Posts by Guestty

Quote from lia09

I really love their aesthetic, it was unique, girly and magical. It's unfortunate how people bought MHJ's mediaplay and didn't even give them a chance.

or you know, people still have their own opinions regardless of what happened?

People love to use this excuse to cope with the fact that the group itself isn't that interesting or their comeback isn't good enough bc that's why it flopped. Hate trains would've made magnetic drop out of charts yet it wasn't affected at all.

international fans like bts' biggest kpop fandom bought hybe's media play and believed mhj wanted bts' downfall which was not true at all. What happened? They still harass newjeans even if many know it was a lie and token stan lsf and illit. Did it help the group's streaming numbers? Illit got spotify ambassadorship and still couldn't crack 1m streams while nj, who army swore they were the backbone of, managed to get 1,6m despite massive international hate train.

If you got it, you got it and you will be successful no matter what. Wonhee never went viral in Korea or internationally like Sullyoon was despite nmixx not doing as good as illit did with their debut. She did okay but people were never interested in her or them from the start. And it was before mhj hybe war started and magnetic was already #1 in the country.

Quote from SooYoung

Actually Wonhee was on the right path to become the #1 5th gen female idol, she receive a brand deal for Pocari just weeks after debut, there was tons of post about her on korean forums and Magnetic was successfull.

The problem is that Wonhee path to it girl of 5th gen was stopped by Hybe vs Ador mess, the moment it happen all of these things were just consider as being attribuate to Hybe connection and hybe viral marketing,

and the public just turn their back on her and Illit cuz of Newjeans.

now she have pretty much no chance to do it, but she was at her debut the 5th gen female member with the biggest potential

also for Ahyeon one of the biggest problem is that she have a harder time to stand out

in comparison of someone like Natty for example

KIOF are a 4 member GG so someone with a big aura and good charisma directly stand out cuz you attract all the eyes of the audience

i would say it's much more hard to do it when you have to stand out with 6 other people

who are all as pretty than you are, and perform like you do too

the advantage that Natty have that Ahyeon doesn't have and that natty kinda find her niche

she's the sexy type of performer and in her group only Julie have this vibe that's why they are the 2 members who stand out

Ahyeon just perform like any other members of Babymonster, because she's in a big group, she can't really had her own personality in her performance because it would look awkward

which is a problem that smaller group doesn't have

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i thought pocari thing was gifted to her by hybe bc she got it before her debut which never happened to any other popular members of big 3 groups? even p*nnch*a users on that belift canceled ads post were discussing it and were weirded out how she got it so quickly.

and hybe clearly pushed her to the line up and documents and pr aritcles that didn't help wonhee(bc it would always downgrade wonyoung in comparison) case showed they wanted to make wonyoung 2.0.

Ofc it will be considered pr by hybe when they belittle other idols to praise their own favs lmao

hybe clearly has the power and connections. brand deals aren't received so quickly and aren't shoot in like a day and released immediately after. they're discussed for at least a month definitely.

it happened before their debut, iirc even brands saw her pics? or something and "wanted her" and wonhee wasn't super mega viral enough for everyone to know her. no one watched their show. Just checked and even knetz said those ads were secured before their debut lmao. So it's not bc of her star power, it's hybe.

"1. The ads were secured even before debut thanks to the agency's influence, not because of their own image, so why act like they landed those deals on their own and were unfairly canceled?"

the public didn't turn on them that fast, they dgaf about stuff like that, otherwise magnetic would have dropped out of the charts so quickly yet it still did good and even now is super stable. iirc the song was even higher on year end awards than newjeans. there's even a chart that showed how for a couple of months magnetic was the most popular song while the rest was gidle and aespa.

