aespa is going THROUGH it this past week

    Do you think aespa are good performers? 36

    1. No (24) 67%
    2. Yes (12) 33%

    I don't normally post about the usually crazed and toxic discourse on X/twitter, but the conversation about aespa's Good Morning America stage has breached containment on that messy platform. All week I've seen articles and threads popping up on Reddit, PC, HERE, and pretty much any platform that discusses K-Pop.


    In fact, it's made so much noise in our international K-Pop spaces that it became a hot issue in Korea.


    [instiz] RICH MAN'S RESULTS HAVE BEEN POOR SINCE THE GMA APPEARANCE


    I feel like this week, they will lose their #4 spot to ADP..


    original post: here


    1. Hul... losing to ADP?


    2. I feel like they actually got noise marketing though.. because it was my first time listening to their song when I saw the stageㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ the more I listen to the song, the more addicted I became


    3. It's true that I stopped listening to it after GMA


    4. I stopped listening to it after hearing the original ㅜㅜ


    5. Rather than GMA's effect, the song itself is just bad


    6. GMA might have affected it too but I only listened to it because I searched it up...


    7. aespa's haters are so severe...


    8. What a rude post to make and the comments are rude too..ㅋㅋ


    9. ADP are amazing


    10. They only lost around 100 listeners...? Can your bias even make it to the #4 spot


    The last time I saw something like this was LE SSERAFIM's Coachella stage, where the noise ifans made was so loud that it became a top story in Korea and even made their nationally broadcasted news networks.


    For what it's worth, I think aespa are fine performance wise. I've seen them twice this year alone, so I feel like I have more credibility than some faceless hater hiding behind a screen.


    But now I'm curious what AKP thinks :eyes:


    Time for a poll. I promise I won't edit this one in any way. But it will be PUBLIC.


    And you can't make this up. Rich Man just started on my YT Music autoplay. This thread was destined to be :pepe-joy:

    This is child’s play :!: find me an era aespa isn’t being criticized or harassed for either their vocals or visuals or performances or music…..you can’t because their list is endless :!:


    Aespa are still charting in top 4 in Korea which fluctuates up and back! They still have 2 songs in top 10 and 3 songs in the top 15 ^^ they’re also not doing too bad internationally as most people are making out! Better than majority in 4th gen :!:


    It’s just online hate from the usual sad bunch and hybe employees still obsessed over aespa!


    Can’t go 1 whole day without seeing an aespa article with Lsfm in comparison ^^:!: can this company be anymore obvious :!: even Knetz are saying the same thing! It’s ridiculous :!:

  • AllKill VIP

    2 things that have always stood out as obvious issues.


    Their choreography: it's almost always terrible with a few exceptions. Not only that, but it's heavily dependent on music show cameras and they don't adapt it for other occasions. They are not and have never been exceptional dancers, why even bother with it.


    Wanting to be fierce but needing to be pretty: this is a problem for a lot of groups. They want a badass/bad girl concept but can't shake the need to be pretty and put together at every angle. Instead of really feeling themselves on stage and letting themselves have fun, it's just a smoldering look on a blank face and calling it stage presence.


    Drama was the era with their best performances and you could tell they were really having fun with it. Last year's performances were great too because the songs were fun. Dirty work and rich man feel too try hard and it kinda reflects in the performance


    Granted, I've never been to a concert and it could be an entirely different experience there.

    As much as I felt it was wrong, I still felt like Le Sserafim's reputation havent really recovered in Korea after that Coachella controversy.


    They basically went from every song challenging for top 3 to 8-22-9. I dont think the impact to Aespa will be that bad because GMA isnt really a big event but the more the media covers this in Korea the worse it gets, they are not doing any favours to any kpop groups

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    As much as I felt it was wrong, I still felt like Le Sserafim's reputation havent really recovered in Korea after that Coachella controversy.


