YOASOBI with their latest hit IDOL had achieved #1 on billboard global 200 excl. US after knocking Cupid to second. This is the first time a Japanese act placing higher than any Korean act in the international chart. Could YOASOBI become the answer from Jpop to KPop domination?
YOASOBI getting #1 on billboard global 200 excl. US could become a warning for KPop industry
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If jpop wanted to be popular it can. Lol. It’s not the lack of good songs or acts but Japanese treatment of content availability
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That's great. They have good music.
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This thread is hilarious. Idol needed to be released in English for it to chart #1. So it's doing the exact thing K-pop is doing. The only legit viral song that didn't need to change into English/ needed TTH playlisting because it became viral on tik tok is
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This thread is hilarious. Idol needed to be released in English for it to chart #1. So it's doing the exact thing K-pop is doing. The only legit viral song that didn't need to change into English/ needed TTH playlisting because it became viral on tik tok is
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This yoasobi anime song >>>
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This thread is hilarious. Idol needed to be released in English for it to chart #1. So it's doing the exact thing K-pop is doing. The only legit viral song that didn't need to change into English/ needed TTH playlisting because it became viral on tik tok is
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I'm not sure which version that charted on BB global 200, you can find the explanation that a bit vague here : https://www.billboard.com/musi…excl-us-chart-1235346245/
YOASOBI’s “Idol” soars to No. 1, from No. 6, on the Billboard Global Excl. U.S. survey (dated June 10). The song, originally sung in Japanese, hit the top 10 six weeks earlier and now becomes the duo’s first leader on the list following the May 26 release of its English-language version.
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The preface of your thread is "ooh kpop watch out jpop coming for yalls neck" but I'm telling you that this song in particular did the exact same thing kpop is doing. Releasing English versions/songs for better chart placement. You weren't highlighting the fact that the original was the highest for a non-English song (which would still be factually wrong since BTS “Life Goes On” debuted at No. 1 with 152.5 million streams and 84,000 downloads sold globally) recently, but that it's #1 not counting the fact it needed to release in English to do so.
I might be coming off as I hate this group (tho I'm addicted to the anime) when I'm not. Everyone and their mother knows they will now have to release an English track to chart higher than their own mother tongue. So everyone is playing the same game until an all-Japanese song chart at #1.
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The preface of your thread is "ooh kpop watch out jpop coming for yalls neck" but I'm telling you that this song in particular did the exact same thing kpop is doing. Releasing English versions/songs for better chart placement. You weren't highlighting the fact that the original was the highest for a non-English song (which would still be factually wrong since BTS “Life Goes On” debuted at No. 1 with 152.5 million streams and 84,000 downloads sold globally) recently, but that it's #1 not counting the fact it needed to release in English to do so.
I might be coming off as I hate this group (tho I'm addicted to the anime) when I'm not. Everyone and their mother knows they will now have to release an English track to chart higher than their own mother tongue. So everyone is playing the same game until an all-Japanese song chart at #1.
Sure they need to release the eng. ver to hike into #1. But for the KPop stakeholders to taking note, this song(idol- red) didn't have any western nuance other than it sung with english. The interesting fact that Twice english release cannot reach the same place. Their competition is only BTS and BP for this time and they done it while self-producing their song. Food for thought, how YOASOBI duo will fare if international producer will lend their hand to them?
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Sure they need to release the eng. ver to hike into #1. But for the KPop stakeholders to taking note, this song(idol- red) didn't have any western nuance other than it sung with english. The interesting fact that Twice english release cannot reach the same place. Their competition is only BTS and BP for this time and they done it while self-producing their song. Food for thought, how YOASOBI duo will fare if international producer will lend their hand to them?
Okay sure. Jpop best. Jpop ended kpop.
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Sure they need to release the eng. ver to hike into #1. But for the KPop stakeholders to taking note, this song(idol- red) didn't have any western nuance other than it sung with english. The interesting fact that Twice english release cannot reach the same place. Their competition is only BTS and BP for this time and they done it while self-producing their song. Food for thought, how YOASOBI duo will fare if international producer will lend their hand to them?
