Hwasa is the most successful 3rd generation female soloist (idol) in Korea

Yeah, I said it. I was debating whether or not to make this declaration for a while, but the recent Gallup results gave me the last push I need.

How many other third gen girl group idols have:

Not 1 but 2 songs that scored a Perfect All Kill. Actually 3 if you count her project group song.

Don't Give It To Me - PAK

Twit - PAK

Don't Touch Me - PAK

Maria was also a hit song, and it was blocked by one song or it ALSO would've gotten a PAK.

I Love My Body was a moderate hit this year, peaking in the Melon top 20.

If you include her Mamamoo activity, she's the only third gen idol to get a group, solo, collab and project PAK.

QUEEN

And her charting aside, her popularity and "It Girl" (eye roll) status has always been downplayed by ifans, but today's Gallup poll shows she is STILL extremely popular, ranking higher than any other female idol, even the 4th gen babies.

All hail the Queen

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did solos of all the bp members combined got 3 PAKs?

I'm pretty sure only Jennie did. Blinks can correct me if I'm wrong. MAYBE Rose did as well? I'll check.

EDIT: Yup. Pretty sure it's just Jennie

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I mean yeah she’s pretty much the only one to consistently releases music and actually have them do well.

There’s actually no one else lol.

Yeah but there's so much success erasure with Hwasa in international Kpop communities, because MooMoos keep to themselves and are honestly used to people underrating and downplaying their accomplishments. I'm the noisiest by far.

Do people realize how big this song was?

It was almost as big as Starry Night, and that was one of Mamamoo's biggest hits

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No BP member got a PAK, even Solo.

Twitter lied to me.

Whelp.

I don't think my statement is very controversial. Some 3rd gen peers have a hit song, like Solo or Pop, but multiple chart smashing hits? Only one.

Queen Hwasa!

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My first impression was no. But your essay convinced me so i voted yes

Mission Accomplished

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She’s big internationally but not as big as some others I suppose. So that’s not really surprising. lol.

If you’re in about top 5 in Korea beyond that it’s only international performance that’ll decide if people acknowledge you more than others.

Well I know internationally she can't compete with the BP members. I'm not that delulu.

But if we're talking being a force in Korea? I think she's second to no other girl group member when it comes to her results, and in terms of overall popularity, she's clearly still top tier, even this year.

Honestly, her stiffest competition on the charts has previously been Wheein, who was the first Mamamoo member to get a #1 hit song and also has a PAK with another solo song.

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In Korea there’s literally no other 3rd gen soloist than her. She is the main event.

Damn straight. And I'm going to give her her flowers. Up next will be her bestie.

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What about Chung Ha? does she count even though she's not in a group

Well you can count her. If she maintained her early career streak of hits, it would be more of a conversation. I don't know if Roller Coaster peaked as high as Twit or Maria. I'd have to check. But her popularity didn't endure as long as Hwasa's has.

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According to my analysis of Melon monthly data, Chungha does indeed have the best results.

Also, she was in I.O.I.

She has 3 songs that outperformed Don't Give It To Me, Twit and Maria?

Share the data

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They kind of have the same career trajectory imo. Chung Ha just needs to have another hit and they'd be on the same level.

How? O.o

Chungha almost quit the celebrity life entirely and publicly criticized her old company. She had a really amazing first two years, I believe, then the adversity began that almost killed her desire to continue being a singer.

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Well, that's more of her personal problems with her old company, but career wise, they both have hit songs (Twit, Maria, Roller Coaster, Gotta go), and songs nobody liked and forgot about, like Bicycle and I'm a B. Chungha IMO will be fine once she has a comeback, as long as the song is good, she'll be able to rival Hwasa in Korea. Don't bring up charts because I am clueless on that matter I just sense if something is popular with my sixth sense.