I just checked and magnetic was getting #1 after mhj war started and was in top 10 for at least weeks.

their fans love to use that excuse for their comeback but ignore that the song was too boring to be their tt and gp didn't like it either. without mhj it wouldn't have done well either way. i'm not saying the hate doesn't exist, but it's not the reason why she was stopped. she was not popular on the level wonyoung/karina and everyone else were in the first place. I can't think of a moment while other idols appeared on my tl. yes, she was discussed by teens on forums but she never went viral among gp. meanwhile sullyoon pics alone went viral not just korea but in other countries.

magnetic was more popular than the group itself meanwhile with aespa/nj etc it was both. you'd see their songs charting good and gp discussing and praising the members

the amount of members doesn't matter. Tzuyu still went viral and had everyone going crazy about her looks and twice has 9 members. Performing isn't the only way to go viral. Sullyoon went viral for her looks and then her voice. Haewon went viral just for her personality. Natty had to work her butt off since her company is unknown unlike yg. I'm not sorry, there's no valid excuse like no amount of members will explain why Ahyeon didn't go viral yet. I already said sheesh/drip top 20, they had a viral performance yet Natty still outranked them while being Thai and not Korean. # of members excuse is too funny when kol and natty didn't have a bp sister tag and had no big 3 company behind them

Quote from Taemin-Identity

Here is most searched female 5th gen idols on naver(biggest searching platform in Korea) among teenagers. If you go with older age range then it won’t show cuz mostly teenagers will show interest in new acts in their rookie years, so this is a better indicator who is popular among teenagers.

yeah, it girls usually make noise within first year. there should be an exemption for natty since her group is from a small company + she's not korean and she still managed to outrank every girl from yg and hybe(since rn only them have 5th gen groups)

but for the rest it's over before they even reached their 1st year.

i'm gonna talk about visuals since yes, it's one of the most important factors: jinni from nmixx was my fav visual yet she didn't make any noise. same for chaeyoung twice who's a natural beauty. sullyoon managed to make noise despite nmixx flopping, something can't be said about ahyeon or wonhee. i'n not saying they're ugly. hell no. they're pretty, it's just they don't have that in them that makes koreans talk about them. chaeyoung is korean and is super pretty yet it was tzuyu who was trending and could have been one of the it girls if not for that flag.

About wonhee and ahyeon:

one had 1 of the biggest hits in sk and another comes from a bp sister group(sheesh was like top 10? and drip is climbing the charts. So by now she should be having that viral moment). It's not like they were Natty and were from nugu level company. YG is still a household name, don't make excuses, and internal documents showed hybe pushed tf outta wonhee to make her a wonyoung 2.0.

What happened? Natty who's thai STILL charted higher than two Koreans IN Korea and internationally as the 5th gen female idol.

i don't see any hype for ahyeon in korea, i'm sorry. pretty sure jennie was trending for her fashion alone. what waves is ahyeon making that every girl in korea wants to follow her? I only see her fans hyping her.

wonyoung was trending for her visuals during produce and karina did the same and had people talking about her during aespa's first year.

that's why me thinks the next it girl will be from smngg/jypngg or pledisngg. it could be sourcengg too but their casting staff is meh if you remember gfriend and lsf members and their visuals.

ofc we don't know the future and ahyeon could go viral but for now it's "MEH"

No. American industry[aka the global scene of music] is dominated by White and Black people with a sprinkle of Latinos. There's no need for "representation" like how some love to complain. You have the worldiwde stage, the "prestigious/important" one. Going after kpop is greedy as hell. I don't see any of them caring(and advocating) how there's no Asians there yet expecting your own representation in kpop is next level of entitlement(those kind of people exist).

That's why I love kpop. I'm not even East/SEA(still Asian) but it's still nice to see an Asian representation getting love somewhere.

Also Non-Asians in kpop look weird af, idc

Quote from ISaidISaid

If you’re non Korean or non East Asian and have this opinion, you’re a freak. And y’all should keep some thoughts to yourself without telling on yourself.

stfu

I'm non EA/SEA Asian and I still want kpop to stay Asian. We will share whatever we want, especially when the question was about what we want.