They also do without the para social image of kpop. Kpop group members are themselves popular hence getting more traction in all countries.
Yoasobi is famous because their song is famous similar to 50-50. (Ofc they’re known but their songs aren’t popular because of any fanbase)
I don’t think unless they can foster a community of fans like kpop they’ll ever be on kpop level. But musically jpop has appeal and perhaps will continue that.
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An anime song from a popular anime charting well on that particular chart is not anything new.
Plus, that chart is excluding the US right? JPOP has always been big in Asia, and at some points, they were bigger than KPOP throughout Asia.
Stakeholders may take note of this, but KPOP's focus right now is tackling the Western market (most specifically the US market). And JPOP still has not been able to do well on the Billboard top 100.
TikTok has made it more possible for them to, and who knows...maybe Yoasobi will be the ones to do it. But, I don't think they will be considered real competition for KPOP until they start charting in the US, UK, Australia, etc.
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Idol is the song of the year so it's normal
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This is like saying the rest of the Kpop industry should watch out for Fifty-Fifty just because they managed to get a massive virial hit that only ever happens once in a blue moon. At the end of the day, we know it's the song that's popular, not the artist itself. And the chances of the Artist becomming a household name and having back to back hits on all global charts is slim to none.
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An anime song from a popular anime charting well on that particular chart is not anything new.
Plus, that chart is excluding the US right? JPOP has always been big in Asia, and at some points, they were bigger than KPOP throughout Asia.
Stakeholders may take note of this, but KPOP's focus right now is tackling the Western market (most specifically the US market). And JPOP still has not been able to do well on the Billboard top 100.
TikTok has made it more possible for them to, and who knows...maybe Yoasobi will be the ones to do it. But, I don't think they will be considered real competition for KPOP until they start charting in the US, UK, Australia, etc.
Yes, J-Pop act are still trying to figuring out how to break into BB 100, but now they're even hold on grip on global chart. Their BB global 200 incl. US is already at #7. And about Asia, sure it's very concerning for KPop stakeholders if they're being surpassed there.
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japan is just big enought o push groups into the .exc US charts
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This is like saying the rest of the Kpop industry should watch out for Fifty-Fifty just because they managed to get a massive virial hit that only ever happens once in a blue moon. At the end of the day, we know it's the song that's popular, not the artist itself. And the chances of the Artist becomming a household name and having back to back hits on all global charts is slim to none.
You could be right about FIFTY-FIFTY, but Yoasobi are already immensely popular before this #1. Their first viral song, Racing into The Night already peaked at #6 on BB global 200 before.
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This is like saying the rest of the Kpop industry should watch out for Fifty-Fifty just because they managed to get a massive virial hit that only ever happens once in a blue moon. At the end of the day, we know it's the song that's popular, not the artist itself. And the chances of the Artist becomming a household name and having back to back hits on all global charts is slim to none.
Yaosobi is pretty big though. Thry have over 2.2 billion on Spotify, it's more than any 4th gen kppp gorup minus TxT and Stray Kids
They have many hits, and their physical sales are decent
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why would the titular song for a massive anime have anything to say about the industry around it?
It's no different than a representative song from a massive drama or movie.
Musicals aren't on the come up when a Disney Princess song tops the charts.
This is the first song from Japanese artist to ever landed on #1. And they're not even from Disney.
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Yaosobi is pretty big though. Thry have over 2.2 billion on Spotify, it's more than any 4th gen kppp gorup minus TxT and Stray Kids
They have many hits, and their physical sales are decent
I said household name.
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And I repeat, it's a big song from a MASSIVE anime. It's not some random jpop song that gained steam from nowhere. It's the signature song of the biggest anime of the winter season.
I would posit that has more to do with Idol's popularity rather than Jpop as a whole suddenly sneaking up on Kpop out of nowhere.
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And I repeat, it's a big song from a MASSIVE anime. It's not some random jpop song that gained steam from nowhere. It's the signature song of the biggest anime of the winter season.
