He seems to be drawing a distinction between religious morality, which he seems to consider personal, and social morality, which is what should inform laws.
But his personal opinion seems to be, uhh... Yeah, I think it's pretty obvious.
what is this anti discrimination law about?
I mean at least he supports distinction between church and state which is a lot more than can be said for a lot of other people
what is this anti discrimination law about?
to prevent discrimination against particular groups of people
He isn't being neutral, he just isn't voicing his position.
He isn't being neutral, he just isn't voicing his position.
He's dodging the bullet. 
Follow the law and stay out of it. Wise plan.
Oh, is this about like gay rights, lol?
Oh, is this about like gay rights, lol?
when I see anti-discrimination and bible in the same sentence, Thats what I assume.
This is meaningless in a vacuum. What's the context? It's totally possible to be in favor of equality but be against a law that is badly written for example. (Not saying this is. I literally have zero idea what the law is.)
Imo, no, there can’t be neutral stance when it comes to equality. Being neutral or not caring is like being against it to me, because it doesn’t really help. It affects the group of people fighting for those laws more than those against it.
Said everything I wanted to say.
Not taking a definite stance in issues of equality is the same thing as being against it.
If someone asked ‘Do you believe women deserve rights?’ You can’t be like maybe they do maybe they don’t I don’t want to talk about it and hide behind your religion.
Looking at the rest of the tweet, yes this is about LGBT+ rights in Korea
qrts are killing me
I don't know what to think?
I mean when we are living in country X or Y then we are supposed to follow the law
now let's say country says there must be gender equality
no complains there
but country also allows anyone to take a religion that they want to
so what your religion teaches you, and how you treat and interpret words from 2000 or older books, or from some pastor/monk/priest (whatever) that's for you to decide
but then again you should keep your mouth shut and not blabber bout it, and also remember that the law in country should always keep your religious views/law beneath,
when I see anti-discrimination and bible in the same sentence, Thats what I assume.
Makes sense he tried to remain neutral then. Isn't he like some leader in his church? Then, he is also in a creative field, which tends to attract people of all walks of life.
Yeah, lol, man tried hard. I bet he was sweating.
He seems to be drawing a distinction between religious morality, which he seems to consider personal, and social morality, which is what should inform laws.
But his personal opinion seems to be, uhh... Yeah, I think it's pretty obvious.
Yeah, he knows what would happen to his label and groups if he ever voiced his true personal beliefs on LGBTQ rights. These beliefs might be fine in Korea (i mean y'all dont want to know about what my family and family friends used to say about LGBTQ people) but he'll end up making waves all across Western SM and not the good kind of waves.
interesting...
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I actually agree with him partially on this. What he said is true, there is a difference between sharing your religious beliefs in a church meeting and in public. Some people pointed out how they thought he kind of avoided the question and didn’t really answer it. I believe someone shouldn’t be forced to answer a question if they don’t want to. In some cases, silence can say more than words ever could. Besides, sometimes when a celebrity is being interviewed and they don’t like a question, they try to avoid it too. I can think of many examples of this, both from idols and western celebrities. True, this question may be seemingly more important, but I stand by my point. Besides, him avoiding the answer is, inadvertently, his answer, in a way.
Other users on here mentioned how he was in a tight spot. First of all, he’s apparently some sort of church leader, so if he says something against the church he’s a part of, that would raise a lot of suspicion as to why he was still even in it and could cause a rift between himself and his congregation, which would not be good news for him. On the other hand, he works in an entertainment company where he probably encounters all kinds of people and if he doesn’t support them, fans and workers would notice and that would also raise suspicion. There’s no easy way out. Also, I heard that South Korea is still not very accepting, so if he said he supported it, a lot of people there might not support him anymore (and we all know how much he cares about his personal success), though I’m sure western fans would appreciate him for it. On the other hand, if he said he didn’t support it, South Korea wouldn’t like him nearly as much anymore, even if most western countries would like him more because of it.
As both a part of the LGBTQIA+ community and an active Christian, I’ll give my perspective on this (though I’m sure it’s obvious by now), however, I can only speak for myself, not anyone else. I think he handled the situation the best he could under his circumstances. Probably better than even I would have under similar conditions. I forgive him for saying this, but I completely understand if others do not feel the same way and I’m willing to listen to differing opinions on this. Have a great day/night!
Makes sense he tried to remain neutral then. Isn't he like some leader in his church? Then, he is also in a creative field, which tends to attract people of all walks of life.
Yeah, lol, man tried hard. I bet he was sweating.