Quote from Popper-of-Ks

If they don't live there anymore, who cares? Hybe obviously knows if they've moved out. They're naturally going to keep track of their own property an who is (or isn't) using it.

are you serious? how tf does it justify even doing it or POSTING on a forum meants for incels??? They went there at NIGHT and posted it at THREE AM IN THE MORNING
The way your hate for nj blinds you and makes you make excuses for hybe is disgusting. Explain why they posted it online esp on such a disgusting forum where people hate nj, genius?

Overthinking my butt

It's YOU who's dismissing their disgusting behavior.

It doesn't matter it's their property. Posting it online is crazy and intimidation tactic just like they leaked their videos from source trainee days nj said they were scared and didn't give permission

I knew hybe maids would defend hybe no matter what but in such way is crazy. Acting like it's not a big deal but had it been their favs or if it's mhj who did it

i'd get banned if i said what i wanted to say

how when ive have been flopping(not literally) with each releases after i am

i know they still have high numbers but not as affective and influential as i am or love dive

while aespa been on the rise since drama

How many of these songs aged well I wonder

How many are being played and danced to

I know that ditto came back this year during winter start so ig that's the start

I feel like No (hit) songs in bp discography is gonna age well like wg, snsd songs

You know the public friendly ones

Like how do you see everyone from toddlers to grandparents dancing to their biggest hit dududu in 10 years or even today? esp to jennie's lyrics about her double volume body lmao

Their fans are gonna keep bringing up overseas popularity

Bigbang is known overseas for fantastic baby and bang3x but it's lies and haru haru general public love them for and still worship them despite being a group of criminals. Does blackpink have that lies and haru haru?

when tf did they get so popular?

their previous songs never did this good

is hybe using the payola they did for tws?

You are making it sound like it was their choice. They had to finish nj schedule till january and will start NOW.

The court will be this month and if something goes wrong then money will be wasted on nothing.

Blackpink had a longer hiatus and did fine. How sweet still did good despite gp not liking it as much as their earlier songs and I don't blame them. No group would be able to survive on charts if they released that song and NJ's name saved it.

Gallup survey had 3 nj songs 2 of which were released this year in spring - how sweet and supernatural.

They're not gonna flop. They will be fine. And if the public loves the song they will do great. Whatever happens they already built their names in kpop culture.

Quote from DaisyTheGenuine

Dude, I am not going to go back in forth while you make shit up and double down even after you're proven wrong.

You go on about how you were a 2nd/3rd gen fan but so many of your posts make it obvious you barely know anything about what you're talking about

dispatch released an article saying snsd parents didn't like jessica having that business which is why they started that kick out thing

Taeyeon and Sooyoung def lead the meeting.

Yoona and Sohyeon didn't vote or didn't want to.

Everyone else switched and voted against her

That's what chinese fans spilled. They already knew she wanted to leave after tokyo dome but changed her mind.

Dispatch deleted that article about their parents bc they can be bought. Han so hee and hybe showed how true it is. Then they started pushing jessica wants to get married and she skipped rehearsals lies when that never happened. That's when gp changed their minds and somehow they turned backs on Jessica.

Like investors didn't want fans spending money on her and not snsd!!!1 goofy reasoning lmaoo

Acting like sm and investors didn't know about her business. If they didn't want it to happen, they would NEVER allow her to start it. They could've easily prevented her from doing it before she even started talking to her investors and start her clothing line. Jessica is not some stupid girl who would start without telling them

It's obvious snsd members gave ultimatum as I remember apparently them saying they wouldn't go to fanmeeting or something. Ofc sm would defend snsd and not jessica??

I even remember fans saying those who know said Jessica would even give percentage of her business to SM while being in snsd.

Like plenty of sm idols have businesses but somehow only Jessica investors didn't like LMAO, this is so goofy

Quote from David33

She said in this statement, SME, and the girls (didn't say who, so it can be all of them) asked her to quit her business or leave. If you think the girls asked her to do that, because they hated or something, you're more naive than you look. If the members and SME actually congratulated for her business as she said, they could only change their minds if the INVESTORS wanted to.

