Why do international fans demands cultural sensitivity for everyone except Koreans?

and Tiffany who, like clockwork, manages to post something referencing Japan and the rising sun on her IG every independence day.

I'm all for cultural sensitivity, but maybe some people are just too sensitive for their own good. Did the other Europeans set aside a special day to "be angry" at the Germans? That's just as recent. What about the various former colonial nations that celebrate an independence day? Do they celebrate their own independence, or do they spend the entire day seething at whatever nation they won their independence from?

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Who genocided the Europeans?

I literally mentioned them in my post. And besides that, you should already know the answer(s) anyway.

Agree and that's why I say kpop idols are dumb when it comes to almost everything. Every year this same issue arises and then they apologize and then it repeats again and again like Koreans are allowed to feel angry when it's such a sensitive and still "fresh" memory for them.

Also I don't think this is a career ending mistake, but it's baffling how idols still make the same mistakes when we had so many examples with Tiffany being the most extreme like.. think for a second and post nothing..

What annoys me is when they say the idol shouldn't apologize, because It's not relevant enough to them. But then complain when koreans miminize the apology of idols for things that are only sensitive to international fans.

Like, It's not for you to accept. Just move on silently.

As someone who was born in and spent most of his formative years in Korea, with grandparents who lived through the occupation, i will offer my two cents :

Koreans need to let this go.

Everyone that was responsible for the occupation is dead. They're gone. It's been 80 years since the occupation which lasted 35 years. How much longer is Korea gonna hold onto this? We've got Communist China building 1000000s of drones, missiles, and ships, North Korea insanity, and Russia's Pacific Fleet lurking. Instead of letting the past stay in the past, we've got Korea still frozen in time, still letting things that happened three generations ago materially impact the literal survival of the entire country. NOW is the time to move forward, to address these threats, to unify Korea and Japan with America in a three nation security pact.

It's a losing battle i know. My words will fall on deaf ears. Koreans are intent on wasting time obsessing over the past and jeopardizing their national security. The way my parents, esp my dad, still talk about Japan makes it clear. Stuff like Felix having to apologize for A LITERAL NOTHING BURGER makes it clear.

My homeland is amazing in so many ways, so effing amazing, yet there are certain things inherent in Korean culture that will prevent them from ever achieving greatness.

it's hard to understand how something affects something, someone, an entire country without experiencing it

just as certain people belittle african americans and their issues in the US

also parasocial relationships lol

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I'm all for cultural sensitivity, but maybe some people are just too sensitive for their own good. Did the other Europeans set aside a special day to "be angry" at the Germans? That's just as recent. What about the various former colonial nations that celebrate an independence day? Do they celebrate their own independence, or do they spend the entire day seething at whatever nation they won their independence from?

You end up being part of the problem if you can't bother to understand why this is the case. It's not rocket science and this isn't a issue that only happens here in Korea, you'd get the same response from China and other Asian countries, when it comes to Japan on certain days.

Instead of letting you figure that out, I'll help you Google it later. The primary reason this happens is unlike Europe, Japan has not meaningfully sought to reconcile it's past transgressions.

In Japan WW2 and earlier history doesn't show Japan as the bad one and makes light of not omitting entirely it's roles in the atrocities it committed. That plus the government for many decades refuses to properly apologize and continues to honor war crimes and keep distortions of history so they don't look bad.

If they were to reconcile like Germany did with the rest of the world, we wouldn't be in this situation today

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As someone who was born in and spent most of his formative years in Korea, with grandparents who lived through the occupation, i will offer my two cents :

Koreans need to let this go.

Everyone that was responsible for the occupation is dead. They're gone. It's been 80 years since the occupation which lasted 35 years. How much longer is Korea gonna hold onto this? We've got Communist China building 1000000s of drones, missiles, and ships, North Korea insanity, and Russia's Pacific Fleet lurking. Instead of letting the past stay in the past, we've got Korea still frozen in time, still letting things that happened three generations ago materially impact the literal survival of the entire country. NOW is the time to move forward, to address these threats, to unify Korea and Japan with America in a three nation security pact.

It's a losing battle i know. My words will fall on deaf ears. Koreans are intent on wasting time obsessing over the past and jeopardizing their national security. The way my parents, esp my dad, still talk about Japan makes it clear. Stuff like Felix having to apologize for A LITERAL NOTHING BURGER makes it clear.

My homeland is amazing in so many ways, so effing amazing, yet there are certain things inherent in Korean culture that will prevent them from ever achieving greatness.