I'd love to see Chungha return to form. She just hasn't been really popular in quite a while though. Meanwhile Hwasa is still the highest ranked female idol on this year's Gallup poll. That's some impressive longevity

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Hwasa knows how to make catchy music, which is a good thing if you want to stay popular for long. I do hope Chungha returns strongly. I just think there's no other soloist these days to rival Hwasa and that's why she's still popular. Sunmi is busy making experimental music and changing sounds every comeback, so we can't really count on her much.

I mean, if it's soloists as a whole, there definitely have been like Heize or Kassy (who NEVER gets talked about amongst ifans), not to mention Taeyeon. But third gen, yeah, I don't see it. Hence this thread.

Chungha could make a big splash with her first comeback in a long while though.

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Hwasa had a good run from 2018-2020...was even in the conversation of being a 3rd gen IT girl...but alas all things must come to an end.

Check the Gallup poll. She's the highest ranked female idol.

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I think she was. Not anymore though, she has literally disappeared in the Korean entertainment scene it seems like, even though her newest song did edge around the top 10.

Remember how well Jennie's completely unpromoted song (i cant even remember the name of it tbh, i hated it) has done compared to Hwasa's song, it wasnt even a fair fight yet Jennie cleared.

Look at the Gallup poll results, brother. Also that's extreme recency bias, which if that's what you want to use, the poll results for this year show Hwasa is still extremely popular. She ranked ahead of every other female idol, including Jennie

But I'm talking about the totality of her career as a soloist. Nobody from her generation can compete with it, even if she's come back to the pack with her latest release.

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Here's the data. To recap, I looked at the top 100 songs on Melon each month. I then assigned 100 points to the #1 song, decreasing linearly to 1 point for the #100 song. I then added up all the points each for artist.