Also, this is what SME said:

SM Entertainment releases official statement regarding Jessica and Girls' Generation

Like in EVERY case, 1 person says 1 thing, the other one say another thing. You choose to believe in Jess, because you like her the most. I choose to believe no one, because I don't know any of them, I wasn't there, and I only read speculations and one-sided statements. 99% of the time, all of those are lies.

Anyway, I see no point talking about this, especially in a non-SNSD related thread. You can believe in what you want. You don't know more than the rest of us. The ONLY fact here is that until she started her brand there were no problems with the group, and since she "left" she only mentions SNSD when she promotes her new music, her book, or something else. The fact that she wrote a book that can be used as a reference to this mess, speaks volumes about her character. She knew it's gonna be a bestseller if it's about SNSD or at least people will think it's about the group. She literally asked people to look for easter-eggs.

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LMAO

So you believe SM who would do everything to protect their cash cow and not Jessica who perfectly said it was the girls too? Why would she lie about it? And you swear you are not defending a company

Why would they change their minds only bc investors told them to? You do know investors would know about it too and would never allow her to release her glasses if they didn't like it? Same way for SM who are notorious idols opportunities squashers? How old are you? This is something a teenager under 18 would say.

Investors didn't want fans buying her stuff bc theyd lose money? LMAOOOO this is the goofiest thing i've ever read

PLENTY of sm groups' members had businesses before or after her, do investors cry about potential consumers not giving them money? I WAS THERE when she was releasing her glasses and scarves, there when she changed her business name bc there was a fashion line with that name which is y she had to add another word. Sm was perfectly fine with it, she'd never do something they wouldn't approve. DO YOU REALIZE THAT? Do you really think she;s stupid and did it without consulting with sm and investors? It's not some one week day of ideas. Those are worked on for months and even years.

But oh so poor girls would never do it just bc they supported it first? So did SM.

Dispatch released an article saying it was the members' parents who were against her business and didn't like that she started a business while using gg's name. Many speculated it was Taeyeon and Sooyoung bc Sooyoung's shady ass released the fashion line called Beaming Effect B.E same initials Jessica's fashion line name. She released it for "charity" so her fans would use it to defend her.

And everyone knows Taeyeon never liked Jessica.

I still remember how Korean parents words are everything even in business and many still attend meetings. I remember even Yuri's parents discussing her renewal contract mentions from snsd fans. Even chinese fans who know everything spilled that Yoona and Seohyun possibly were the only ones who refrained from voting. It was also spilled that Jessica wanted to leave after tokyo dome concert but changed her mind later.

Hybe and han so hee thing shows they can easily be bought which is what sm did to protect snsd brand as gp was against them at first. They deleted that article and started pushing Jessica always skipped rehearsals and wanted to get married lies which made gp go against her.

And Jessica can mention them anytime she wants. She spent decades dedicating her life to the brand and was one of the main popular girls after Taeyeon and Yoona. Just bc she got unfairly kicked out doesn't mean it's prohibited for her to do it. You clearly don't like her which is why you are not gonna believe her.

you were wrong even with gd and iu

g dragon flopped with power bc even if bruno blocked him,

no one cares about power as it didn't have an impact like his previous songs and #1 song right now doesn't count as he had to bring big bang back to get to the top

iu would get #1 of course since people were waiting for her comeback but it still didn't make an impact like previous songs did and it did good only bc of her name

and pretty sure her title got blocked by gidle bside which is embarrassing. shows that not even gp was feeling her songs. ik it had iu mad as she admitted she still wants to win

nj did good for a comeback with a bad song. they had 3 songs top 10 in gallup which is crazy and shows the power of their brand. every other group wouldn't get #2 had they releaesed how sweet. it would be top 10 or 30? whatever number off the record and either way got

overall their discography has beein disappointing since hype boy&ditto.

