Exemption is the abortion debate for kpop forums.

Peaceful. Very peaceful

Wait, I thought Bts weren't going to the army, maybe I read it wrong idk

wow kpop stans are fking pathetic wherever they are from. connecting play golf to something else. taking pannkpop comments to support idiocy. seriously pathetic

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wow kpop stans are fking pathetic wherever they are from. connecting play golf to something else. taking pannkpop comments to support idiocy. seriously pathetic

yea cause anyone who disagrees with bts' action is a hater kpoppie?

anyway, I am sick of this topic please hurry and get the verdict over with so we can know if they are gonna make another album or not

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yea cause anyone who disagrees with bts' action is a hater kpoppie?

anyway, I am sick of this topic please hurry and get the verdict over with so we can know if they are gonna make another album or not

did u feel personally attacked by my comments towards haters? not my problem.

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did u feel personally attacked by my comments towards haters? not my problem.

no, why would i? it's a question. it's an illogical conclusion but whateva you say user ohpuhlease

those comments are made by lsm's cybertroopers!

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no, why would i? it's a question. it's an illogical conclusion but whateva you say user ohpuhlease

bcos you think disagreeing with opinions and hate comments is the same thing. pls go play dumb somewhere by yourself. dont waste my time

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bcos you think disagreeing with opinions and hate comments is the same thing. pls go play dumb somewhere by yourself. dont waste my time

huh? when did I even say that? All I said is just because people make hate comments about bts doesn't mean they're some "bitter kpoppies" the people in the OP seem more like straight up antis. Not a single other kpop idol or group mentioned there. I am confused why you are projecting onto me when i never said anything about that

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huh? when did I even say that? All I said is just because people make hate comments about bts doesn't mean they're some "bitter kpoppies" the people in the OP seem more like straight up antis. Not a single other kpop idol or group mentioned there. I am confused why you are projecting onto me when i never said anything about that

you are having this argument with me because i said kpop stans being pathetic everywhere? over a general statement? i don't have patience for this. i will be blocking you, best regards.

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you are having this argument with me because i said kpop stans being pathetic everywhere? over a general statement? i don't have patience for this. i will be blocking you, best regards.

argument? for you misunderstanding me? did I trigger you? me correcting you for making a general statement when it doesn't apply here? uh yea, have fun with that

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did u feel personally attacked by my comments towards haters? not my problem.

Always ignore ex ARMYs.....

And wtf are these Knetz on about.....

Jin's reply was him saying, "Stop asking this dumb question to me again and again and again. Go ask my company. I have said I'll go to army if and when my time comes. So fuck off and let me enjoy my concert which is what I'm here for."

Dumbasses can't read between the lines and alot of them live in Korea and it shows.......

And about that Suga's verse. These kids are acting Iike he has gone back from his words. First see if he does and then you can use those words. Not now. Use your brain if you have one Knetz.....

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Always ignore ex ARMYs.....

I blocked them 💆🏽‍♀️💆🏽‍♀️

Such dramaqueens kpop fans are, and whether BTS enlist or not, it won't change anything for others. BTS' enlistment won't make others' enlistment period any better. It's pure pettiness at this point. And I remember someone connecting this with patriotism which is kind of laughable bcoz 90% of these Korean men are forced to enlist, they'd love to dodge it if they get a chance too. And women there don't enlist so does that mean the women there don't have patriotism???

people with any shred of animosity towards bts sure are jumping on this since they've noticed a change in sentiment. just months ago comments were filled with people saying "give bts an exemption for their spread of korean culture", now people are acting like they're trying to evade the military just bc they want the potential exemption position to be decided. obviously if there is potential for them to be exempted they're not going to run to the military while the decision is still being finalized? people always let logic fly out the window to get a good wank hating on some of the cleanest kpop celebs that ever existed. get a life!!

but there is also a lot of truth to the statement that armys made this worse. its just ridiculous that anyone thought the members themselves really want to serve. NO korean man "wants" to serve. they go because they have to.