I agree with both of you guys. I think he was simply trying to play it safe and not anger anybody (or as few people as possible). We have to consider stuff like his line of work, religion and geographical location when it comes to him voicing his opinion on such matters. I do wonder though if his opinion would be the same or different if he could freely voice it with no repercussions from anyone or anything. Have a great day/night!
I actually agree with him partially on this. What he said is true, there is a difference between sharing your religious beliefs in a church meeting and in public. Some people pointed out how they thought he kind of avoided the question and didn’t really answer it. I believe someone shouldn’t be forced to answer a question if they don’t want to. In some cases, silence can say more than words ever could. Besides, sometimes when a celebrity is being interviewed and they don’t like a question, they try to avoid it too. I can think of many examples of this, both from idols and western celebrities. True, this question may be seemingly more important, but I stand by my point. Besides, him avoiding the answer is, inadvertently, his answer, in a way.
Other users on here mentioned how he was in a tight spot. First of all, he’s apparently some sort of church leader, so if he says something against the church he’s a part of, that would raise a lot of suspicion as to why he was still even in it and could cause a rift between himself and his congregation, which would not be good news for him. On the other hand, he works in an entertainment company where he probably encounters all kinds of people and if he doesn’t support them, fans and workers would notice and that would also raise suspicion. There’s no easy way out. Also, I heard that South Korea is still not very accepting, so if he said he supported it, a lot of people there might not support him anymore (and we all know how much he cares about his personal success), though I’m sure western fans would appreciate him for it. On the other hand, if he said he didn’t support it, South Korea wouldn’t like him nearly as much anymore, even if most western countries would like him more because of it.
As both a part of the LGBTQIA+ community and an active Christian, I’ll give my perspective on this (though I’m sure it’s obvious by now), however, I can only speak for myself, not anyone else. I think he handled the situation the best he could under his circumstances. Probably better than even I would have under similar conditions. I forgive him for saying this, but I completely understand if others do not feel the same way and I’m willing to listen to differing opinions on this. Have a great day/night!
i agree here's the rub. Many people even those talking shit about him on here are the performative fake woke shit. They can talk because they are not in a situation where they have anything to lose. He's in a spot where picking one side can end everything not just for him but also the thousands of people he employs
So him being neutral or silent on a serious matter is a very smart idea. That's a lose lose situation damned if you do damned if you don't so the best move is to not play.
Alot of the folks talking shit here and on the cesspool that is Twitter Would be singing a different tune if their actions or words on a subject could mean they lose something of serious significance to them they would weigh their options very wisely then.
Try being responsible for others it truly humbles you as it makes you realize that you have to be careful about thing's as others literally rely on you, and sometimes for life such as children.
Imo, no, there can’t be neutral stance when it comes to equality. Being neutral or not caring is like being against it to me, because it doesn’t really help. It affects the group of people fighting for those laws more than those against it.
Problem with these conservative Christian millionaires is that they’re actually deeply anti-LGBTQ yet they have no problem pandering to said groups and taking their money, but don’t support their social rights.
Also many social laws created in conservative countries like Korea are based on the Biblical definitions of what is considered moral, so no he doesn’t support the idea of separation of church and state.
Furthermore, I agree with others that he is remaining “neutral” just for the sake of his company not being blacklisted by both the conservative people of Korea (who by the way probably don’t even buy his shit) or the more liberal youth who actually listen to kpop.
Imo, no, there can’t be neutral stance when it comes to equality. Being neutral or not caring is like being against it to me, because it doesn’t really help. It affects the group of people fighting for those laws more than those against it.
Exactly. Plus he doesn’t truly have a neutral stance. He’s a conservative Christian leader so we know what his stance is.
And also popular figures like him don’t realize how influential their words are when it comes to shaping how society moves forward with their laws.
It’s sad that for such a financially developed country there are laws that can’t be passed because of medieval thinking by many old folks who are in power.
Imo, no, there can’t be neutral stance when it comes to equality. Being neutral or not caring is like being against it to me, because it doesn’t really help. It affects the group of people fighting for those laws more than those against it.
This is very generalized… are there really people who are neutral about every type of inequality? There are inequality in so many different areas, towards various groups of people. People tend to be more passionate towards equality when it has to do with issues directly affecting them or the people close to them. You can’t care about every social inequality with the same energy, so you rather focus on one or two issues and try to fight against that.
It’s better to let people fight inequality in areas they know enough about and care enough. Not everyone has to fight the same fight… it’s also not possible.