Quote from Prongs

If you meant strongest GG in their generation, yes, they are. But tbh, they are more like snsd than BP. I love jeanz, but I still they are not quite reach BP famous globally. BP competition reached international level. I hope new agency give jeanz more promotion abroad....their songs suit international taste.

I feel like they don't have Lisa's passionate SEA fans and the right time to blow up with BTS which means it will never happen. None of the new groups will be like bts and bp. Not even straykids who are second biggest kpop bg in the world. Maybe after bts disbands same way One direction broke up

I know that Hanni is SEA too but Thai/Filipinos always bring huge views and traffic. Like South American singers who always have super high views bc Spanish is like third? or closest to that number spoken language in the world.

Look at baemon and how thanks to their SEA members(who also inherited a portion of Lisa's stans) they have like almost 400m on the debut video released 8 months ago despite it being a flop. The only girl group that always have high views despite not having blackpink clout in Korea or anywhere else bc yg messed up their songs choices. Now if they had clout, fewer members that had Jennie&Lisa's charms, they would've been blackpink 2.0.

Jeanz don't have that western IT girl archetype either that westerners love. Their music IS westerners' taste but it's not the cool music vibe that makes girls and gay be obsessed with you like they're obsessed with bp which is why they have a cult following imo. Plus high views shows you have demand and that's what western media loves which is why they invited bts and bp in the first place.

So you're right, they're snsd 2.0 with some BP droplets

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funny if LSFM released Whiplash and Aespa released Crazy but the comments stays pretty much the same.

petty fanwar, it is what it is

Lies

Crazy sucks regardless of who would release it. I would hate it more if aespa released it bc drama, supernova and armagaeddon are bops and crazy would be a huge fail mark in their discography, worse than next level.

It's monotone, boring and doesn't have any catchy parts that would make you wanna dance

I don't have a problem acknowledging good things groups have even if I don't like them. Easy was cute(esp the beat when it starts), smarter was average cute even if autotune in both songs ruined it, but crazy is bad in a bad way

Quote from icyruios

This.

If the songs are reversed the comments would be the same

LSFM just has a bugger hate train it has got nothing to do with the song

this is such a cope

lsf does have hate train but that song sucks regardless and wouldn't be liked even if that train didn't exist

yall just can't cope and accept that people simply didn't like the song.

same way illit fans love to use hate train to excuse why cherish is boring and flopped

somehow how sweet wasn't affected by hate train by the biggest fandom in the world and still got hate for being bland(it is bland) but crazy is hated only bc of lsf hate

Quote from Prongs

Eunchae sing/rap is bad.

The lyrics is bad.

Ta ta ta ta ta is weird.

The vocal is clearly not strong.

The quirky mv too much "inspired" by supernova showing lack of originality.

And pretty sure their team knew whiplash was about to release.

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Exactly

It doesn't move me

The beat is catchy and instantly memorable, the talk singing at the start doesn't aggravate me like Eunchae did and is memorable, singing parts, esp Winter's visualize was heavenly

Quote from Varenka

According to the latest HYBE bombs, they're looking to make a new Wonyoung, not Karina. I think what HYBE chooses to plagiarize says it all.

duh

that was before karina started promoting solo while wonyoung had at least 5 years ahead (with Karina 3years and all bc sm focused on group promotions only). So Karina's solo promotions started only ONE year ago when she got her first solo cf + W had all the eyes on her since she was 13, ofc she will be more popular back then. Plus nice of you to ignore the fact that Pumba PD himself asked MHJ if she can step on aespa. And that was the first year of aespa's debut when they were winning daesangs. Karina was also copied by HYBE for their AI girl group member.

before i'd have said Wonyoung but this year showed she's not untouchable at all. No Korean female idol came close to Jennie where they were able to get #1 over her in anything while all Karina needed ONE year of solo promotions to get #1 (and I doubt that's all SM can do for her since I'm sure they're still holding her back. SM is known for never letting their idols get BIG and esp bigger than them, so they're not gonna give her all the cards she can use once contract renewal time will come). Esp as a 24 year old in a country where ageism is huge and being super young is favored. Imagine if she was able to get that from the start.