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people with any shred of animosity towards bts sure are jumping on this since they've noticed a change in sentiment. just months ago comments were filled with people saying "give bts an exemption for their spread of korean culture", now people are acting like they're trying to evade the military just bc they want the potential exemption position to be decided. obviously if there is potential for them to be exempted they're not going to run to the military while the decision is still being finalized? people always let logic fly out the window to get a good wank hating on some of the cleanest kpop celebs that ever existed. get a life!!

but there is also a lot of truth to the statement that armys made this worse. its just ridiculous that anyone thought the members themselves really want to serve. NO korean man "wants" to serve. they go because they have to.

Wrong this comes because of how our country is. A few unwritten rules of Korean culture are don't go back on your word or make excuses for something. This is a serious enough thing across all ages and demographics here. The reason they are getting hate is they originally said they would serve regardless. So for now to be like the exemption status is causing stress etc makes them look bad and people here see that as a problem they are already comparing BTS to Steve yoo a popular celebrity who vowed to serve but deserted and got exiled for doing so his fans and the gp turned their backs on him. So people are saying " having trouble planning life? Lol every other Korean man did so without a problem why can't you?" And well every other idol served without a problem why can't you" basically the why are you making excuses and why are you going back on what you said

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Wrong this comes because of how our country is. A few unwritten rules of Korean culture are don't go back on your word or make excuses for something. This is a serious enough thing across all ages and demographics here. The reason they are getting hate is they originally said they would serve regardless. So for now to be like the exemption status is causing stress etc makes them look bad and people here see that as a problem they are already comparing BTS to Steve yoo a popular celebrity who vowed to serve but deserted and got exiled for doing so his fans and the gp turned their backs on him. So people are saying " having trouble planning life? Lol every other Korean man did so without a problem why can't you?" And well every other idol served without a problem why can't you" basically the why are you making excuses and why are you going back on what you said

But the government is the one who keep talking about giving them exemption. Even if they get one, they're getting it for their contributions in the Korean economy, so what is the problem? They're not getting it through any unfair means, nor they demanded the government to give them exemption, heck we don't even know if they're getting any exemption at all, it's all still in talks.

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Wrong this comes because of how our country is. A few unwritten rules of Korean culture are don't go back on your word or make excuses for something. This is a serious enough thing across all ages and demographics here. The reason they are getting hate is they originally said they would serve regardless. So for now to be like the exemption status is causing stress etc makes them look bad and people here see that as a problem they are already comparing BTS to Steve yoo a popular celebrity who vowed to serve but deserted and got exiled for doing so his fans and the gp turned their backs on him. So people are saying " having trouble planning life? Lol every other Korean man did so without a problem why can't you?" And well every other idol served without a problem why can't you" basically the why are you making excuses and why are you going back on what you said

sorry but why are you telling me this exactly? nothing i said was "wrong" or disproven by anything you said. what bts' has said is being extremely taken out of context in this situation imo. where are the "excuses" or them going back on their words? they haven't been given exemption. they aren't ASKING for exemption, they're asking that a final decision be made on something that has been in talks for years. it is true that plans for how they will proceed in the next few years are hard to make because whether or not they will have to serve is currently up in the air. whether they can tour or whether they will have to have things set up to be released while they're away ect. there are genuine commenters in those translated comments but there are also people that are clearly just hating on them with this whole "why does bts want to be exempt for making money" point. when every other day they're being praised for literally "spreading korean culture". and it is a literal fact that bts' economic impact is huge.

people in fine arts get exempt for much less bc of the "spread of korean culture" and that was the whole point behind considering celebs. don't exempt anyone then. why are bts the fall guys?

All this is taking me back to Nov 2018 to when kpop fans were blasting everywhere on media that BTS is killing kpop in Japan and would get every Korean artist banished LOL Now kpop fans everywhere are uniting because there's a huge target on their back.

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Wrong this comes because of how our country is. A few unwritten rules of Korean culture are don't go back on your word or make excuses for something. This is a serious enough thing across all ages and demographics here. The reason they are getting hate is they originally said they would serve regardless. So for now to be like the exemption status is causing stress etc makes them look bad and people here see that as a problem they are already comparing BTS to Steve yoo a popular celebrity who vowed to serve but deserted and got exiled for doing so his fans and the gp turned their backs on him. So people are saying " having trouble planning life? Lol every other Korean man did so without a problem why can't you?" And well every other idol served without a problem why can't you" basically the why are you making excuses and why are you going back on what you said

BTS originally said they'll serve when called to serve. Don't put words into their mouth. If they're exempted then they aren't called.

