't the best agency.
DIA will probably be disbanding, and CLC is as good as done too.
Weki Meki [ironically the one that fits 4th gen concepts most] is the only non-top gg besides arguably Laboum. And Laboum have a decently strong Kfanbase because of JTA.
Elris is actually more of a continuation - they moved to another company and changed names + stage names because of copyright issues. It's more like BEAST/Highlight except the group didn't break up.
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I will shut this down. No because a) LSM does this to boost the high school, and give them good publicity. He was on the Board of Directors for years + chose to send his groups there as a gift to the school, however this is NOT good publicity for the school at all. Wasn't planned, however they should have thought about it.
Adding on this is the first one after the pandemic, which had people more rowdy, even SNSD didn't have such a rowdy crowd and they were more popular among men when they performed, than Aespa.
Display MoreI have absolutely no idea why SM would send them to an all-boys school to perform. This is insane.
What did they really have to gain if it was a a success?
Does SM not analyze the cost/benefit of a decision like this?
Seriously, there has to more to this. Did one of the SM executives graduate at this school? This smells like this was all political.
It's LSM's tradition. It's his alumni school and he promised to send every single one of his top groups to perform.
It's supposed to be a good thing - Aespa on the setlist was trending and everyone was excited. Girls’ Generation performed there in 2008, Red Velvet in 2015, NCT 127 in 2016, and NCT DREAM in 2017 and 2019. EXO had tons of female fans so they didn't send them to perform here iirc.
However the school has exponentially grown since 2008, and I don't think they were expecting so many people.
It's still unforgiveable they didn't think of security + checking w/the school. The last time in 2015 was TaTiSeo and Red Velvet. [Not counting BGs]
By that time TaTiSeo had personals security (since they were so big) and I feel like RV's popularity at the festival wasn't so high as Aespa's as a) it was only after Happiness, which wasn't a popular debut and b) RV had performed at festivals before, while because of the pandemic, it's Aespa's first, which added more hype.
Display MoreI- fans never cared for IU, OMG, Brave Girls, Mamamoo and aespa until they showed signs of becoming big in the industry.
Koreans never cared for BTS, EXID, Loona, Lisa, etc until they hit some sort of international/domestic milestone.
My vote goes to I-fans as BTS is the only true example of international impact that translated domestically later.
What about you?
Aespa had a ton of I-fans before they blew up. There's a lot of SM I-fans. It's just that they haven't had the contents of Ive..etc yet but they were very hyped on this very forum even before Next Level.
Koreans cared about BTS too - trended very frequently, it's just that I-fans cared about them more. I'd say SKZ are a case where they're like nugu in Korea and super popular overseas.
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The only girl group whom I totally pitty, they were really unlucky. Their pre debut hype got wasted with some really weird concept and song choices, then some weird stuff started happening in Fantagio, constant CEO and owner changes (5-6 in last 3 years), company being delisted from Korea Entertainment Management Association. All of these took a real toll on them, despite the fact that they've been putting out some real gems since 2019, like Picky Picky, Oopsy, Cool, Siesta.
Good debut is very important in Kpop, if Ive didn't do well with their debut they were risking to go the exact same path and I am glad they avoided it. Now there was a rescue path for them through Queendom and news were coming that they're in the lineup but whether it was hoax from beginning or Msnake wasn't so happy with Kep1er's sales and they made last moment changes remains unclear.
Now, as a 5 year old girl group they either need a Brave Girls viral moment or through some other survival show.
You're right.
The only active 3rd gen groups are BlackTwiceVelvet, Mamamoo, Oh My Girl for the top tier, Momoland and Laboum for the 1 hit wonders, then WJSN, Dreamcatcher & Weki Meki.
WJSN have quiet popularity in Korea, they're like #10 on top 10 ggs of 3rd gen + Bona blowing up. Dreamcatcher have found a niche overseas that will sustain them for a long time.
Weki Meki is left...Yoojung is still doing really well on variety, she's everywhere with Aiki (from SWF) + on Amazing Saturday. She has a decent K-fanabse.