Now that their gg is rumored to have 8 members, they have more chances to snatch the IT girl status.

Every generation has the most loved/popular female idol. SM always managed to make at least one member from their gg one of the most popular idols: Yoona - Krystal/Sulli - Irene - Karina/Winter

Karina is also killing it with being the most searched everywhere and even getting number one hit on melon

1. Wonhee was pushed a lot but she still didn't stick and didn't make that much noise even when Magnetic was dominating. None of illit members went viral and held gp's attention long enough. Now that belift and hybe messed it up with their weak pr game, it will be very hard for her to become Wonyoung 2.0 like hybe desperately wants.

2. Ahyeon didn't seem to make any noise in Korea either even if Sheesh got in top 10 on Melon. Jennie already trended with her fashion alone. Months later and gp still dgaf about Ahyeon even if her international fans try so hard to push the 5th gen it girl status.

3. I know that Jyp will debut a new gg in 2025, but their music choices suck and their promos are always group focused so no hope for any solo promo till their contract renewal after 7 years.

So it seems like SM wins in the end unless I missed someone and there are popular idols I don't know about

"NJ will not file a request for an injunction to terminate their exclusive contracts. The most striking part of the conference was the statement that they will not file a lawsuit. If they had filed an injunction, they would not have been able to take action until a conclusion was reached. However, they can leave without pursuing a lawsuit. This means ADOT will have to file a lawsuit against NewJeans and NJ will have to wait for it. Right now, no one can stop NJ from becoming independent."

Translation from a twitter account: ADOTOKIS who translated a Korean lawyer's? comment about nj from what I understood

He also said "hybe terminated mhj's contract, so why can't nj do it while having plenty reasons to do it? If there's a difference, it is in this context"

Anyone who thinks Lisa will achieve anything in the usa outside two weeks vacation on hot 100 is delusional.

She can't sing and you have to sing live, which she never will, to promote and make yourself known. Americans are not like kpop stans who dgaf, they will never take her seriously. The fact that she never promoted any of her singles while expecting good results shows how arrogant and delusional she is. Releasing one song every 3 months, hide and lipsync every performance(and no, fast talking lyrics while not singing parts where you actually have to sing doesn't mean she performed it live) isn't gonna last long. She will be done in less than 5 years post blackpink disbandment unless her bf marries her which I doubt he will.

Jennie has more chances because she did promote and sing live on talk shows, but everything depends on songs and her stamina. She will never be the a lister because it would mean she would have to work hard, so will be like Jenners and Hadids if she makes it. Or Rita ora at best lmao

Now Rose has the best shot at winning because she can sing but again, everything depends on a song and I don't have high hopes because her taste sucks. Her fans better not be too arrogant because other two fans are waiting once she releases her solo song and doesn't have Bruno to help her

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how about you use your main instead of talking shit here?

Leave army alone and people in general.

Because you are NOT better.

Focus on the girls please.

wtf are you talking about?

how am i not better just bc i called them pathetic? youre not better either since you're defending a fandom who called nj all kinds of names, sending all kinds of threats over lies while making big hate accounts go viral

many of them are over 40 too

so get off your high horse.

its not just nj thread, its called ador hybe thread and armies also have a link to it due to what they're trending

people discuss anyone here too

such a weird forum full of snow flakes ready to cry over words like pathetic and gonna defend a vile fandom. im out of here

Armies are so pathetic

They went from boycott hybe to stop them from working with zionists to ignoring it and defending them

now they're trending they want mhj out of hybe just bc of some article and now they're convinced she's behind every media play. they also still believe those hybe lies about her trying to "destroy" bts

anything to ignore how jk supported nj

#priorities