I would posit that has more to do with Idol's popularity rather than Jpop as a whole suddenly sneaking up on Kpop out of nowhere.
If you're KPop major industry player whose planned to break the global market, would you okay with your direct competitor scoring this big?
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If you're KPop major industry player whose planned to break the global market, would you okay with your direct competitor scoring this big?
Would I okay a song being on a popular show from another country?
Apologies, lemme call up SM, Hybe and JYP and tell em to fuck over the Japanese Animation industry.
Something they totally can do.
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If jpop wanted to be popular it can. Lol. It’s not the lack of good songs or acts but Japanese treatment of content availability
Actually many companies and artists try to even do stuff for their international fans, but the issue for many of them is that people often ignore artists and if they claim they would listen to them than they often can only name that 1 song they heard in the opening of an random anime. The other times its KPop-fans who laugh at JPop for no reason either cause "lol they still sound so outdated and why are there 15 members?" or if its not it than KPop fans often tend to say "Why the heck do they sound like KPop?". Most western people who arn't into KPop also have harder times to even get into JPop and sometimes find it even more odd as if you would say you listen to KPop.
Some companies and artists actually apreciate to have international fans or even want to go more outside to reach their international fans, but its hard for them
- Most of their fans are of cause the Japanese citizen since Japanese people are often very loyal to their fave artists plus they are also those who spend the most money on an artist since many companies either don't make selling CDs outside Japan available or just on a limited amount and also getting hands on merch as someone not from Japan can be also quit hard
- Often groups will have English accounts for their groups, but sometimes it's just fan-owned accounts. But many groups don't have English content at all so it sucks for people who can't find translations of stuff like videos or lyrics for example. But the situation is getting slightly better since a bunch artists added for example subtitles to MVs
- Covid restrickted a lot acts to travle, therefore most artists who never held a tour outside Japan are just now planing on touring outside Japan. You can even see how many Japanese artists are going on tour now. One of the more popular artists I can think of who was recently on tour has been the band RADWIMPS who was in Europe and America, but however their tickets were quit shockingly overpriced (I heard that some tickets for Los Angeles had been 800$). Even tho most acts may not come to Europe or America, there are still a lot touring in Asia right now
- You can find almost all songs, except a few artists on Streaming now, but it still sucks for a few people when they want to listen to extremly old music or the majority of Johnny's Entertainment
- Even the company Johnny's Entertainment who was known for "living behind the moon" and acting "very outdated" is slowly warming up. The majority of their artists is now on Twitter, Instagram and TikTok and everyone has a Youtube channel
- Many artists who speak English tend to even interact with their foreign fans sometimes. Masahiro from the group BALLISTIK BOYZ for example even has an entire English blog on his company's website.
- JPop artists collab more with foreign acts now to get their names out in the world. Some examples given are The African-American JPop-singer Chris Hart who collabed with the German vocalist Lena, the boygroup BE:FIRST who collabed with the British producer Jonas Blue, The singer SIRUP who apeared on a remix-version of a song from the British singer Years&Years, the singer Fujii Kaze who apeared on a remix of a song from the American singer JVKE, but there are also so many other collabs with Asian artists like the rapper SKY-HI collabed with many Asian artists as for example in his latest single with the Taiwanese rapper ØZI and a while ago he even collabed with 3 member of Stray Kids and you can see this happening with many other Japanese artists if you look close enough
The interest by some artists is there, I mean when you look closely enough you find enough artists who actually apreciate every of their foreign fans and some even like knowing that they are also liked outside of Japan. The band ACME for example apreciates their foreign fans so much that they even had hired a woman who translated to English when they held live streams on Youtube in 2020. The group MADKID also begun to posrt subtitles on all of their vlogs. The group BE:FIRST once did a video for MTV where they only spoke in English to the foreign viewers, ... etc.
