Why do people always try to put down BTS success?

1. Bitterness that BTS has surpassed their faves

2. Jealousy that their faves don't have the same success as BTS

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I see this with almost no artist as strong as with BTS

For me no one is underplayed more on this forum than EXO.

So I guess this perspective depends on whom you stan.

It's normal when you are at the top

People may be salty or else but I think they can admit BTS are the undisputed #1 group

BTS aren’t that much downplayed compared to twice personally

In my case, i kinda hate that their fans think succes=quality. Yeah, BTS make nice music, but for some is like they are the best band in the world, and not, they are the most popular band in the world but not the best. They dont bring nothing new to the scene, nothing ground-breaking, and in the end they are just a product of a company. That is why they are now making songs in english even if only one member can sing in english. So, i dont hate BTS, i hate their crazy fans.

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People may be salty or else but I think they can admit BTS are the undisputed #1 group

unless your name ends in "house"

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unless your name ends in "house"

I don’t take this user seriously he/she has shitty taste in music

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In my case, i kinda hate that their fans think succes=quality. Yeah, BTS make nice music, but for some is like they are the best band in the world, and not, they are the most popular band in the world but not the best. They dont bring nothing new to the scene, nothing ground-breaking, and in the end they are just a product of a company. That is why they are now making songs in english even if only one member can sing in english. So, i dont hate BTS, i hate their crazy fans.

Their company is more of a product of BTS, actually, since they basically built it from the ground up. Also, in their interviews they are acting like they would like to continue to make music primarily in Korean.

I saw antis chucking down BTS's win in AMas as mass voting. But so? Imagine having that many people so passionate about you to make you win 3/3 awards?

Ain't that a strength?

Everytime, BTS wins something, breaks records, they belittle it to luck, timing, mass voting. mass buying... And what?! even saying BTS has no musical merit in anon?! (To that coward, I dare you to say it here!)

Also having fans who buy your albums, stream your music and vote for you isn't the insult you antis think it is! It is a huuuuge asset!!

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I saw antis chucking down BTS's win in AMas as mass voting. But so? Imagine having that many people so passionate about you to make you win 3/3 awards?

Ain't that a strength?

Everytime, BTS wins something, breaks records, they belittle it to luck, timing, mass voting. mass buying... And what?! even saying BTS has no musical merit in anon?! (To that coward, I dare you to say it here!)

Also having fans who buy your albums, stream your music and vote for you isn't the insult you antis think it is! It is a huuuuge asset!!

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yep, labels can pay for you to have passive streams and radioplay, but they can't pay for you to have a fandom

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I don’t take this user seriously he/she has shitty taste in music

Are you saying this absolute god level song is "shitty"??

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Fans will obviously think their faves are the best?

nothing crazy about it

You must also think your faves are the best right? That's why u stan them

I dont think any Kpop group is the best compare with all the groups out there. But that just me. And ofc i believe my favorite band is one of the best.
A example:

It's not complicated, a lot of kpop stans are real live haters.

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• BTS have sold more albums than Big Bang. Manipulation.

Who?? People still use BB "weak" physical sales as metric to discredit them...

Buuuut yes, BTS success is downplayed a lot and i think it's bc nobody thought a k group would become soooo big, it's still unbelievable how BTS is a top act ww and tbh every cb their numbers increase so i guess as kpop was/is always a competition some try to invalidate BTS to make it seem like their faves are "relevant" too. Crazy people i would say.

it's always a mixture of various reasons tbh

it all comes down to the famous the more popularity you have, the more haters you have

I don't have any particular strong feelings towards BTS, I like a few songs but I'm defo not an army sooo if you wanna have an ubiased opinion ...I think it's mostly these 3 reasons

1. first of all it's the good old jealousy because their faves could never

@@@e69499db-abcd-4f53-b6f5-423e29d134bb@@@. the group is literally everywhere so unless you are a fan, you might get naturally annoyed by them

3. a part of the fandom is presenting BTS as next Beatles and people are annoyed by it - edit: what I mean is a part of fandom overhypes them too much and people get annoyed by it, take the Beatles part just as a metaphor

But at the end of the day as long as haters are throwing a tantrum, you know your faves are super popular....in an ideal world it wouldn't be like that but oh well

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Oh I don't mean it like that. But it was an issue back then because BTS as a Nugu group suddenly sold more than BigBang.

I think people will never get over the success of BTS, but lets wait until someday another group comes for some BTS records, then suddenly they are unreachable, lol.

The issue was digital numbers, but i understood.

And yes, BTS are at a place where no kpop act comes closer, their fandom and gp recognition is unbelievable high. Nobody is touching them. Nobody. And I'm saying it with their overall numbers and achievements in mind.

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I see this with almost no artist as strong as with BTS and a few others, which I won't mention them by name now.

Whenever BTS was successful with something, especially Kpop stans find a reason to downgrade this success again.

It really stretches out over the years:

• BTS have sold more albums than Big Bang and EXO. Manipulation.
• BTS have won the first Daesang. Hardly any competition
• BTS won the "Social Artist" award against Justin Bieber. Fan voting only. Mass voting. JB's fans were lazy.
• BTS made it to the TOP 10 of the Billboard Hot 100. Only with the help of Feature Artists.
• BTS got their first #1 with Dynamite. Mass buying.
• BTS survived several weeks at #1 with Butter. Weak competition.
• BTS won an American daesang. Yeah, but other groups were bigger.

And and and...

And now I see comments that want to make this success bad. Comparing them with other giant groups as if it would change something. No wonder Armys are so protective of BTS, with all the crap they have to listen to.

What I also always find very interesting is that the standard of the opposing group, measured against the success of BTS, is always set higher. According to the motto, we will find a group that is superior to BTS.