Doyeon has her $$ from brand endorsements (esp w/Bobbi Brown Korea + some minor drama work.
I really agree Fantagio fumbled the bag. Doyeon has the face to go high-fashion international, like Jung Hoyeon, Yoojung is a stellar idol, and the rest of the group isn't lacking either. They're very vocally talented, 3-4 of the group supports, [Suyeon, Elly, Yoojung + Lua], great songs + dances, and their concept is amazing.
They did WeMe even worse than Hello Venus.
Dreamer95 MNET said a first win was not a requirement for Queendom Season 1, but it was really with Kingdom + the selection disaster where MNET producers made the rule to only let groups with a win join a Kingdom/Queendom season, and the rest on Road to King/Queendom. With the press conference for Queendom 2, MNET confirmed that rule was being held for S2. It didn't exist for S1.
Display MoreFirst, Yes, I'm aware of what the shitty fandom did. I was rooting for SF9 all through Kingdom and had no idea why they weren't doing better. I didn't donate, however, I never trust that, but I am very aware of how badly they got screwed over and the entire fandom needs to take them to court and last i read they were planning something and holding them accountable which they should. I would "leave the fandom" too but not stop enjoying SF9 over it, it's not THEIR fault.
As for the actors in the group, I personally, very much enjoy their acting. I love Rowoon and Chani so much. I don't expect all members to get along with each other all the time, whether they do or don't it's not my personal business. They are professional on stage and make great music. They are one of my top 5 groups.
Regardless of "rumors, controversies, etc." people always say they have solid proof/evidence, I've also seen people blow shit so far out of proportion and then people join the hate train that I just don't listen to any of that negative shit. I don't care about what they did in the past, or what mistakes they made they are human. As for in some adult establishment on Chani's 21st b-day, i've heard everything under the sun about what happened, but i wasn't there, and neither were half the knetz talking about it. I'm not going to judge them, it was the guys birthday. You only turn 21 once.
I haven't heard any rumor about the dude dating a minor and i've only been into kpop since feb 2020, so anything prior to me getting into kpop doesn't matter to me. what matters to me is here and now and I haven't seen anything that makes me go, oh this group sucks. They make amazing music, I love their stage presence, their choreography, their discography (which i own every single album and then some) and I have no desire to stop stanning them.
If this is why people don't care for them, that's their prerogative, but as someone who DOES enjoy them I want more for them as I do for any other group.
Oh I don't have any particular feelings on SF9 any way but I just wrote out (word for word) a list that Kfans had complied before leaving the fandom., which really explains why SF9 stagnated.
P1Harmony in comparison (besides the Keenho thing which was strictly an overseas scandal) doesn't have that many problems, so they had an easier time gaining fans.
I'm not trying to influence anyone to leave the fandom, they're very talented, especially vocally. I'm explaining why SF9 didn't have a career resurgence like they were expected to. Their music is good, as FNC music generally is, as well.
There was a few more I didn't add because they were plain stupid: not listening to "fan concerns" in fanmeets, on virtual fanmeets fans were mad because "a member made their screen smaller and his screen bigger"..you get the idea.
Adult Entertainment (technically is illegal) but plenty of idols partake in it, most recently Yunho. I think the real reason so many fans left was that they hid from the police according to the official police report on the news. Now that made some of SF9's biggest fans quit. Remember FNC isn't paying to clear searches + post clarifications/apologies - the fans are. The only time FNC stepped in was with Zuho + the girl, much to the girl's anger.
The COVID thing blew up so much a politician commented on it, which is pretty humiliating to the group image. The member[s] Rowoon + Youngbin obviously apologized but it didn't hit the news in the same way + it exposed that FNC lied. So all the drama outbreaks of COVID? Were naturally blamed on the boys as everyone else had proof of vaccination.
Not to mention Wendy fans were terrorizing the searches because of a simple misunderstanding being blown out of proportion.
A few big fansites shut down then.
Same with Actor-Group inner-conflict. It's just solo stans making it worse but just like many groups, most recently Kep1er, it bars people from joining a fandom. That fanbase is being taken to court - I think it's ongoing but a lawsuit was certainly drafted.