But yeah, its quit hard for some artists since people arn't too open with getting in JPop and their companies also can still make it a bit harder for them to sell outside Japan, so thats often still a point that makes the majority unable to step outside their usual zone. Still tho its amazing to see whats happening right now, even if its just slowly
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Actually many companies and artists try to even do stuff for their international fans, but the issue for many of them is that people often ignore artists and if they claim they would listen to them than they often can only name that 1 song they heard in the opening of an random anime. The other times its KPop-fans who laugh at JPop for no reason either cause "lol they still sound so outdated and why are there 15 members?" or if its not it than KPop fans often tend to say "Why the heck do they sound like KPop?". Most western people who arn't into KPop also have harder times to even get into JPop and sometimes find it even more odd as if you would say you listen to KPop.
Some companies and artists actually apreciate to have international fans or even want to go more outside to reach their international fans, but its hard for them
- Most of their fans are of cause the Japanese citizen since Japanese people are often very loyal to their fave artists plus they are also those who spend the most money on an artist since many companies either don't make selling CDs outside Japan available or just on a limited amount and also getting hands on merch as someone not from Japan can be also quit hard
- Often groups will have English accounts for their groups, but sometimes it's just fan-owned accounts. But many groups don't have English content at all so it sucks for people who can't find translations of stuff like videos or lyrics for example. But the situation is getting slightly better since a bunch artists added for example subtitles to MVs
- Covid restrickted a lot acts to travle, therefore most artists who never held a tour outside Japan are just now planing on touring outside Japan. You can even see how many Japanese artists are going on tour now. One of the more popular artists I can think of who was recently on tour has been the band RADWIMPS who was in Europe and America, but however their tickets were quit shockingly overpriced (I heard that some tickets for Los Angeles had been 800$). Even tho most acts may not come to Europe or America, there are still a lot touring in Asia right now
- You can find almost all songs, except a few artists on Streaming now, but it still sucks for a few people when they want to listen to extremly old music or the majority of Johnny's Entertainment
- Even the company Johnny's Entertainment who was known for "living behind the moon" and acting "very outdated" is slowly warming up. The majority of their artists is now on Twitter, Instagram and TikTok and everyone has a Youtube channel
- Many artists who speak English tend to even interact with their foreign fans sometimes. Masahiro from the group BALLISTIK BOYZ for example even has an entire English blog on his company's website.
- JPop artists collab more with foreign acts now to get their names out in the world. Some examples given are The African-American JPop-singer Chris Hart who collabed with the German vocalist Lena, the boygroup BE:FIRST who collabed with the British producer Jonas Blue, The singer SIRUP who apeared on a remix-version of a song from the British singer Years&Years, the singer Fujii Kaze who apeared on a remix of a song from the American singer JVKE, but there are also so many other collabs with Asian artists like the rapper SKY-HI collabed with many Asian artists as for example in his latest single with the Taiwanese rapper ØZI and a while ago he even collabed with 3 member of Stray Kids and you can see this happening with many other Japanese artists if you look close enough
The interest by some artists is there, I mean when you look closely enough you find enough artists who actually apreciate every of their foreign fans and some even like knowing that they are also liked outside of Japan. The band ACME for example apreciates their foreign fans so much that they even had hired a woman who translated to English when they held live streams on Youtube in 2020. The group MADKID also begun to posrt subtitles on all of their vlogs. The group BE:FIRST once did a video for MTV where they only spoke in English to the foreign viewers, ... etc.
But yeah, its quit hard for some artists since people arn't too open with getting in JPop and their companies also can still make it a bit harder for them to sell outside Japan, so thats often still a point that makes the majority unable to step outside their usual zone. Still tho its amazing to see whats happening right now, even if its just slowly
nah, that's it. It actually Japanese act and their major player had actually play catching up with KPop. Both UMG Japan and Avex even believed that they're can replicate what BTS and Blackpink done in the western scene. Now that Yoasobi finally soaking the hardshell of KPop in global chart, it's gonna bring confidence to Japanese music stakeholder and wary for their fellow Korean. But would you think the hiatus of BTS could give them real opportunity to snatch KPop place in the worldwide scene?
