The Music Bank broadcast points strike again

What is broadcast score anyways

Well, I do understand the frustration over this

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What is broadcast score anyways

Number of times the song is played in KBS programs (TV, radio and digital)

Got no problems with it. Nobody wants to see musty boomers singing boring generic ballads or trot or whatever he does. His song is only ranked 30 on Melon 24 Hits, only a couple spots ahead of Fearless. Wut are Knetz complaining about?

Can't hate on a debut group for promoting a lot. It's a bad system though and is once again getting a group dragged through the mud.

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well I guess KBS has multiple tv channels like KBS, KBS 2, KBS N Life, KBS Joy, etc.

also multiple radio stations

so I guess it's just how many times artist appears in other programs on those channels, how many times he guests, how many times his mv is played etc.

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Number of times the song is played in KBS programs (TV, radio and digital)

Thanks!

Current Melon 24 Hits ranking:

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I mean, if we're gonna complain about broadcast scores, then what about physicals being included in a SONG ranking? Why are album sales being used to prop up a song's popularity?

loool music shows are such a joke

HYBE is now officially among the "Big"

They can muscle-gerrymander shows to award their groups, that is definitive evidence. The Year end awards would be interesting.

IVE has fantastic numbers on the charts, Eleven after 5 months is still in top 20, Love Dive doing well too.

But Starship does not have the pull HYBE has, so even if Le-fim only does average, they can be 'fearless' about their Rookie awards.

Music Bank's scoring system is all over the place. The weight the broadcast score has insane.

It's nothing new though, every week is the same story. Groups get nominated, and even win, thanks to an insanely high broadcast score, and not much else.

I've been keeping track of music show scoreboards since IDLE's Tomboy comeback and it never struck me before how KBS can nominate basically anyone they want with this hard-to-track broadcast score.

The physical album score can also weigh in extremely heavily in the total score, for little reason.

Now I don't mind that music shows use different scoring systems from one another. For example, Inkigayo favors digital charting and youtube views; Show Champion grants points in a balanced way across all categories. I think both are legit. Music Bank though? It seems so random!

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Music Bank's scoring system is all over the place. The weight the broadcast score has insane.

It's nothing new though, every week is the same story. Groups get nominated, and even win, thanks to an insanely high broadcast score, and not much else.

I've been keeping track of music show scoreboards since IDLE's Tomboy comeback and it never struck me before how KBS can nominate basically anyone they want with this hard-to-track broadcast score.

The physical album score can also weigh in extremely heavily in the total score, for little reason.

Now I don't mind that music shows use different scoring systems from one another. For example, Inkigayo favors digital charting and youtube views; Show Champion grants points in a balanced way across all categories. I think both are legit. Music Bank though? It seems so random!

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since when is Inkigayo legit, they disqualified BTS once with a vague "well we thought this would be fairer to other groups" explanation.

music shows are essentially just a promo thing, they have no real legitimacy either way. It's a cog in the K-Pop publicity machine, nothing more. At the end of the day, they really don't matter, some of the biggest hits of recent years have few or no wins cause they were up against some boygroup with a big voting fanbase, or because they got unlucky with the competition, while middle of the road tracks have 5+ wins cause they came back empty house. Music wins have zero correlation with the actual chart performance of the track they're for, so idk why fans are always up in arms about them.

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HYBE is now officially among the "Big"

They can muscle-gerrymander shows to award their groups, that is definitive evidence. The Year end awards would be interesting.

IVE has fantastic numbers on the charts, Eleven after 5 months is still in top 20, Love Dive doing well too.

But Starship does not have the pull HYBE has, so even if Le-fim only does average, they can be 'fearless' about their Rookie awards.

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Starshit is part of Kakao, which is 5x bigger and more powerful than Hybe.

Music bank is just random first they say physical sales only count for 5% but we all know sales are carrying the score now you participate in one broadcast and suddenly you pull 5000 making no sense

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Starshit is part of Kakao, which is 5x bigger and more powerful than Hybe.

That too we have discussed earlier.. you are getting worse than Whyknock... stop hammering the same point over and over.

Mere financial muscle is not enough to make any company dominate an industry.

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since when is Inkigayo legit, they disqualified BTS once with a vague "well we thought this would be fairer to other groups" explanation.

That's not what I was addressing but ok.

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Starshit is part of Kakao, which is 5x bigger and more powerful than Hybe.

And Ive won because they had the digitals and the albums sales but okay keep telling that to yourselves maybe one day it will become a reality

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I mean, if we're gonna complain about broadcast scores, then what about physicals being included in a SONG ranking? Why are album sales being used to prop up a song's popularity?

This... only makes his argument stronger and their win less legitimate cause by the metrics, he's ahead in both digitals and physicals and like was mentioned, IYW wasn't just sitting around not promoting on KBS channels.

