A lot of K-pop fans don’t like it when idols brag in their raps

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That’s something I observed. It puts a target on their backs.

I think those lyrics are harmless, but a lot of K-pop fans can’t stand it for some reason. They have a strong aversion to the braggadocio often found in hip hop. I’m referring to both I-fans and K-fans.

This is my theory on why the rappers of groups seem to get the most hate. Examples: Jennie, Lisa, RM, Suga, G-Dragon, T.O.P, Soyeon

There’s a certain cockiness to their swag, and a lot of K-pop fans can’t stand that because they expect idols to be perfect, cute, and humble all the time. These rappers I mentioned are humble, but it seems like people just can’t get over the wordplay and the on-screen persona.

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Of course those lyrics are harmless, BUT if that's all they do, it means shit, basically. Also, I can't take the lyrics seriously if it comes from a teen who never experience real life or struggles! Not to mention, didn't write a single line in their lives.

I love diss tracks, but only when it's done right! This in your face madness that many Kpop "rappers" do nowadays, is too much. The best diss tracks are when the target actually doesn't know you're dissing them. If you spell out everything, what's the point?

If I hear: "I'm a billionaire, I'm a pretty girl, I'm on the top, no one is better, you can hate me all you like, but you can never be me." or something like this, well, this is just pure cringe fest! This lacks creativity!

I didn't see any of those people you mentioned getting hate for their diss tracks or if they're bragging about something. Only Lisa and Jennie. To be honest, they don't belong in this conversation, because they're not real rappers, never wrote actual diss tracks, and their rap parts were always cringe, especially if it was about bragging. Mostly because they didn't write it. Like I said, I can't take rich kids seriously, especially if they're not involved in the writing as so called rappers.

The others are clearly knows how to write rap music. I mean, Soyeon debuted in Unpretty Rapstar, it was literally about dissing the competition. GDragon and the rest also proved over the years, they can brag about anything.

I know I will get a lot of heat for this, but other than Lisa and Jennie, there's no problem with the others, because they're real rappers. JenLisa is not! When they actually start writing their own verses, they can be included in this conversation. But so far, they didn't do anything, and pretty much all of their rap parts were about their fame and money.

Real female rappers start with Moonbyul (HIP is the prime example for a good diss track and bragging), "Hwasa - I do me" also a good example, she wrote it as a 15 year old about her own CEO. 😂 Also, CL, Jessi, Hyoyoen, Moonsua, and so many others.

This is why I didn't like IVE's new song either. The lyrics were cringe as hell. I don't remember which song was that, but there were multiple songs from mainstream groups with the same type of lyrics. Even Babymonster had one, and that was also cringe.

So, in short, for those who don't like to read long essays😂:  

Diss track and bragging is good, BUT ONLY if they actually write those lyrics, and they proved themselves already in this game.

I mean, no one take Eminem seriously till he proved himself! And being popular and rich has nothing to do with that!

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I do not mind it but I am a hip hop head. Some people do not like hip hop and rappers have kinda been shoved into groups who do not even really need them.

I second this! This trend has to stop! A group doesn't always need a rapper! Especially if they don't let them write their own parts or don't know how to rap, just wanna act cool.

Just because you wanna be like Meryl Streep, doesn't mean you're Meryl Streep.

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So? The point is it's still not them. Everytime people go about any idol they go "they didn't do X because of Y" and it's like... so you agree, they didn't do X? The reasons are immaterial to the point.

Rap Lyrics from their 2022 song (written by Teddy Park and Danny Chung) -

This the life of a vandal, masked up and I'm still in CELINE

Designer crimes or it wouldn't be me, ooh

Diamonds shining, drive in silence, I don't mind it, I'm riding

Flying private side by side with the pilot up in the sky

Name dropping a fashion label (and wearing designer clothes) and that they get to fly private, not written by them. Bragging about this sort of stuff and not even writing it? Yeah that rap is pretty poor. There's not a single line in the raps that is about what THEY do, what they have done, it's about what they HAVE, what they own, what privileges they have.

Soyeon rap (i tried to pick the most overt commercial song she did, which was the Dolce and Gabbana song she was on, to attempt to keep it fair about fashion label stuff) New Vision -

This is translated some parts.