And this : https://www.wsj.com/articles/b…e-even-bigger-11614441600
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Sure they need to release the eng. ver to hike into #1. But for the KPop stakeholders to taking note, this song(idol- red) didn't have any western nuance other than it sung with english. The interesting fact that Twice english release cannot reach the same place. Their competition is only BTS and BP for this time and they done it while self-producing their song. Food for thought, how YOASOBI duo will fare if international producer will lend their hand to them?
Twice's English releases have both charted on the domestic Billboard Hot 100, the only Billboard song chart that actually matters, seeing as how Billboard is an American music chart. Strange, I don't see this Jpop act anywhere on said chart.
And while we're on the topic of Jpop...
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You coming here to make this bullshit thread is a red flag on your cognitive level.
Here comes the genius trying to teach me what to do.
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Japan has lots of great musicians and artists, I am happy more people around the world are listening to JPOP. We have a tiny JPOP section on this forum and some of us JPOP fans here have made some threads for some of our JPOP faves. Japan’s tight IP control, high prices, weak accessibility channels for foreign fans, and the stereotypes are what limits JPOP.
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Billboard global 200 excl. US is the accumulation of entire world's top chart from 200 territories except united states. Which means Idol is the most popular song in the majority of part of the world.
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That's not what that means. You can't just add different charts together. It's based on sales & streaming, but it happens to exclude the world's largest music market & largest English-speaking market, where the song hasn't charted. So if you think it's reaching the same audience as Twice's English releases, you've got another thing coming.
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Idol is a bop. Deserved
Also I don’t agree with OP.
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Don't worry, the gods heard your prayers and saved K-pop
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Hm. At the moment "Idol" is not eligible to chart in the Oricon singles charts (maybe because a physical release will be on June 21, 2023, so in about two weeks we will know which rank the song will receive).
As of June 14, 2023 "Idol" ranks or previously ranked at
#1 Billboard Japan Hot 100 (nine weeks consecutive and the longest stay at BB Japan Hot 100 overall)
#3 Oricon Combined Singles#1 Oricon Digital Singles
#1 Oricon Streaming Songs
#1 Billboard Japan Hot Animation
#10 Billboard Global 200
#2 Billboard Global excl. US
#25 in official charts of Singapore (peak pos 10)
#93 in official charts of South Korea (in the charts for eight weeks now)#52 in Billboard Vietnam Hot 100 (peak pos 27)
#2 in Billbard Taiwan and Hong Kong songs#10 in Billboard Malaysia songs (charted for two weeks)
The song is breaking records on the domestic market:
- Fastest song to receive more than 100m and 200m streams in history of Oricon (after 5 and 9 weeks after release)- longest stay at #1 on the Billboard Japan Hot 100 (nine consecutive weeks)
- the MV broke 100m views after 35 days after its release (the fastest video from a Japanese artist to do so)
- Eight consecutive weeks with 20m+ streams
But, I have to admit that the song despite it's enormous success on the domestic market is rather unsuccessful overseas. The #1 at Billboard Global excl. US is rather meaningless as the biggest market (USA) is not represented in this ranking. "Idol" benefits mainly of the domestic hype around the anime series it serves as an opening track. On an international view, "Idol" only managed to chart in some Asian countries like South Korea, Indonesia or Vietnam on some smaller countries like Taiwan or Hong Kong while it neither managed to chart in the official Billboard Hot 100 in the US nor in any chart in Europe which is kinda sad because the song has potential to become a big hit. I would be glad if "Idol" would manage to chart anywhere in the Billboard Hot 100. According to Kworb which is not really reliable as the methodology is completely intransparent, "Idol" manages to rank outside Asia just on the YouTube charts while on other streaming platforms the song does not, unfortunately.
With this said, I am not saying "Idol" is a bad song, it is clearly the opposite. It did not get the international it deserved. As, I wrote above, I would call the song a success even if it would rank at #100 in the Billboard Hot 100 just for one week or in any official single charts outside Asian territories. -
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