First it was EXO, then BigBang, then One Direction, then New Kids on the Block and what's next.... Jackson Five or just Michael Jackson?

There are so many people who just feel envious and jealous over any success and then there are people like me who just see a hard working group that has had nothing but stone put in their way for years and they overcame that with teamwork and great and loyal fans. I call that respect.

Of course, you can't force someone to dislike a group. The people who don't like BTS will have their reasons, but if you don't have anything nice to say, you should just keep quiet.

My fullest respect to BTS. For what they achieved and for what they will achieve in the future.

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Fake Love was not a featured artist. What the hell are they on

Hate goes hand in hand with success

A mentality that is getting more toxic everyday

Imagine belittling, bashing an artist for having a huge fan base

Only happens to BTS

Jealousy and insecurity.

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Fans will obviously think their faves are the best?

nothing crazy about it

You must also think your faves are the best right? That's why u stan them

It becomes a problem when these same fans (who act like BTS can do no wrong musically) attack others for sharing an opinion that they don't agree with. If you say you don't like something, then you get attacked. I'm tired of people acting like it's not true. I've been a casual listener since their debut and this is just the reality.

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it's always a mixture of various reasons tbh

it all comes down to the famous the more popularity you have, the more haters you have

I don't have any particular strong feelings towards BTS, I like a few songs but I'm defo not an army sooo if you wanna have an ubiased opinion ...I think it's mostly these 3 reasons

1. first of all it's the good old jealousy because their faves could never

2. the group is literally everywhere so unless you are a fan, you might get naturally annoyed by them

3. a part of the fandom is presenting BTS as next Beatles and people are annoyed by it

But at the end of the day as long as haters are throwing a tantrum, you know your faves are super popular....in an ideal world it wouldn't be like that but oh well

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BTS got insane hate every moment in their career, from when they were nugus to now when they are ww domiant act, that's what the OP explores. So much hate that even the members addressed it...

2) Like I said, they are NOW everywhere, deservedly so... because they are just that successful. Not their fault, nor the fault of their fans... and certainly it doesn't explain how they got insane hate even when they were not "everywhere".

3) Also, nobody is presenting BTS as the next Beatles, that was some of the media at the start. Yoongi even refused when he was asked about that. And ARMYs don't want BTS to be treated as the second anything, when they are writing history as themselves.

So, I guess before... it was superiority complex of certain companies' fans and now it's jealousy.

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That's true for all groups

have u tried to share polarizing opinions for other groups u stan?

I actually have shared polarizing opinions about the music because I don't mindlessly love everything they release but you usually don't see the same result when you're within the fandom. Now, if you're outside the fandom, you must be a hater and not just someone with their own opinion. K-pop logic.

It will always happen to those on top, especially when everything is a competition.

Without the competitiveness K-pop wouldn't thrive as much.

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BTS got insane hate every moment in their career, from when they were nugus to now when they are ww domiant act, that's what the OP explores. So much hate that even the members addressed it...

2) Like I said, they are NOW everywhere, deservedly so... because they are just that successful. Not their fault, nor the fault of their fans... and certainly it doesn't explain how they got insane hate even when they were not "everywhere".

3) Also, nobody is presenting BTS as the next Beatles, that was some of the media at the start. Yoongi even refused when he was asked about that. And ARMYs don't want BTS to be treated as the second anything, when they are writing history as themselves.

So, I guess before... it was superiority complex of certain companies' fans and now it's jealousy.

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Don't worry I know all of this...the reasons I've listed is just something I explored being outside of the fandom but listening to them sometimes

The amount of hate they received as rookies was kinda normal tho...not saying it should be normal but it happens a lot if you look at the other groups which are getting successful ...

2.) I'm not saying they don't deserve it...it's just certain people get annoyed by this...again it's not a correct attitude but it happens A LOT and not only with popular groups but also movies, series etc

3.) Well there is a part of fandom who does that so ...don't take the Beatles part that literally ....what I meant was some armies expect the other people to see BTS as they see them and well the fans tend to overhype their faves so there is that...people get annoyed by it and it creates a friction

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BTS made it to the TOP 10 of the Billboard Hot 100. Only with the help of Feature Artists.

The funny thing is that Fake Love hit #10 almost a year before Boy with Luv came out lmao

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BTS have won the first Daesang. Hardly any competition

Who said this? EXO was huge competition until 2018.

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BTS survived several weeks at #1 with Butter. Weak competition.

And who said this?

Olivia Rodrigo? Justin Bieber? Dua Lipa? Doja Cat/SZA? Competition was enormous during Butter's run.

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Don't worry I know all of this...the reasons I've listed is just something I explored being outside of the fandom but listening to them sometimes

The amount of hate they received as rookies was kinda normal tho...not saying it should be normal but it happens a lot if you look at the other groups which are getting successful ...

2.) I'm not saying they don't deserve it...it's just certain people get annoyed by this...again it's not a correct attitude but it happens A LOT and not only with popular groups but also movies, series etc

3.) Well there is a part of fandom who does that so ...don't take the Beatles part that literally ....what I meant was some armies expect the other people to see BTS as they see them and well the fans tend to overhype their faves so there is that...people get annoyed by it and it creates a friction

Hmmm, I don't see ARMYS here equating BTS to Beatles. It's some journo from the UK, I think.

Anyhow, I think what ARMYS are saying is 'BTS is legendary' ( which is true). And I think we only say it in BTS related threads.

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That were all comments I have read once. I didn't make a photo so I can't prove it too but I have read it. And I didn't mean they were right, I just meant what bullshit I read on Twitter or wherever.

Imagine downplaying legitimately popular acts to get a dig in at BTS. Pathetic.