    They basically went from every song challenging for top 3 to 8-22-9. I dont think the impact to Aespa will be that bad because GMA isnt really a big event but the more the media covers this in Korea the worse it gets, they are not doing any favours to any kpop groups

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    I think back then, LSF weren’t as impactful, either individually or as a group, as aespa is today. Aespa are strong enough to handle this, and they’re really dominant domestically.

    They're ok. Not much better or worse than other GGs, and GMA is not the worst live that's gotten backlash.


    They've improved through the years, but a lot of their choreos are not good.. Rich Man is almost shocking.

    Quote from vzal

    They are terrible live performers and their fans are way too loud for a group that is only relevant in SK and Thailand so yeah can't say I am sad about this hate train. They had it coming :teddy-pepe:

    they literally own the whole asia what are you smoking?? korean, china, even japan, thailand, sea too.


    and they're a vocal powerhouse. they are miles ahead amongst the top groups of their gen.


    pff.

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    they literally own the whole asia what are you smoking?? korean, china, even japan, thailand, sea too.


    and they're a vocal powerhouse. they are miles ahead amongst the top groups of their gen.


    pff.

    Just because the bar is in hell doesn’t mean they’re vocal powerhouse. NN and Winter are top tier vocalists and Karina is great for a lead, Giselle is just better than average.

    my probleme isn't aespa, it's sm.


    they're the ones who force them to lipsync, the ones who don't send back up dancers when it's necessary for the specific choreo. also and it's very important, i feel like they really OVERWORK the girls. atp they just look tired and sometimes malnourished too.


    but I saw their videos from summer sonic japan this year, and they were FANSTASTIC. live and everything. their seoul concerts this year were great to!


    honeslty, both winter and ninging are great performers and both main vocals! karina is good too. they're a powerful group in my opinion. they've been killing it specially since the drama era.


    one mid tier performance isn't gonna undermine years of great performances, not matter how hard tag pr tries to convince people otherwise. atp only people who are biased against them would swallow that propaganda anyway.


    sm is really problematic in these regards but the girls gets critised instead. and when you become a top group, you get the hybe media smear compaing on your *ss 24/07. and countless jealous and bitter fandoms trying to bring your faves down too.


    what they are going through this year in terms of smear compaing and media harrassement is insane and it reminds me of what bp and njz girls are going through. even before the conflict with hybe. but it seems specially vicious against aespa and specifically karina. she's like almsot the next jennie in terms of media harrassment and hate trains atp.


    hybe is so obvious trying to 'rehabilitate' sserafim while dragging aespa down. with all these negative articles about aespa in contrast to articles praising ssera. but it won't work because the aespa girls can actually sing :pepe-bonk: .


    and i disagree with some people here, all the members except giselle are good dancers. not just decent, they have real talent in this art. specially winter and ningning. but karina too obviously. they may not be classical main dancer material but they're all well rounded ACES. that's even better.


    anyway, it's just another hate train, but those things don't work much on ORGANIC and TALENDED groups bango, because many people GENUINELY enjoy their music and LOVE the girls. that's why njz, bp, aespa will still be beloved by real people outside of their twitter/tiktok hate trains :pepe-tea: .


    i recommend the girls just to focus on the positive things, take care of their mental and physical health, enjoy their work and improve themeselves or their envioronement if needed. stay zen girlies we already know you're very hardwoking. listen to:


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    the next time you write whatever this is supposed to be (not reading any of this) spoiler it pls

    How do you know it’s SM and not the girls? How do you know they don’t only feel comfortable singing live 1/10 times? Just because they sang live on some occasions doesn’t mean they have the confidence to do it every time after all. That’s what sets apart a seasoned performer from a non seasoned one.


    I remember when twice were ridiculed for their singing and lives and lip sync’s almost all of the time but concert after concert and performance after performance they built up their skill set. Thats how groups grow.


    Imo Aespa haven’t yet gained the confidence to consistently sing live like many other groups. I don’t necessarily think this is a company issue.

  • AllKill VIP
    Quote from z1

    As much as I felt it was wrong, I still felt like Le Sserafim's reputation havent really recovered in Korea after that Coachella controversy.