Yuh, I know, I know art is not a competition

Yuh, I'll tell you the value of my work, reason

Among the same old it's a new colour, new vision

As if influenced by the whole universe

The subtle sense of the song is like aurora

I got a new wave, I'm coarse & dolce

Grab and swallow it all

I'm tipsy you can't catch me

Let it all be smashed

I got a tongue like a chain

Idle is my masterpiece

Even if I spit out anything

This is my vision, ayy

Her lyrics, on a fashion label song, she spends the time bragging about HER, and what she does and what she is doing, not what she owns, or what privileges she has.

See the difference?

The raps are cringy because they're having 30 year old male write about how they (Jennie and Lisa) are cool girls and shit. Beyond parody.

And I'd be fine with honestly and let it sail by if the OP didn't put people who, according to you nebulously and vaguely "helped with input into concepts" compared to people like RM, G-Dragon, Suga and Soyeon in the same sentence.

Soyeon who writes every title track, develops and leads every creative concept for the comeback, whose literally the Executive producer of her Group is compared in the same way to Jennie and Lisa, who have sometimes said they wanted this or that? Please.

I don't think i even need to explain RM/Suga or G-dragon. T.O.P who was an underground rapper and always wrote his own stuff too.

I don't even dislike Lisa and Jennie, but it just is the height of ludicrous suspension of disbelief to put Jennie and Lisa alongside all those other rappers in anyway, shape or form, about the topic at hand.

Bragging raps are fine, but have at least even an ounce of credibility in your bragging rap.

Mantra is at least a foot in the direction.

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ok that's probably one of the few songs ( in the past years) that Behuk didn't contribute just sayinglol

my theory is that they ( YG, producers) prefer other writers to write the English lyrics for whatever reason because like I said Jennie and lisa wrote the rap part for a cover song ( sure thing) they said it.

my point is that they are more than capable especially Jennie to write her stuff. There is probably more than we don't know. I hope they get to write their rap parts for Bp's comeback. so it's not like they can't

i'm okay with bragging but only if lyrics are written by the performer and if it's not done by the kids. kids need to stop bragging. you've just debuted and you are already bragging. ugh. only people who have something to brag about should brag.

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my theory is that they prefer other writers to write the English lyrics for whatever reason

Blackpink have plenty of raps that have korean or are majority Korean.

I don't get this argument at all. Pretty Savage is mostly Korean. DDDD has lots of korean then english words to help rhyme (a lazy trick I dislike, but that's not under discussion here).

There's plenty of raps where they have been in Korean and still no credits from Jennie or Lisa. Again, I would let it pass by if people didnt' constantly insert them into conversations with artists who do. I've got no problem per se with idol rappers. But there's a reason there's a difference in the criticism to their bragging raps compared to Suga or TOP or Soyeon's bragging raps. I know you didn't do it originally, you weren't at fault for making the original comparison.

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Blackpink have plenty of raps that have korean or are majority Korean.

I don't get this argument at all. Pretty Savage is mostly Korean. DDDD has lots of korean then english words to help rhyme (a lazy trick I dislike, but that's not under discussion here).

There's plenty of raps where they have been in Korean and still no credits from Jennie or Lisa. Again, I would let it pass by if people didnt' constantly insert them into conversations with artists who do. I've got no problem per se with idol rappers. But there's a reason there's a difference in the criticism to their bragging raps compared to Suga or TOP or Soyeon's bragging raps. I know you didn't do it originally, you weren't at fault for making the original comparison.

aren't we talking about Rap? Pretty savage and then what else? that song still has a lot of English parts tho

and DDDD is an older song. I guess I should have mentioned in the last few years, which is when they are starting to bragg more in English lol

With the exception of their debut songs most of their songs are MOSTLY in English. Heck, even boombayah and whistle japanese versiosn have English raps

you are missing my point which is that they have written rap parts in cover songs like sure thing. that's my whole argument that they are capable of doing it they have the sass for it lol writing is not that hard tbh. As soon as they starting working with their solo stuff you can see they are getting more involved in their music. let's wait and see if they do it with blackpink's comeback this year.

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you are missing my point which is that they have written rap parts in cover songs like sure thing.

1. How does that even work? What's the point of covering a song if you're not going to honor the original lyrics

2. I think you missed Disevidence's point, also. They aren't saying JenLisa can't rap or that they haven't written their own raps, they're saying that JenLisa's previous work is not enough nor impactful enough to have them being put on the same level as people who can be considered original rap legends.

