BTS BILLBOARD SUCCESS IS NOT ORGANIC

wait till the title gets changed here as well

this is literally what every kpop fandom does

Oh! So you're that kid who believes that only measure of success is when the company pushes your songs by paying the radio to play your songs even if people don't like them or adding your songs on the playlists of people who don't even know you.

The whole thing of songs being "organic" is sooo stupid and cringe

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are you 12 to be calling everything cringe??

Yes

Yes, you are here and we have noticed you.

Target achieved.

We already know that, NEXT

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This explains why you are so mad at Armys doing it for BTS

Apparently this kid is an ARMY but still doesn't even know how BTS' Billboard journey has gone.

Just another attention seeker on the forum me thinks.

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Apparently this kid is an ARMY but still doesn't even know how BTS' Billboard journey has gone.

Just another attention seeker on the forum me thinks.

If you can't get it elsewhere, you have to do it on forum!

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If you can't get it elsewhere, you have to do it on forum!

Honestly speaking I have seen this user and vaguely remember from the old forum but I guess they want to now come off as "BTS fan who hates ARMYs" because that's trending now and looks "cool" on the Internet.

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Honestly speaking I have seen this user and vaguely remember from the old forum but I guess they want to now come off as "BTS fan who hates ARMYs" because that's trending now and looks "cool" on the Internet.

That is even more cringe! Lol!

I mean yeah ofc it isn't organic, BTS doesn't have a large enough fandom within the american general public to help maintain it's spot, which is why when armys run out of money the song just drops.

what exactly is considered organic? let's ditch those methods, whatever they are, for one week, and let's see how organic both bts and western artists are

There have been an unusually high concentration of troll threads about BTS lately

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what exactly is considered organic? let's ditch those methods, whatever they are, for one week, and let's see how organic both bts and western artists are

A song that is supported by the general public ???

If Army was to ditch their crowdfunding methods, both permission to dance and butter would drop out of the BB200 because it is not organically pushed - meaning, the american general public isn't listening to it, buying it and therefore helping it maintain it's chart placement.

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A song that is supported by the general public ???

and how do you know what the general public likes when payola (among other things) is everywhere? ditch the payola first, then we'll see what gp actually likes, let songs grow organically. none of the songs are organic, it's the method that's different

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yes but my kpop fandom isnt big enough to get my fave on number 1 for billboard

And that's the difference between complaining about ARMYs and being one.

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The whole thing of songs being "organic" is sooo stupid and cringe

You're right. It doesn't even mean anything.

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A song that is supported by the general public ???

If Army was to ditch their crowdfunding methods, both permission to dance and butter would drop out of the BB200 because it is not organically pushed - meaning, the american general public isn't listening to it, buying it and therefore helping it maintain it's chart placement.

The GP isn't listening to the Hot 100, a lot of people don't listen to what BB deems "popular". Only younger people do, and they're not all of America.

You're not gonna tell me parents and full-time workers are streaming and buying Stay by The Kid Laroi, most Americans wouldn't know the fuck he is.

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A song that is supported by the general public ???

If Army was to ditch their crowdfunding methods, both permission to dance and butter would drop out of the BB200 because it is not organically pushed - meaning, the american general public isn't listening to it, buying it and therefore helping it maintain it's chart placement.

Organically pushed meaning payola, playlisting and the likes?

With BTS, it's easy to see what songs are popular with the Korean GP.

GP favorites: Dyna and BWL

Cult classics with great longevity that are super popular with casual and hardcore Army: Butter and Spring Day

One week wonders that are unknown to GP: DNA, Idol, Fake Love, On

Underperformers: LGO, PTD, Black Swan, Mic Drop

(I excluded Savage Love because that's a Derulo song, BTS are guest stars)

With respect to Dyna and Butter specifically, they both got major push by Columbia, Perry was quoted as saying he was gonna make it his personal mission to get #1 for BTS on Hot 100 with Dyna. Dyna was specifically designed to accomplish this purpose, it really wasnt about BTS creatively at all since they had no input. We all know about the 800 remix versions as well.

However, i still think Dyna was more "organic" in terms of its appeal and popularity than Butter. I think it genuinely made some American GP take notice of BTS, with the language barrier gone. I HATE the song but it's clear that people here genuinely enjoyed it.

Butter was coproduced by Perry himself and his SO. Does anyone really think Perry would've let Butter flop? I'm sure Sony and Columbia DID EVERYTHING POSSIBLE to get Butter its megahit status. Whatever it took, they did. This is definitely the least organic hit this year. The sad thing is, it's a much better song than Dyna (and PTD is better still).

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I actually think Spring Day would be a GP favourite seeing as it is still charting in Korean Charts

Possible, i can see rando Korean GP liking it since it's a ballad. Personally i dont see the appeal, it's decent, but BTS has much better ballads out there. Like Magic Shop could be the best boy ballad in history ngl, and to see Spring Day get this kind of recognition instead makes me .

Since some of you obviously don't know how GP works here is a fact. None of your favs are popular with the "GP", well unless you stan Michael Jackson.

The GP that listen to music aren't GP. They are music fans. Those aren't GP. GP is someone that doesn't listen to music or atleast the specific type of music.

You may get a few people from the GP interested but you won't have the attention of atleast a quarter of the GP.

But GP is the source of every single "fan"

Casual fans, hardcore fans etc. I was part of the GP(in musical terms) until I started listening to Ariana Grande, then I became a casual fan and eventually a hardcore fan.

The only way you can even measure "GP" growth is fandom growth. How many casual fans are you turning into hardcore fans?

Basically, the actual GP isn't interested in your favs.