Steve Yoo naturalized to the US and deserted his country, how is the situation at all comparable to what BTS is going through? The SK government has been planning on granting BTS an exemption or reduced service since 2018. BTS never sought it. The government has been dangling this for 5 years already. Before Hybe or BTS has stated their position on this, other companies have jumped on to it, using BTS as a target to score something for their other groups.

Covid has already caused BTS to cancel the MOTS7 world tour, cancel a lot of online and in person concerts already in the span of 2 years, now they need a firm answer on what BTS' choices are, so they can plan their activities accordingly.

It's honestly really pathetic of people jumping on BTS when it's the first time a Korean group has ever warranted this kind of political maneuver.

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wow kpop stans are fking pathetic wherever they are from. connecting play golf to something else. taking pannkpop comments to support idiocy. seriously pathetic

Tae deletes his Insta story all the time, even becoming a running joke in the fandom. It’s obvious kpoppies are holding onto straws now

But if I remember Hybe paid for the journalists for the concert in LV or? What has the Grammy got to do with this?

100 journalists?

The ones that fangirls like crazy on twitter?

I hope it’s worth it🤔

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And wtf are these Knetz on about.....

Jin's reply was him saying, "Stop asking this dumb question to me again and again and again. Go ask my company. I have said I'll go to army if and when my time comes. So fuck off and let me enjoy my concert which is what I'm here for."

Dumbasses can't read between the lines and alot of them live in Korea and it shows.......

And about that Suga's verse. These kids are acting Iike he has gone back from his words. First see if he does and then you can use those words. Not now. Use your brain if you have one Knetz.....

Tbh Suga is still not wrong. He said they will go when the time comes. But if that time never comes…..

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I think the reason people are taking issue with the "it's hard to make plans" is that in their minds, they should be making plans to enlist and then accept an exemption that comes instead of saying "well make your mind now because I have things to do!" when everyone who has to enlist has things to do. It can come across as "give me special treatment" even if that's not intended.

as another user said this exemption has been dangled in bts' face for 5 years. nobody seems to care about that aspect. its just about making bts the bad guys for daring to ask for clarity.

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Tae deletes his Insta story all the time, even becoming a running joke in the fandom. It’s obvious kpoppies are holding onto straws now

But if I remember Hybe paid for the journalists for the concert in LV or? What has the Grammy got to do with this?

It was for the LV city project

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It was for the LV city project

So what has that got to do with the enlistment for them to bring it up?

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The narrative is that they have been behind all the exemption talk all along and this is a ploy to get media on their side by making BTS look good. Cause BTS need lots of help in that department.

BTS success has always been underrated by the kmedia. So the only time Hybe tries to get good press for them is now twisted into this??

So then Hybe also paid Fox News and all those other US news stations to cover the concerts too? And Hybe was the same company who told SM, YG and JYP to hold a meeting and use BTS face so that they can get an exemption in 2018??

This sounds ridiculous the more I think about it.

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So what has that got to do with the enlistment for them to bring it up?

They talked about this issue in the press con, honestly idk what’s going on they have managed to twist all the facts and happenings to paint a narrative.

I think it's high time people stop making out some forum posts as the representation for what an entire country thinks. Forums are always more populated with fans. It can happen that The good comments are only written by fans before and these type of comments only by the antis. We don't know what actual people feel about this issue or if it is even in their priorities considering how some have described their housing situation in Korea rn.

We(fans) have to wait it out and let the same users continue on spilling garbage as they usually do. Comparing BTS who will be granted exemption to someone who evaded enlistment should tell enough about how much one can trust any biased people.

If BTS decide to take the exemption they will be fully aware about the kind of backlash they would be getting and it's not like they are dependent on sk one bit. I don't see any gains in us(non korean fans) constantly having the same discussions about it.

People jumping on the bandwagon hate simply because their flop oppas weren’t good enough to be part of the exemption narrative. Boohoo so sad. They should try harder next time.

Also let’s not act like anyone in here really CARES if they get exempted or not. Most Army are international fans who really don’t give a crap about so called backlash Korean netizens are spewing.