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my point is that they are more than capable especially Jennie to write her stuff. There is probably more than we don't know. I hope they get to write their rap parts for Bp's comeback. so it's not like they can't

This is something I never understood about Blackpink and BLINKS. The fandom says they can do it, they wrote many things, but didn't get the credit, but the fact is they don't have more than 2 or 3 credit per member in BP, and it can mean 2 things:

1. They didn't care about this at that time

2. YG didn't let them do it, because he thought they're not good writers

In my opinion, it can be both. Why? Because Babymonster girls already wrote more songs, so the only acceptable explanation is that either YG hate BP and just didn't give a flying fck about them, and just turned them into a modeling group that generates millions for them, or the girls just didn't show any willingness.

Now, the problem is that, since they left YGE, pretty much all of them, except Jisoo of course, have at least 2 co-writing credit, and I'm pretty sure Jennie said she wrote and even composed a song for her album. So, they finally want to create their own songs, or as I said, they always wanted to do it, but they weren't good enough and YG didn't let them.

To be fair, the songs they released so far, doesn't prove that they're top quality writers, but I can only judge them if I hear a song that they wrote alone, not with 9 other writers.😂

So far, Rose is the only member who actually had a lot of impact on her music.

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1. How does that even work? What's the point of covering a song if you're not going to honor the original lyrics

Moonbyul did the same thing on Queendom when they covered AOA's song, and she always writes her own rap parts even if they covered someone else's song! They did this on every "Immortal Songs 2" performance as well. It doesn't mean they don't honor the original. A cover is not a copy and paste version, the meaning of a cover is that you have to change the song into your own style.

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This is something I never understood about Blackpink and BLINKS. The fandom says they can do it, they wrote many things, but didn't get the credit, but the fact is they don't have more than 2 or 3 credit per member in BP, and it can mean 2 things:

1. They didn't care about this at that time

2. YG didn't let them do it, because he thought they're not good writers

In my opinion, it can be both. Why? Because Babymonster girls already wrote more songs, so the only acceptable explanation is that either YG hate BP and just didn't give a flying fck about them, and just turned them into a modeling group that generates millions for them, or the girls just didn't show any willingness.

Now, the problem is that, since they left YGE, pretty much all of them, except Jisoo of course, have at least 2 co-writing credit, and I'm pretty sure Jennie said she wrote and even composed a song for her album. So, they finally want to create their own songs, or as I said, they always wanted to do it, but they weren't good enough and YG didn't let them.

To be fair, the songs they released so far, doesn't prove that they're top quality writers, but I can only judge them if I hear a song that they wrote alone, not with 9 other writers.😂

So far, Rose is the only member who actually had a lot of impact on her music.

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well you said it lol also aren't we talking about rap parts (English ).

I'm not talking about writing in general oh boy that's something I won't get into right now. Not really.

Jennie (1), Rose (2) and Jisoo (2) have some writing credits in blackpink very few but at least something it's not like they haven't and now as you can see they have some writing credits in their solo work.

Jennie will release her album this year so we'll see. but so far she still had writing credits. and yes to Rosé ( she is not gonna be the only one)

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well you said it lol also aren't we talking about rap parts (English ).

I'm not talking about writing in general oh boy that's something I won't get into right now. Not really.

Jennie (1), Rose (2) and Jisoo (2) have some writing credits in blackpink very few but at least something it's not like they haven't and now as you can see they have some writing credits in their solo work.

Jennie will release her album this year so we'll see. but so far she still had writing credits. and yes to Rosé ( she is not gonna be the only one)

I don't think we're talking about ENGLISH RAP parts. We're talking about rap parts in general, and I'm pretty sure, other than Jisoo, everyone is fluent in English in Blackpink, but it's not like they can't write lyrics in Korean.

My guess is still a mix of things. YG didn't care enough, because they were already big, and the girls didn't care that much, and honestly, their writing skills weren't as good either, mostly because no one taught them. Not many people born to be great writers. Now, they can learn it if they want. But they won't become the best writers after 1 year, that's for sure. I will judge them after a couple of years, how much their writing skills developed, IF I will follow their work and IF they will do anything.

To be honest, the less popular they become, the more they can be creative. That's how this industry works. After 5-10 years, when they passed their prime, they can do anything, don't have to follow the trends, etc.

but then again a lot of people do like it when idols brag in their raps

different strokes for different folks no?

even if said idol weren't bragging I'm pretty sure some kpop fans wouldn't like it either

idol rap and the larger khh are just not serious about the craft or the culture, so it's not surprising the fans aren't either.

because they have no taste