CHUNGHA

2017-06: #67 – Why Don't You Know (ft. Nucksal), 34 points

2017-07: #21 – Why Don't You Know (ft. Nucksal), 80 points

2017-08: #28 – Why Don't You Know (ft. Nucksal), 73 points

2017-09: #30 – Why Don't You Know (ft. Nucksal), 71 points

2017-10: #59 – Why Don't You Know (ft. Nucksal), 42 points

2018-01: #58 – Roller Coaster, 43 points

2018-02: #11 – Roller Coaster, 90 points

2018-03: #10 – Roller Coaster, 91 points

2018-04: #18 – Roller Coaster, 83 points

2018-05: #22 – Roller Coaster, 79 points

2018-06: #27 – Roller Coaster, 74 points

2018-07: #31 – Roller Coaster, 70 points

2018-07: #42 – Love U, 59 points

2018-08: #14 – Love U, 87 points

2018-08: #37 – Roller Coaster, 64 points

2018-09: #36 – Love U, 65 points

2018-09: #59 – Roller Coaster, 42 points

2018-10: #63 – Love U, 38 points

2018-10: #76 – Roller Coaster, 25 points

2019-01: #02 – Gotta Go, 99 points

2019-02: #03 – Gotta Go, 98 points

2019-03: #08 – Gotta Go, 93 points

2019-04: #22 – Gotta Go, 79 points

2019-05: #31 – Gotta Go, 70 points

2019-06: #35 – Gotta Go, 66 points

2019-06: #70 – Snapping, 31 points

2019-07: #06 – Snapping, 95 points

2019-07: #43 – Gotta Go, 58 points

2019-08: #20 – Snapping, 81 points

2019-08: #31 – At the End, 70 points

2019-08: #52 – Gotta Go, 49 points

2019-09: #41 – Snapping, 60 points

2019-09: #54 – At the End, 47 points

2019-09: #75 – Gotta Go, 26 points

2019-10: #57 – Snapping, 44 points

2019-11: #86 – Snapping, 15 points

2020-01: #78 – Loveship (with Paul Kim), 23 points

2020-02: #49 – Loveship (with Paul Kim), 52 points

2020-05: #33 – Stay Tonight, 68 points

2020-06: #82 – Stay Tonight, 19 points

2020-07: #35 – Play (ft. Changmo), 66 points

2020-08: #38 – Play (ft. Changmo), 63 points

2020-09: #59 – Play (ft. Changmo), 42 points

2020-10: #44 – Bad Boy (with Christopher), 57 points

2020-10: #87 – Play (ft. Changmo), 14 points

2020-11: #41 – Bad Boy (with Christopher), 60 points

2020-12: #67 – Bad Boy (with Christopher), 34 points

2021-01: #82 – Bad Boy (with Christopher), 19 points

2021-02: #83 – Bad Boy (with Christopher), 18 points

2021-03: #90 – Bad Boy (with Christopher), 11 points

2837 POINTS IN TOTAL

HWASA

2018-04: #21 – Don't (with Loco), 80 points

2018-05: #01 – Don't (with Loco), 100 points

2018-06: #05 – Don't (with Loco), 96 points

2018-07: #13 – Don't (with Loco), 88 points

2018-08: #19 – Don't (with Loco), 82 points

2018-09: #29 – Don't (with Loco), 72 points

2018-10: #45 – Don't (with Loco), 56 points

2018-11: #72 – Don't (with Loco), 29 points

2019-02: #05 – Twit, 96 points

2019-02: #95 – Don't (with Loco), 6 points

2019-03: #05 – Twit, 96 points

2019-04: #20 – Twit, 81 points

2019-05: #39 – Twit, 62 points

2019-06: #54 – Twit, 47 points

2019-07: #82 – Twit, 19 points

2020-07: #03 – Maria, 98 points

2020-08: #02 – Maria, 99 points

2020-09: #05 – Maria, 96 points

2020-10: #09 – Maria, 92 points

2020-11: #17 – Maria, 84 points

2020-12: #39 – Maria, 62 points

2021-01: #45 – Maria, 56 points

2021-02: #53 – Maria, 48 points

2021-03: #68 – Maria, 33 points

2021-04: #86 – Maria, 15 points

2021-05: #99 – Maria, 2 points

1695 POINTS IN TOTAL

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Regardless, thank you for the data. Chungha was certainly a force in her peak. She would be an acceptable counter to my points on Hwasa. Only issue is she's fallen off entirely, while Hwasa is still ranking higher than any other female idol in Gallup (yes, I'm beating that like a dead horse).

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Can confirm - when I was a baby moo I found out about most of their accomplishments via your YT channel because no-one else ever mentioned them. Used to get so excited for your year end review

That is/was the whole purpose of my channel. To spotlight Mamamoo's accomplishments that everyone else liked to ignore or sweep under the rug.

I loved making every video. I only stopped due to insanity of COVID, the sudden drop off in group content from Mamamoo and an unexpected return to heavy gaming hours.

One day I might knock off the rust and return

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I think Jennie overall is bigger, but Hwasa benefits from her not releasing as constantly and/or promoting solo. Yeah 3rd gen is kinda a lost cause in general when it comes to successful solos.

I Love My Body had a cute time in the top10 but it was nowhere near You & Me which was unpromoted top3 hit, much less her peaks like Maria and Twit. I'm a B & Somebody kinda flopped as well

PAKs are also all about timing as well and are not really indicative of overall success, there is no planet where that Refurbished Sisters song is bigger than Solo has it had horrible longevity compared to it's peak

Fair, but I'm not going to punish Hwasa because Jennie didn't release more music, and while Gallup isn't God, despite my doing so throughout this thread, it's not meaningless that Hwasa ranked higher.

For what it's worth, I'm not really interested in arguing who's the bigger celebrity in Korea, even though I think it's a better debate than most Blinks would admit; I'm just looking at their accomplishments.

Maybe Jennie has more #1 hit songs if she releases more music. Maybe not. I say we focus on what happened instead of what could've happened.

PAKs are about timing, but Hwasa has two of them, even if you leave out the project song, and Maria would be a third if it didn't get blocked by I forget who. And she's not the only Mamamoo member with a PAK. They were THAT popular at their peaks.

Plus 2018 was a LOADED year. Anyone who got a PAK that year deserves props.