So if your input wouldn’t help either sides, it’s better to stay silence about it. It’s better than fighting against it. You can’t put this on the same level.
It’s even important to have people who view certain issues in a more neutral way… cause unlike those who argument from a biased pov, they look at things from a objective pov.
I think hes just making the distinction between religious beliefs and those a society should carry. I don't think anything is that bad with what he said. Sounds like his beliefs are LGBT are bad/wrong, but believes (at least in principle) that in society we shouldnt discriminate against ppl.
Its a nuanced approach that more people should adopt instead of thinking their beliefs should be paramount in society. Society should try to be fair overall, instead of pushing one set of beliefs.
I think hes just making the distinction between religious beliefs and those a society should carry. I don't think anything is that bad with what he said. Sounds like his beliefs are LGBT are bad/wrong, but believes (at least in principle) that in society we shouldnt discriminate against ppl.
Its a nuanced approach that more people should adopt instead of thinking their beliefs should be paramount in society. Society should try to be fair overall, instead of pushing one set of beliefs.
I get it, but unfortunately Christian leaders such as him in Korea have a big influence on how governments builts its laws. People love to pretend that modern society practices separation of Church and State, but unfortunately many developed nations still base their laws on Biblical text.
Until popular public figures such as JYP change their actual beliefs to accept the LGBTQ community and support anti-discrimination laws then the queer community will always be osctracized and discriminated against by government.
Display MoreThis is very generalized… are there really people who are neutral about every type of inequality? There are inequality in so many different areas, towards various groups of people. People tend to be more passionate towards equality when it has to do with issues directly affecting them or the people close to them. You can’t care about every social inequality with the same energy, so you rather focus on one or two issues and try to fight against that.
It’s better to let people fight inequality in areas they know enough about and care enough. Not everyone has to fight the same fight… it’s also not possible.
So if your input wouldn’t help either sides, it’s better to stay silence about it. It’s better than fighting against it. You can’t put this on the same level.
It’s even important to have people who view certain issues in a more neutral way… cause unlike those who argument from a biased pov, they look at things from a objective pov.
You have no idea what the original post even meant and to read your response gave me second hand embarrassment.
I'm surprised people automatically assume he's anti-LGBT. He said he had a personal opinion but didn't think it would fit there (bible studies), sounds to me like he could just as well be supportive. Also he clearly spoke about a separation of social issues and morality according to believers. Most hardcore Christians I know very much want their morals to be state morals. That's the whole reason why the US is such a shit show now.
then again what he said was also very careful and thought out not to piss off either the socially conscious (cause he makes it clear society doesn't have to adher to Christian morals) and the believers (cause they can discuss their own values among themselves) so who knows what he actually thinks.
Display MoreThis is very generalized… are there really people who are neutral about every type of inequality? There are inequality in so many different areas, towards various groups of people. People tend to be more passionate towards equality when it has to do with issues directly affecting them or the people close to them. You can’t care about every social inequality with the same energy, so you rather focus on one or two issues and try to fight against that.
It’s better to let people fight inequality in areas they know enough about and care enough. Not everyone has to fight the same fight… it’s also not possible.
So if your input wouldn’t help either sides, it’s better to stay silence about it. It’s better than fighting against it. You can’t put this on the same level.
It’s even important to have people who view certain issues in a more neutral way… cause unlike those who argument from a biased pov, they look at things from a objective pov.
When i was writing what i put, I was thinking more about the opinion on anti-discrimination laws in regards to equality.
When discussing whether there should be laws to prevent discrimination or harassment towards certain groups, I don’t think there can be a middle ground. Some can have an indifferent feeling or personal belief held toward certain groups but in the end you’re either for these laws or you’re not. It can’t be picking and choosing, It has to be all yes or all no with equality(imo).
Idk if that made sense but that’s best way to explain what I mean.
(Sorry this was late reply)
Display MoreWhen i was writing what i put, I was thinking more about the opinion on anti-discrimination laws in regards to equality.
When discussing whether there should be laws to prevent discrimination or harassment towards certain groups, I don’t think there can be a middle ground. Some can have an indifferent feeling or personal belief held toward certain groups but in the end you’re either for these laws or you’re not. It can’t be picking and choosing, It has to be all yes or all no with equality(imo).
Idk if that made sense but that’s best way to explain what I mean.
(Sorry this was late reply)
Ok got you. Yeah I agree. It makes no sense to be against Laws that prevent discrimination. There is no middle ground for that.
Sorry that I misunderstood you at first, I was very tired when I read your post and replied lol.
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