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True it needs to be water under the bridge, but unfortunately the things I mentioned in a previous comment is why this stuff is my being let go. But don't let this fool you, this doesn't hinder security much, the government does cooperate with security with Japan on occasion and America is really pushing the alliance and it's making serious headway

Idols should at least stay away from posting anything during their independence day.

Sadly, it's not only a Korean thing where people treat it as a "simple" holiday. Many people suffered in the past and that day just serves a reminder of their sacrifices to free the country.

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You end up being part of the problem if you can't bother to understand why this is the case. It's not rocket science and this isn't a issue that only happens here in Korea, you'd get the same response from China and other Asian countries, when it comes to Japan on certain days.

Instead of letting you figure that out, I'll help you Google it later. The primary reason this happens is unlike Europe, Japan has not meaningfully sought to reconcile it's past transgressions.

In Japan WW2 and earlier history doesn't show Japan as the bad one and makes light of not omitting entirely it's roles in the atrocities it committed. That plus the government for many decades refuses to properly apologize and continues to honor war crimes and keep distortions of history so they don't look bad.

If they were to reconcile like Germany did with the rest of the world, we wouldn't be in this situation today

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I already understand why this is still happening: because people are petty and continue holding grudges long past their expiration date.

Apologies are cheap. How does one even begin to "properly apologize" for crimes of such a horrific scale? You simply cannot. Do you think the Germans and the other European perpetrators of WWII were actually forgiven by those affected? Because they said "We're sorry?" I'll give you a hint: the answer is no. They didn't forgive, they moved on, because they recognized how senseless it would be to continue being openly hostile in perpetuity, especially now that most of the actual perpetators are dead. There's nothing those perpetrators could have possibly done to make up for their transgressions, and no one thinks more highly of them now than they did in 1945. Everyone else simply refused to allow these criminals to continue to shape world relations, especially not through "sins of the father" logic.

Let's be honest, Japan doesn't have to "reconcile with the rest of the world;" it's only a small group of neighboring countries that still hold a grudge with them nearly a century after hostilies ceased, and not even in any official capacity. The Japanese are now political allies with some of their biggest former adversaries (including the one that nuked them and never formally apologized for it.) These grudges must not be important enough to get in the way of international cooperation, so what good is petty quibbling going to do anyone?

PS: Every country on the planet sugarcoats their own history to make themselves look better. This isn't a trait endemic to Japan.

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I'm all for cultural sensitivity, but maybe some people are just too sensitive for their own good. Did the other Europeans set aside a special day to "be angry" at the Germans? That's just as recent. What about the various former colonial nations that celebrate an independence day? Do they celebrate their own independence, or do they spend the entire day seething at whatever nation they won their independence from?

German people aren't exactly well liked in their neighboring countries. There absolutely still is generational trauma even though it is getting weaker. But that's because we see how Germany educates their own and paid reparations. However, I've been told by Germans that my country is part of the Reich while we were all in our 20s. Others have laughed in a formerly destroyed city centre that "ha ha it's because of us this looks ugly now, can't say I'm German I guess." Of course, there is resentment when some people still behave like this. Sure, it's way milder than in Korea, but Japan never made the effort to make amends the way Germany did.

WWII memorials are everywhere here and there are special commemorative days, it's not going to be forgotten any time soon.

It's great though that Germany self-polices. When those people were singing Nazi slogans at a vacation destination a few months ago, they all lost their jobs. Japan doesn't do that. Korea would have to live with that disrespect.

It's really no surprise they take a long time to heal as a nation.

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The primary reason this happens is unlike Europe, Japan has not meaningfully sought to reconcile it's past transgressions.

In Japan WW2 and earlier history doesn't show Japan as the bad one and makes light of not omitting entirely it's roles in the atrocities it committed. That plus the government for many decades refuses to properly apologize and continues to honor war crimes and keep distortions of history so they don't look bad.

If they were to reconcile like Germany did with the rest of the world, we wouldn't be in this situation today

This

And still on-going tensions eg the Dokdo dispute

I actually agree, most ifans are very insensitive towards Korean culture

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German people aren't exactly well liked in their neighboring countries. There absolutely still is generational trauma even though it is getting weaker. But that's because we see how Germany educates their own and paid reparations. However, I've been told by Germans that my country is part of the Reich while we were all in our 20s. Others have laughed in a formerly destroyed city centre that "ha ha it's because of us this looks ugly now, can't say I'm German I guess." Of course, there is resentment when some people still behave like this. Sure, it's way milder than in Korea, but Japan never made the effort to make amends the way Germany did.