    They basically went from every song challenging for top 3 to 8-22-9. I dont think the impact to Aespa will be that bad because GMA isnt really a big event but the more the media covers this in Korea the worse it gets, they are not doing any favours to any kpop groups

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    Quote from echo-sage

    I think back then, LSF weren’t as impactful, either individually or as a group, as aespa is today. Aespa are strong enough to handle this, and they’re really dominant domestically.

    Aespa will not be impacted

    If you look at the koreans forum, most of them aren't even criticizing aespa and are actually criticizing lee jung, which choregraphed Rich Man

    And the critics for the choregraphy were happening on korea forum since the concert performance

    The choregraphy was too lacking and too messy compare to what they are used to do with Renan


    But well they tried to expand by working with other choregraphers and it didn't work out

    So hopefully SM stop with this mess and bring back Renan


    Also LSRF and Aespa situation are very different

    LSRF was impacted so much because they were having bad vocals again and again, they were already criticize during fearless era for their vocals

    Then the 2 encore stage for "easy" happen and they were criticize for their bad vocals again

    And then the infamous coachella happen again and LSRF didn't recover from their encore stage controversy

    And coachella was kinda like the final nail in the coffin for koreans that make them think that lsrf "weren't working hard enough" to improve


    History teach us that koreans doesn't care about bad performance

    But they'll not forgive a bad vocal performance especially if it's something that repeat 2-3 times

    And sadly it's what happens to LSRF


    Aespa aren't in the same situation cuz they are criticizing their performance and not their vocal and kr actually often praise aespa vocals

    So it'll be easier for them to recover from it


    The LSRF/Aespa situation

    Kinda remind me the Twice/blackpink situation


    Where Twice got criticize for their bad vocals and were never able to recover in korea because of it even if their performance was great they kept this bad singer image and their digital performance flopped

    And on the other side you have Blackpink who didn't receive critics for their bad vocal but receive a lot of critics for their performance during the "lazy jennie" era

    And were able to recover as if nothing happen


    Koreans will forgive a bad performance once in a while

    But they rarely forget a bad vocal performance

    Speak your truth Shaman, don't let anyone else's hate bring you down


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    Quote from vzal

    They are terrible live performers and their fans are way too loud for a group that is only relevant in SK and Thailand so yeah can't say I am sad about this hate train. They had it coming :teddy-pepe:

    Not bad for a group only relevant in SK and thailand :pepe-flirt:


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    Define good?


    I think they’re average at best, and when compared to their 4th gen peers they’re below them imo . I can’t confidently say they’re better than Itzy, Idle, Nmixx, NewJeans, Le Sserafim, IVE, Kep1er, Billlie, Purple Kiss, Stayc, etc.


    I know NingNing and Winter have killer vocals but it doesn’t mean much when most of their performances are lip synced and they have poor choreography. I think the biggest issue is mic isn’t on and they seemed to go with trendy choreographers rather than better quality choreographers that can hide areas that need improvement. Maybe I’m wrong for saying this but I noticed their choreography that have been below average involved using popular choreographers from street women fighter who may not be the best at providing proper choreography for an idol


    Aespa is a group with potential that may not be realized due to SM decisions

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    There are 4 members. Why did you not comment on 25% of the group


    ;judgingpepe::pepe-tea:

    giselle is good too, even tho a weak dancer, but overall she is just inconsitant and lacked a bit of training.


    and it stands out more in a small group where she is put next to literal top tier aces. she would do fine ina group like ive for example. she's on par with someone like rei. eventho i prefer giselle raping.

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    How do you know it’s SM and not the girls? How do you know they don’t only feel comfortable singing live 1/10 times? Just because they sang live on some occasions doesn’t mean they have the confidence to do it every time after all. That’s what sets apart a seasoned performer from a non seasoned one.


    I remember when twice were ridiculed for their singing and lives and lip sync’s almost all of the time but concert after concert and performance after performance they built up their skill set. Thats how groups grow.