With the dating a minor: a saesang actually did expose it [and it's still ongoing], but since the minor in case was a foreigner, everyone decided to shut up about it for the sake of her reputation. It also didnt help that TO1 guy + Fanatics Doah (another underage dating scandal with a minor) was exposed just after, and that made more noise with Fanatics fans. However that wasn't one of the bigger factors why people left the fandom.
TaeHyun's mental health was always bad. Where BI had to be forced to leave because of how big his scandal had gotten, his was more voluntary in comparison.
This was when he was in YG. After he left, years later he had a horrific V-live where he
When he was in the group every his move was made into some "controversy" by antis, haters or media, because he was most popular member.
After he left the group he said about his time in WINNER that he was scared to go out of home because every time when he did it he was accused of something he never did and he had to apologize. [fake parking lot incident]
He was accused of being a sleezebag to women throughout and a lot of people left his fandom when he was caught cheating:
Before Army starts panicking, let's remember that this could actually be a blessing in disguise. As long as Hybe doesnt do something insanely stupid like sending them all in at once, Hybe can use this time to jumpstart the members' individual branding and careers.
Imagine all the hype from individual solo releases. Subunit releases. Instead of coming back once or twice a year, Army could get 3 or 4 comebacks each year of solos, subunits and collabs. Imagine if each member becomes a household name in the US, as recognized as Harry Styles or Selena or Olivia. Locals could finally get to know them as unique stars, not just dancing "clones" which is unfortunately a local stereotype of Kpop bands in general. Imagine individual brand deals for each member, their faces could be everywhere. This will give them a chance to be famous well into their 30s and 40s instead of ending up like the Backstreet Boys where no one knows each individual member.
It does suck if you're emotionally invested in the members cause we all know the Korean military can be a hellhole. There is no silver lining here. If my faves like Mina or Lisa ended up having to enlist, i would not like it one bit
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Uh I am assuming w/3/7ish? of the boys having major medial issues/pain they will mostly be doing desk work. Suga for sure is at a desk. Jimin has some chronic muscle stuff. JK is debatable - I know he has some problems w/his leg. I think Jin, possibly Rm, Jhope, V?[I know he has injuries too] will enlist together normally.
So not that bad but privacy will be a concern.
Thank you so much, that’s probably the most detailed analysis I’ve seen on her vocals. It’s definitely something interesting to know about❤️
Since SSE is known to have good vocal trainers, do you think Yujin has the potential to improve one day? As in, being able to support to some extent? I’ve seen people say that she isn’t really a powerhouse vocal, which is true I guess, but do you think she can at least be average for the kpop standard?
Yujin is a decent vocalist - she's not that far from support. Her biggest problem - which I instantly heard was her glottal tension. Most sub vocalists and a lot of lead vocalists tend to sing with tension and a closed throat even in their mid-range. Yujin had this problem the worst out of the entire IZ*One vocal line.
I would say she is an average chestier soprano w/above average live singing skills.
It's a bit worrying when it's a main vocalist though. She also has nasality like I mentioned.One plus point is that she's pretty consistent + she's confident and she's also improved a lot on her musical understanding. In PD48, she didn't really know the basics at all but she learnt a lot about dynamics, stylistic choices and singing w/an impact during IZ*One.
Off the top of my head Loona Kim Lip, CheBul Jiwon, Gfriend SinB are around her level, ITZY Yeji is a bit below it, and G-idle Minnie is a bit above it.
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The real problem isn't her getting support though, it's about maintaining it. Yujin has kept her problems since predebut because they don't want to mess up her stability, but actually introducing things that will combat her flaws will change her stability on stage.
In Ive they'd need to change things up a bit for Yujin to be able to change her technique. Overlaying member vocals would give her a lot of slack.
Rei is very stable but nasal: the lower/middle range should be her limit, anything higher and she'd go off pitch. LeeSeo reminds me a bit of debut Yeri, she has good phrasing but wouldn't be able to consistently do higher parts. WonYoung has pretty good falsettos, but shines best in her deeper set voice - they should keep doing what they are w/her.
