NewJeans vs Ive in Rookie of The Year Awards

wow

we havent had this thread for a good 24hs

It was about the time

but to indulge you its still IVE

New Jeans by a whisper

i know nothing about numbers or charts, i voted for ive because i like them more lol

NewJeans impressed me more so far.

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I voted for NJ, my reasoning is the following:

Ive did very very good, but seems a normal path for a top group with a huge hype and fandom backed by iZone members

NJ did all this is WITHOUT any preexisting fandom or hype, as none of its member has a dedicated fandom . They just debuted and exploded. Plus while Ive numbers are doable for a follow up, NJ did something that looked kinda of impossible in their debut

BIG4 group with minhee pedo

wtf r u on about

It’s crazy how people act IVE records are meaningless. Damn

You’re just gonna get newjeans dragged with this thread lol akp loves ive and many feel resentment for newjeans

But anyway most award shows are probably gonna award both groups (literally they’d already done that many times before) so no one will go home empty handed, so idk why people keep fighting each other over this not even very important award when both groups are gonna win

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Then I have one more reason to pick NewJeans!

lol we already know you did, but it’s annoying to see this thread being made 20 times and every single time peeps will shade newjeans in various ways (tacitly and overtly) and claim only ive deserves to win. it’s tiresome to read and not even a productive discussion anymore bc the outcome is the same every time

NMIXX

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Well I don't care for any of this. I'm old, too old to be bothered by i-netzens shades or anything like that. I created this thread to engage in arguments and to hype NewJeans a bit. Just learn to ignore the butthurt jealousy and delusional antis

i don’t agree with people scoffing at the idea that a debut this explosive and historic doesn’t deserve to win any roty awards. regardless of any competition, if newjeans wins it’s not such a crime like people act it is. at the same time I don’t agree either with your thinking that people claiming ive should win are all jealous and delusional antis. ive deserves to win too for their very impressive achievements. if either group wins it’s only deserved, and I don’t appreciate people downplaying either group and acting like it’s a heinous unthinkable crime should either group win

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I voted for NJ, my reasoning is the following:

Ive did very very good, but seems a normal path for a top group with a huge hype and fandom backed by iZone members

NJ did all this is WITHOUT any preexisting fandom or hype, as none of its member has a dedicated fandom . They just debuted and exploded. Plus while Ive numbers are doable for a follow up, NJ did something that looked kinda of impossible in their debut

Ive might have Army and Hybestan support who ignored Lesserafim cause of Ssamkura's ties to Izone/Produce/CJ.

This could be the difference between 250k UL (Lesserafim) and 500k UL (Newjorts).

Are we gonna pretend that Ive isnt by miles the highest charting 4th gen group internationally and that is what puts them far ahead than other 4th gen groups? Yall acting like thats an easy feat lol

Okay, Ive will win. End of discussion. Now, let's listen to this-

Because nwjs had a better debut, I've longevity for 8 months becomes irrelevant. This is rookie of the year not debut of the year. What happens when njs doesn't hit big on the next comeback or doesn't comeback within the same year. Your going to discredit the accumulated hits that I've put out?

I’m gonna wait for After Like to see if IVE can score their third hit. Newjeans need to has another comeback to really see if their popularity is constant or just a one hit wonder.

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NJ charted 2 songs on top 200 at the same time. Plus on Spotify:

Royal and Take it - 10 million

Cookie - 8.8 million (in less than 20 days)

Hurt - 6.5 million

I'm not sure, NJ seems more consistent with all their album being streamed. Cookie will easily surpass 50 million and Hurt 30 million. And both Attention and Hype Boy are clear 100 million+ songs too. This all with only one EP. This will have the biggest female kpop album on Spotify after Blackpink, that's huge

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We will see if they got high streams for their b-sides without 4 music videos.

Can we wait for the release of After Like to start the chaos? Damm

anyway siked for after like tmr

The ending scene will the fireworks would have been my sig if not for the dark lord comeback

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NJ charted 2 songs on top 200 at the same time. Plus on Spotify:

Royal and Take it - 10 million

Cookie - 8.8 million (in less than 20 days)

Hurt - 6.5 million

I'm not sure, NJ seems more consistent with all their album being streamed. Cookie will easily surpass 50 million and Hurt 30 million. And both Attention and Hype Boy are clear 100 million+ songs too. This all with only one EP. This will have the biggest female kpop album on Spotify after Blackpink, that's huge

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Cookie is considered a title track and was promoted on music shows, and both Hurt and Cookie have MVs released in a channel with over 60M subscribers Royal and Take It were never promoted and they only perform it on events, they didnt even released dance practice for it. So is it even comparable?

Ive have everything Newjeans have and they actually showed growth with many people saying they wouldn't outdo Eleven just for them to release Love Dive and double their stats in everything. Its too early to tell if Newjeans will show the same type of growth or will peak at debut like Itzy.

Love Dive is the highest charting 4th gen song on Billboard and Spotify global, the highest charting 4th gen song in Japan this year and also now the longest charting GG song on Apple music surpassing HYLT. If NJ can stay on top5 for +4 months like Love Dive and do just as well internationally with just their debut or comeback, than maybe they will deserve it just as much as Ive.

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I didn't know music videos streams counted towards Spotify

Please stop it. NJ videos is by far their weakest spot, literally all track have more audio streams than video streams, people are barely checking out their videos if at all. Their songs have much streams because they are all good, end

Are you serious? Music videos and music promotions boost streams on Spotify that’s not rocket science. For example Itzy biggest b-sides (excluding shoot) have higher streams because they either had a dance practice, promoted on music shows or got a MV. Even LSR b-sides have better streams than Take it and Royal.

IVE has only 2 singles while NJ has 3 singles from the same album. It would’ve been weird if their streams weren’t higher than IVE’s bsides.

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They are the first to succeed, but they aren't the first to have a big fandom. They have the winner of Produce

Well, no. Their dedicated fandom isn't that big. They even struggling in music show votes

I've seen many dives on twitter that stressed out because they can't win only because they still don't have a good amount of dedicated fandom that will do voting. A kpop show analysis account even had 1 tweet saying "Finally, with the help of dive's live vote IVE is winning..." because weeks before that, they're always losing just because the fan votes.

Which actually is a normal thing you know? Back then for a 4 or 5 months old rookie group and even coming from the non big 4.

They can be big because gp loves their song.

And if you say that they're backed by wizone, well, at the beginning they even get attacked by wizone themselves, leaving only the annyeong stan.

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The point is how many girlgroups can have 3 hits at the same time? None. The reason why companies doesn't release more than one single for comeback is precisely because they know only one really hits and the other has lukewarm chart performance it at all. NJs never intended to release 3 hits at the same time, this was just a pleasant surprise but guys here are thinking this is like nothing when in reallity most of groups aren't able to put a single song with the size of Cookie let alone 3 and one being on Tomboy/Love Dive level (Attention)

Not many girlgroups can have 3 hits at the same time because nearly none of them release 3 singles at the same time. Blackpink did it before at debut and it worked well, but we don't even need to go that far as g idle also had a massive hit with Tomboy and My Bag that also did really well on charts. Both examples had videos and music show promotion.