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And Ive won because they had the digitals and the albums sales but okay keep telling that to yourselves maybe one day it will become a reality

lol i liked Eleven and kinda like Love Dive, and of course they have Wonyoungie and Yujinie, but let's not sugarcoat Big 5 privilege

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And Ive won because they had the digitals and the albums sales but okay keep telling that to yourselves maybe one day it will become a reality

who even talked about Ive

what do they have to do with this they weren't nominated

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who even talked about Ive

what do they have to do with this they weren't nominated

Maybe because the user who I replied mentioned Starship ??? I don’t know

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Maybe because the user who I replied mentioned Starship ??? I don’t know

but that user was only replying to someone who came in here solely to claim that LSFM had no legit success and only Hybe's backing, while IVE deserved their success because they only had Starship's weak backing. When nobody was even talking about Ive.

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but that user was only replying to someone who came in here solely to claim that LSFM had no legit success and only Hybe's backing, while IVE deserved their success because they only had Starship's weak backing. When nobody was even talking about Ive.

I really don’t care...I’m talking with BPHouse and the reason why is because he keeps pulling the same bs it wasn’t toward LSRF

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Got no problems with it. Nobody wants to see musty boomers singing boring generic ballads or trot or whatever he does. His song is only ranked 30 on Melon 24 Hits, only a couple spots ahead of Fearless. Wut are Knetz complaining about?

Are you really here trying to say there is no problem with this??

LYW have 40M on Gaon digital while Fearless have only 6M

LYW have over 1 million physical while Lesserafim have only 300k

and you really here trying to ask why people complain it??

There is nothing wrong with people getting mad on this one. Music Bank need to fix their scoring system so it is based on digital and physical more and not a random broadcast score that decide a winner.

Yeah, knetz have every reason to get mad on this one.

LYW have a big gap in physical and digital and he deserve to win it.

when will Music Bank fix the broadcast score?

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There is nothing wrong with people getting mad on this one. Music Bank need to fix their scoring system so it is based on performance on chart and physical and not a broadcast score that decide a winner.

Music Bank doesn't NEED to do anything. They can do whatever they want; nothing's at stake here.

If KBS doesn't care that their trophy doesn't mean much, that's their own prerogative. They don't owe anyone anything.

One thing is sure.

LYW is never appearing on Music Bank for the rest of his life.

Unlike IU, who showed up in Music Bank because at that time OhMyGirl's Arin was hosting it and OMG liked the Senior Singer, and she had to think about other Kakao singers (that partially paid off when StayC did win #1 earlier this year), despite of what happened with Laboum, LYW only has himself in his company and doesn't have to worry about repurcussions.

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One thing is sure.

LYW is never appearing on Music Bank for the rest of his life.

Unlike IU, who showed up in Music Bank because at that time OhMyGirl's Arin was hosting it and OMG liked the Senior Singer, and she had to think about other Kakao singers (that partially paid off when StayC did win #1 earlier this year), despite of what happened with Laboum, LYW only has himself in his company and doesn't have to worry about repurcussions.

These shows actually need people like IU & LYW more than they need the shows.

Even these surprise wins, might be negotiated "surprise", than real.

I really didn't see someone just compare Starship "privilege" with big 4 privilege here

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I really didn't see someone just compare [Starship] KAKAO "privilege" with big 4 privilege here

Fixed it for ya.

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Yeah, knetz have every reason to get mad on this one.

LYW have a big gap in physical and digital and he deserve to win it.

when will Music Bank fix the broadcast score?

The point is that physicals shouldnt be counted when we're determining a song's ranking. So none of LYW's 1M sales should count towards his score.

Also, his digitals ARE NOT that far ahead of LSRFM. His song is 30 on Melon, Fearless is 32. They are almost the same. He has a huge Gaon score of 40M points because of mass fandom downloads, his ULs are actually LESS than Fearless.

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Fixed it for ya.

if it's kakao privilege then where's weeekly selling cds like hotcakes or destroying the digital charts? just to name 1 group because if it's somethin like kakao privilege there's 100000000000 groups under that

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The point is that physicals shouldnt be counted when we're determining a song's ranking. So none of LYW's 1M sales should count towards his score.

Also, his digitals ARE NOT that far ahead of LSRFM. His song is 30 on Melon, Fearless is 32. They are almost the same. He has a huge Gaon score of 40M points because of mass fandom downloads, his ULs are actually LESS than Fearless.

The tracking is from May 2 to May 8.

LYW: 35-35-33-27-32-30-28

LSF: 120-107-104-100-90-84-57

So, no, not even close.

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The tracking is from May 2 to May 8.

LYW: 35-35-33-27-32-30-28

LSF: 120-107-104-100-90-84-57

So, no, not close.

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Those Gaon rankings are totally shit though.

Fearless actually has MORE unique listeners than LYW's song. The fact that he is ranked so high on Gaon while having less listeners shows just how crappy Gaon's Digital Point charts are.