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people like to take things out of context, smh too
BoA and Karina were certainly not thinking about race. It's colorist for sure, but not racist. Whoever translated this with the subtitles intentionally put the word "black" in there for a reason — to race-bait and get their video viral. Don't fall for that divisiveness; we have way too much of that. BoA meant "dark" or "tan."
In Asian languages, there's often just one word that describes "dark," "tan," and "black." They would use the same word, but its meaning is different depending on context. I feel like that's what's at play here. Some things gets lost in translation when put into English.
Colorism is horrible and should be dismantled. Although sometimes race is a factor, there are situations when it's not. Colorism can still happen when the person perpetuating isn't thinking about race at all.
Sadly, for many Asian people in Asia, colorism is so ingrained that they're a bit desensitized to it, to the point where they would laugh even if they're the target of a colorist joke.
Hope you all understand the context here. I'm not trying to defend anyone. I'm just saying this is colorism, a huge issue in Asia, but racism isn't at play in this case.
Display MoreThey're certainly not thinking about race when they said this. It's colorist for sure, but not racist. Whoever translated this with the subtitles intentionally put the word "black" in there for a reason — to race-bait and get their video viral. BOA meant "dark" or "tan."
In Asian languages, there's often just one word that describes "dark," "tan," and "black." They would use the same word, but its meaning is different depending on context. I feel like that's what's at play here. Some things gets lost in translation when put into English.
Colorism is horrible and should be dismantled. Although sometimes race is a factor, there are situations when it's not. Colorism can still happen when the person perpetuating isn't thinking about race at all.
Sadly, for many Asian people in Asia, colorism is so ingrained that they're a bit desensitized to it, to the point where they would laugh even if they're the target of a colorist joke.
Hope you all understand the context here. I'm not trying to defend anyone. I'm just saying this is colorism, a huge issue in Asia, but racism isn't at play in this case.
everyone understands this if they're atleast average IQ
the people getting mad WANT to get mad at everything
is pretty normal that in your first meeting with someone, the thing you'll notice the most is their most unique physical trait
everyone understands this if they're atleast average IQ
the people getting mad WANT to get mad at everything
is pretty normal that in your first meeting with someone, the thing you'll notice the most is their most unique physical trait
It's one of those things that need to be examined responsibly, not messed around with for the sake of dividing people, click-baiting, and race-baiting. Resorting to the latter just feeds people misinformation and causes a whole lot of unnecessary resentment.
I'm straight-up about it. It's colorism. I don't see why they find it so funny. BoA could have simply said, "I thought her complexion was very tan." WITHOUT the laughing. Yes, that goes for Karina, too.
But then, again, in Asian countries, they even laugh at it if they're the target of the joke. It's so ingrained in their society to the point where they don't even see colorism as an issue.
This just requires looking at things through a fair, worldly perspective. I don't want some clout-hungry TikTok or Twitter users causing more division and tension among us minorities when there's more than enough of that.
Display MoreIt's one of those things that need to be examined responsibly, not messed around with for the sake of dividing people, click-baiting, and race-baiting. Resorting to the latter just feeds people misinformation and causes a whole lot of unnecessary resentment.
I'm straight-up about it. It's colorism. I don't see why they find it so funny. BoA could have simply said, "I thought her complexion was very tan." WITHOUT the laughing. Yes, that goes for Karina, too.
But then, again, in Asian countries, they even laugh at it if they're the target of the joke. It's so ingrained in their society to the point where they don't even see colorism as an issue.
This just requires looking at things through a fair, worldly perspective. I don't want some clout-hungry TikTok or Twitter users causing more division and tension among us minorities when there's more than enough of that.
thing is, i dont know Boa at all, but in this clip there's no context behind their laughter
there's just a question and a straightforward answer
BoA could be the most colorist person in the world but this clip is no proof of it at all
if someone said Nako's first impression was her extremely short height, would people call it heightist? I doubt it. Yet it's just as much of a unique genetic trait of hers as Hyoyeon's tan skin is/was.
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it was not needed honestly. waiting for an apology or something. because really.
but the fact that op only mentioned karina and not that boa was the main problem here, it stinks. the way this video was edited and made karina laugh zoom so loudly, when that is literally hyoyeon's voice. she didn't make any noise except "ha" after what boa said, so where's that loud and hard laugh? i mean, she did wrong but they attributed shit to her that she didn't do. people act like she said it and then laughed hard about it. it literally looks like this. like.,. why. clapping with a blank smile on her face, hyo and karina's gaze at the staff member and boa in it all. it was so awkward, I was literally frozen for a sec.
also someone knows something about it?
thing is, i dont know Boa at all, but in this clip there's no context behind their laughter
there's just a question and a straightforward answer
BoA could be the most colorist person in the world but this clip is no proof of it at all
if someone said Nako's first impression was her extremely short height, would people call it heightist? I doubt it. Yet it's just as much of a unique genetic trait of hers as Hyoyeon's tan skin is/was.