Now I see things that can be changed with Liz, Gaeul and Yujin.
With Yujin, they should give her a bit more slack with the upper parts so she can gain support - for that Liz could handle a lot of the upper-range dynamics, but I see a lot of potential in Gaeul.
Gaeul arguably has the worst pitch of the group, training as a rapper but the least technical problems and is less softer than Liz. She has a very clear voice like Kepler Mashiro - which makes it perfect for an upper part. A bit more training and I can see her sharing some of the higher parts with Yujin. Especially since she has a clear voice, a joint part would flow well.
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With her having less pressure on her back, it would be easy, I'd say ~1.5 years to learn support? I'd say around 2.5 to be consistent with light support. But again, crazy schedules + dieting will eat into that. There's not a huge barrier technically speaking for her to support, and she's shown dedication.
Her C#3s are very decent so she's not far off at all. Most companies would be able to teach her support, not just Starship. [But ofc Starship vocal training is a plus]
Really good lower range potential (autotuned but she's fuller than most)
Her phrasing isn't too bad - belting is decent
woah, that’s so mean. Don’t they have anything better to do than hating on literal teenage girls?
well kpop idol reaction videos/+ hot takes makes them a lot of $$, fame and views so they're not going to stop anytime soon 
Hopefully V takes legal action against Sojang like he said he would, and the threat of a BTS lawsuit makes them shut up.
Neither, she's not a visual for me but i can easily see why she would be for others. I think "attractive" is the best term to describe her.
I think it depends on her expressions - it changes based off what expression she makes.
EDIT: SO sorry BlackpinkHouse, didn't mean to write it as a comment to you
its not just sojang
The people commenting under their videos are just as bad as them
Sojang is giving them the platform to come out - which is the real problem here.
I wouldn't say worse is the better word - she's more..practical now?
She's certainly being advised to go lighter + more nasally because with pushing with a deeper voice, she runs a higher risk of going off-pitch or cracking during Ive songs.
She doesn't have a sense of technique yet she has to perform the dynamics required for a song (for example agility, going up-then down very fast, certain "AH' vowels, the upper melody at the end of Eleven). So she can perform those, she has to sing lighter. Her biggest plus point is that she's very stable, so SS are trying to make sure it stays that way.
Look at Love Dive (with the whispery thing) - Liz sometimes goes off pitch. That's because she's attempting to be open-er with her vowels (because she is the only member with some sort of support) but Yujin can't risk that at all as she has the louder part - it would be very noticeable if she messed up.
It would be different if any of the members had the consistency that a member like Seola of WJSN does. Her range isn't too developed, but she can maintain a stronger sense of breath support and decently do the dynamics required of Ive songs. In 4th gen, I think Sullyoon from NMIXX, or Soeun from Weeekly would be at that level.
Since Yujin doesn't have that, she unfortunately has to sacrifice something, and that becomes the...."intensity" of her voice if that makes sense. Even in her "igeomyeon chungbunhae jjotgo jjonneun ireon nori" part at the beginning of Love Dive she doesn't have the intensity she did in IZ*One.
It's not a huge deal, Ive songs don't make her strain too badly, and Yujin wasn't a trainee for very long before going on PD48 anyways.
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I think this is a good cover. Yujin has always been nasal, but here she's going much lighter to be more powerful and that's why she kinda sounds like Jisoo.
It's more practical.
Here you can see how she's more husky + grounded, and she's improved on her groundedness throughout her IZ*One career.
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Idk how to insert time spams and just listen to how deep and husky her voice used to be at 15
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Idk why her voice sounds higher now but I miss that tone of hers so much
She's basically evened out her tone - probably did so because of the Taeyeon comparisons.
So overall her technique has gotten kinda worse but it isn't that bad because she never really supported in the first place: the difference between a smaller part in a 12 member group and a main vocal in a 6 member group is huge and I guess her vocal change was to reflect that.
So TLDR she can put more oomph into a smaller part but has to lighten up + be even for a longer duration of time in Ive. Some certain covers should bring her sound back to how she used to sing though.