WWII memorials are everywhere here and there are special commemorative days, it's not going to be forgotten any time soon.

It's great though that Germany self-polices. When those people were singing Nazi slogans at a vacation destination a few months ago, they all lost their jobs. Japan doesn't do that. Korea would have to live with that disrespect.

It's really no surprise they take a long time to heal as a nation.

Germany only educates and apologize to their holocaust victims aka mostly Jewish victims. Other victims were sparsely acknowledged tbh

But I guess they still did more than most.

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I already understand why this is still happening: because people are petty and continue holding grudges long past their expiration date.

Apologies are cheap. How does one even begin to "properly apologize" for crimes of such a horrific scale? You simply cannot. Do you think the Germans and the other European perpetrators of WWII were actually forgiven by those affected? Because they said "We're sorry?" I'll give you a hint: the answer is no. They didn't forgive, they moved on, because they recognized how senseless it would be to continue being openly hostile in perpetuity, especially now that most of the actual perpetators are dead. There's nothing those perpetrators could have possibly done to make up for their transgressions, and no one thinks more highly of them now than they did in 1945. Everyone else simply refused to allow these criminals to continue to shape world relations, especially not through "sins of the father" logic.

Let's be honest, Japan doesn't have to "reconcile with the rest of the world;" it's only a small group of neighboring countries that still hold a grudge with them nearly a century after hostilies ceased, and not even in any official capacity. The Japanese are now political allies with some of their biggest former adversaries (including the one that nuked them and never formally apologized for it.) These grudges must not be important enough to get in the way of international cooperation, so what good is petty quibbling going to do anyone?

PS: Every country on the planet sugarcoats their own history to make themselves look better. This isn't a trait endemic to Japan.

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The same can be said about other groups of people who have had some bad suffering from past by another. Yet we don't tell them to " move on" you don't have to think hard to find people who fit that bill

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I was born and raised in Germany and I can say that’s not completely true.

Jews were the main target by Nazi’s, so obviously the victims of the Holocaust were predominantly Jewish..but Germany also acknowledged the killing of Roma’s and Sinti’s and the systematic killings of people with disabilities, all this is part of the Holocaust. They thought us that in History lessons. They didn’t hide any other Group of people affected by the Holocaust. But the causality on their side was immensely low compared to the Jewish, this is why the Holocaust is more synonymous to the killing of Jews.

This is exactly what I am talking about lol, it is only jewish maybe Romas, but there were other people that were also targeted and are barely acknowledged.

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If you look at the Holocaust Museum, they mention several other Groups of people being targeted.

https://hmh.org/library/research/minority-victims-guide/

Also here. And there are many videos in German talking about other minorities that were victims of the Holocaust.

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So which Group of people haven’t been acknowledged ? I’m just asking because it’s pretty much established that Jews weren’t the only victims, so I’m a bit confused by your comment.

No hate tho.

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Love it when people from there can tell people the truth. If people don't know what they are talking about they should stay silent.

Unless you know as much as a native from x location don't talk😎

Thank you for this insight on Germany

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The same can be said about other groups of people who have had some bad suffering from past by another. Yet we don't tell them to " move on" you don't have to think hard to find people who fit that bill

I can think of lots of groups who have suffered at the hands of another. The number of groups who still make a point of openly seething at an entire nation nearly a century after the fact is however a lot smaller.

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Love it when people from there can tell people the truth. If people don't know what they are talking about they should stay silent.

Unless you know as much as a native from x location don't talk😎

Thank you for this insight on Germany

She cited a Holocaust museum located in Houston, Texas...

Korea voices 'deep regret' over Japanese PM's offering to Yasukuni Shrine

Korea's foreign ministry expressed 'deep regret' Thursday that Japanese political leaders, including Prime Minister Fumio Kishida, sent offerings or paid…

www.koreatimes.co.kr

It is because the Japanese government talk out of both sides of their mouth. Look up which war criminals were enshrined in this temple.

The Fight Over Berlin’s Comfort Woman Statue

Why the bronze figure of a girl in Germany is infuriating the Japanese government.

www.thenation.com

They honor their militaristic past and they wonder why everyone is mad at them. They pressure Germany to take down the statue of the comfort women. They keep their population ignorant of their past crimes.

Yet we are told to move on.

As a Pole I can tell you this, 17 days ago (August 1st) there was anniversary of Warsaw Uprising (1944). I simply cannot imagine a mainstream Polish singer making a social media message in German or recommending a German song on this day. They would be blasted with hell fire by general public and pretty safe bet, also their own fans.