I get what you mean, but I think it's the laughter that's giving viewers a bad impression.
What I'm trying to say is...
K-pop is extremely global now. Due to our different upbringings around the world, our minds take what we know from previous experiences and assign that to new content that we're exposed to. For people unfamiliar with Asian culture, they'll instinctively see it as racism because that's the concept they're familiar with when they think of skin color. For people familiar with Asian culture, they'll know this has all to do with colorism, not racism. Race isn't even a subconscious thought when Asians tease each other's skin tone.
What's most disappointing about all of this is that whoever made this TikTok video clearly added the word "black" to race-bait, not caring at all about the repercussions.
I've always believed K-pop could be a great way to bring different cultures around the world together and help us learn more about each other in a positive, uplifting way. To see that it's being used for so much race-baiting is extremely upsetting. You've probably seen how these issues are used for the sake of fanwars; that's one of the most disgraceful parts.
this kind of talk is very normal in SK, you can't expect idols to not say stuff like this as they live in a country when everybody thinks this way....not saying it is okay , many thinks need to change in SK
but you can't look at the issue fromthe western perspective, it's very different
and about Karina ...it's her big big sunbae joking, ofc she would laugh, even Hyo is laughing so Karina would naturally too
there is still long way to go but anyway perspective is very important
Feel like I wanna say something but the people here would just be pressed and blow shit up so ima get outta here
just say it 
Not this tik tok adding the word " black " to make this remark become controversial, even SM in their subtitle used the word tan and not black, this tiktok user intention is so obvious
she used the word tan , not dark ....., people can be tan just by being expose to sun there's nothing wrong with this
and Hyoyeon already said in the past that she was very tan in the past because she was a tomboy who used to spend all her time out, dancing and playing
you're all so obsess in turning everything into a controversy damn '-'
not with the people without knowing the whole context or didnt even watch the whole video commenting on here just to hate 
Some people here just need to accept that Asians hold white skin as their standard of beauty 🤷🏻♀️
These casual remarks are very common and normalized in a lot of Asian countries at least. These are colorists remarks though but they are so ingrained in our daily habits that it is not seen as anything offensive however it may affect the person on the receiving end or let's say any person who heard this and does not meet those beauty standards. It's a huge issue here.
I don't think it should be 'villianised' a lot like antis will do nor should it be excused like fans will do. Maybe try to be more understanding instead of either extremes.
Idols really be forgetting what they looked like before their companies made them shave their Jaws into dorito chins, mutilate their noses and inject them full of glutathione. Its honestly ridiculous how they use having tan skin as an insult when the majority of Koreans have tan skin and all the idols look so much better with their natural skin tones rather than the white powder they cake on to look casket ready. Jeez.
Some people here just need to accept that Asians hold white skin as their standard of beauty 🤷🏻♀️
it is not even that, like Boa literally didn't say anything negative, demeaning or mocking? there were incidences where idols mocked someone's dark skin or used derogatory terms to call them just because of their skin tone, but all what Boa said here is "you're tanned/dark skinned"? like, where is the joke or insult exactly?
Is Hyoyeon upset about the joke?
Probably not. I'm sure she's proud that her fellow SM artists are as colorist as herself.
Boa is 34.
It's a sarcasm
Colorism in Korea is not the same as colorism in the west. It’s not rooted in racism and therefore they don’t see it as a problem to make jokes like this. It is still an issue, but addressing it as if it was a racism issue will lead to nowhere cause they are not doing it out of racism. That’s why the debate between inetz and knetz often lead to resentment.
Also it feels like this situation was taking out of context. Not just that, why is the focus on Karina when it was Boa who made the joke ?
is this supposed to be funny? it's 2022 and you are ageist. grow up and stop embarrassing yourself. you should know better too.
BoA said "까맣게 탔다" which means burnt black (like being burnt black in a fire, or when you burn meat you cooked or a cake you baked; 까맣다 is a verb and it means to be black (as in color black)), but it's also used as an expression that delivers the meaning of "getting a tan" after being in the sun for a long time, or after coming back from a beach vacation.
Just providing some context here (I'm not a native speaker but I have intermediate knowledge of Korean)
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