    Imo Aespa haven’t yet gained the confidence to consistently sing live like many other groups. I don’t necessarily think this is a company issue.

    it's a company issue. stop the bs.


    girls look bored when they aren't perfoming live. specially during next level era when it was too severe.


    and all the other sm groups even main vocals are forced to lipsynk most of the time. many like taeyeon and wendy were angry at sm for that.


    real live performances take more time to impliment, rehearse etc... and sm is just too greedy and don't give a f*ck to even bother with that most of the time.

    Just stopping by to say: SM, give my goddess a goddamn solo Chinese album. I need more of these vocals.


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    It’s a company issue but not in the way you mean it. SM debuts idols who are not yet confident live performers.



    It’s ok to accept SM groups don’t have a lot of confidence in live performance when they debut. Aespa is just takeing a lot longer than other SM groups to be more live even if it’s not majority live.


    Bottom line is Aespa will sing live when they’re comfortable singing live. At this point they are very obviously not.

    Quote from vzal

    They are terrible live performers and their fans are way too loud for a group that is only relevant in SK and Thailand so yeah can't say I am sad about this hate train. They had it coming :teddy-pepe:

    10 years into career, and 6 out of 9 twice members still can’t hold a note.

    :boompepe:


    Twice fans keep getting brave after Netflix made them relevant again. Supposed Nation’s Girl Group can’t even enter the bottom of Melon.

    I really don't watch enough aespa performances to confidently say 1 way or the other. But I do know I see A LOT of complaints about their performances/concerts, even from their own fans. So while I do agree with some that they probably just receive a lot of unnecessary hate simply because they are aespa, I think there is clearly some truth to them not being the most amazing or consistent performers. But like I have definitely seen performances from them that I've enjoyed and I have read positive reviews of their concerts, I don't think they are just bad performers across the board.

    Aespa are not the best performers, but they have a lot of good performances.


    The problem with Aespa is inconsistency, bad choreo and overworking.

    They are touring non stop since 2023. Making cbs 2-3 times a year, going to every event and festival out there, and other things. They need a good break.

    Quote from CaraFIMIE

    how is this on sm tho


    there are plenty of groups who at least act engaging even with the loudest backtrack.

    Do you not find that there is a sad irony in the fact that Fearnots are the main demographic beefing with Mys on both Twitter and Reddit? If any group of fans could empathize with what aespa dealt with this week, you would think Fearnots would be that group. However, I keep seeing each side trying to spill tea on the other side by posting the worst performances and vocals of each group.

    Aespa aren't good dancers, Karina is imo the weakest main dancer from a big4 group in a while so while some eras they did great performing, I think half of their eras are messy exactly bc sme focus on giving them weird choreo (their weakest category) instead of focusing more on their vocals that I think it's their best category.

    They aren't confident enough too sometimes, they look bored on stage so lack of consistency?

    Overall they aren't terrible, but the times they don't do well they really don't do well and go viral bc of it.

    Quote from monalisalove

    Aespa aren't good dancers, Karina is imo the weakest main dancer from a big4 group in a while so while some eras they did great performing, I think half of their eras are messy exactly bc sme focus on giving them weird choreo (their weakest category) instead of focusing more on their vocals that I think it's their best category.

    They aren't confident enough too sometimes, they look bored on stage so lack of consistency?

    Overall they aren't terrible, but the times they don't do well they really don't do well and go viral bc of it.

    I'm not even trying to be shady, but you could literally replace "aespa" with another group's name, and it would read exactly like all the hate posts I've seen about their concerts (see: the article that just dropped about their Wembley concert).


    Shocking lack of empathy from fans and fan bases who I expect would exhibit it the most.

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    I'm not even trying to be shady, but you could literally replace "aespa" with another group's name, and it would read exactly like all the hate posts I've seen about their concerts (see: the article that just dropped about their Wembley concert).


    Shocking lack of empathy from fans and fan bases who I expect would exhibit it the most.

    I don't understand ?? I can't give my opinion bc I'm a blink ?

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