Regarding idols: How hard is to set up a notification in phone to remind oneself to not write in Japanese and/or share anything of Japanese culture/entertainment on this special day? These idols are super dumb either being literally uneducated of own history or just too lazy to simply pay attention to real life outside kpop bubble. A little effort would spare Korean people pain/anger and themselves a trouble of having controversy and having to make apologies.

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She cited a Holocaust museum located in Houston, Texas...

Yes she did. The point is the other person she responded to incorrectly stated that Germany only apologized to Jews and had little to no mention of others. She provwd that was a lie. By showing in fact they do. What's more daming is the information didn't have to be tracked down in Germany first.

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Yes she did. The point is the other person she responded to incorrectly stated that Germany only apologized to Jews and had little to no mention of others. She provwd that was a lie. By showing in fact they do. What's more daming is the information didn't have to be tracked down in Germany first.

You're missing the point. It's not a German source. It's a neutral source recognizing Germany's other victims, not an official statement from the nation of Deutschland. Not that I personally think this sort of thing matters, as any apology -- especially from people who weren't directly involved -- would ultimately be a shallow gesture compared to the crimes committed, but if you're going to celebrate a German apology, it should actually be a German apology. This would be like someone on this forum acknowledging all of Japan's victims on behalf of Japan. Someone who isn't even Japanese.

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My bad… here is a transcript of a speech given by the German Parliament on the Holocaust Memorial Day

“We commemorate the European Jews, the Sinti and Roma, the Slavic peoples, the forced laborers, the prisoners of war, and all those who were left to starve. We remember those who were persecuted and murdered for political reasons or religious beliefs. We honor those who courageously resisted the Nazi regime, who preserved their humanity and paid for it with their lives. We remember the suffering of homosexuals, people with disabilities, and the fate of those ostracized as "asocial."..”

https://www.bundestag.de/parla…eden/2021/20210127-818708

This is a list of people targeted by nationalists… this is from our ‘Federal Agency for Political Education‘ (Bundeszentrale Für Politische Bildung)… the same Groups as mentioned in the Holocaust Museum.

https://www.bpb.de/themen/poli…-des-nationalsozialismus/

I just picked english sites because of the language barrier.

You can say a lot about Germany, but not that they don’t acknowledged every victim affected by nationalism.

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This was really interesting. Thanks for sharing

Because it's fucking stupid of koreans to still be angry at Japan for something that happen like 100 years ago, or about 80 years if you count't from the end of the ww2. It's more than three generations ago.

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Because it's fucking stupid of koreans to still be angry at Japan for something that happen like 100 years ago, or about 80 years if you count't from the end of the ww2. It's more than three generations ago.

this is the kinda insensitive. 100/80 years is not a long time ago.
we still have 1st person account of whats happening and alot of people that affected directly are still alive.
hell i still remember when i was a grade schooler and my great grandfather telling stories whats happening back then.

Well I understand Koreans and I agree with you.

International fans are ignorant atp for not understanding

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this is the kinda insensitive. 100/80 years is not a long time ago.
we still have 1st person account of whats happening and alot of people that affected directly are still alive.
hell i still remember when i was a grade schooler and my great grandfather telling stories whats happening back then.

Yes it a long time.

The people of today have very little to do with the generation during the ww2 and earlier.

It's okay to remember what happen, but it's just stupid to blame todays japanese people for something that happen so long ago. They have absolutly nothing to do with it. The same way the Germany of today is a very different thing compare to Nazi Germany.

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Yes it a long time.

The people of today have very little to do with the generation during the ww2 and earlier.

It's okay to remember what happen, but it's just stupid to blame todays japanese people for something that happen so long ago. They have absolutly nothing to do with it. The same way the Germany of today is a very different thing compare to Nazi Germany.

when did i say let's blame today japanese people??
its about remembering.
felix done this 2 times. 1st time its ok if he doesn't know. the fact he's not learning is what makes it worse.

and my point is still stand that it is not a long time ago. were talking about literal warcrime here . not "i ignored him back in highschool" stuff.
"people nowaday dont have anything to do with it" i could say the same to you .
u dont have anything to do with it but why the hell u telling anybody thats affected directly to move on.

like my great grandfather used to tell me things about japanese people and how he dont want to any anything with them.
is it wrong ?? yeah . but do i blame him ?? no . why?? coz he seen that directly. there's some PTSD to that.
like u cannot tell a victim of hidden camera on public toilet to move on when they have PTSD and cannot use any public toilet.
why ?? coz you dont know how it feels.