Hot take : singing live and self producing are not achievements.

fact. Just because u produced it by itself doesnt mean its good

Just gonna be honest, most idols I have heard live don't sound great. They are decent at best.

I can name off a few hand full who can do it and sound phenomenal. But, I do think it's really impressive when idols can dance really tiring choreography and manage to not only sing but keep the correct pitch, not crack, and sound stable. That takes hard work, and I give kudos to those who can do it.

Idol producers are also hit or miss for me. The ones who have really impressed me are Edawn, Woozi, and BI.

People can praise their favs for whatever the fuck they like, what I dont accept when they switch and bait their standards

They praise their favs for live singing during music shows DANCING while the group cant for the life of it hold a note just standing around and singing.

Same goes for producing, they praise the idol for self producing but as soon as lyrics are problematic or there is plagiarism suspicions, apparently they dont even HEAR or READ their own songs and lyrics and its all other people's fault.

That last bit smells like a whole cow farm. If you praise someone for being self producing, then suck it up with they mess up.

A question: who is the person who will objectively decide If a song produced by an idol producer is good or bad? I'm interested in talking to them.

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I encapsulated my opinion of the rest of your post in the first sentence which you removed in your quote

And to reply to your other post where you asked me to drop names for the second time, stop trying to make this thread personal. This is a general observation that's not targeting anyone in particular.

but think about it the more you drop names the closer you are to thread of the month

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you'll have a better time with this question in anons, just sayin

The reach in the main forum is bigger and I'm really curious

It's sad it's gotten to the point where live singing is praised as if there the holy grail. Kpop fans will lap up anything lol.

Self producing isn't an achievement, there's very few idols who can actually produce a song (writing lyrics != producing) and even if they do there still the question if it's a good song. Producing a shit song isn't praise worthy imo.

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It's sad it's gotten to the point where live singing is praised as if there the holy grail. Kpop fans will lap up anything lol.

Self producing isn't an achievement, there's very few idols who can actually produce a song (writing lyrics != producing) and even if they do there still the question if it's a good song. Producing a shit song isn't praise worthy imo.

The live singing thing is not something limited to KPOP fans tbh.

This is something you will see regularly as a drag if you follow any mainstream *most notably female* artist.

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Sm stans sad they can’t praise their favs for singing live

I wish rookies sang live like this in 2022

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That's another issue all together lol. The encore would sound like shit but the fans will still insist that the perfect performance from the same night was definitely live lol

Thank you so much

I would really like to get an answer on that 2nd part

but everytime I asked it I got called a hater

still waiting to know how do some idols record songs without reading the lyrics or listening to the beat?

Only three groups make QUALITY self produced tracks.

Gidle

Stray Kids

Day6

The rest generally arent true producers (they have too many other people sharing credits) or their songs arent good.

I personally haven't yet heard a great self produced song that wow'd me. But then i don;t think very highly of kpop musically so this might be a me problem.

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So the idols' skills depend on the perception of a part of their fans who cares more about bragging than their music and we ignore the perception of fans who genuinely enjoy the music, casual fans who follow the artist musically or people who, even If the idol's style is not their cup of tea, they appreciate the technical aspects of their skills? Is everything invalidated?

I'd like If you elaborate If I'm getting it wrong.

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I personally haven't yet heard a great self produced song that wow'd me. But then i don;t think very highly of kpop musically so this might be a me problem.

Wut? Soyeon wrote this megabop all on her own and produced it with only one other person.

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So the idols' skills depend on the perception of a part of their fans who cares more about bragging than their music and we ignore the perception of fans who genuinely enjoy the music, casual fans who follow the artist musically or people who, even If the idol's style is not their cup of tea, they appreciate the technical aspects of their skills? Is everything invalidated?

I'd like If you elaborate If I'm getting it wrong.

IMO the people who care about the bragging are the majority who talk about self production. We can't prove or disprove it one way or the other but the opinion also i don't suppose either one of us will be able to change.

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IMO the people who care about the bragging are the majority who talk about self production. We can't prove or disprove it one way or the other but the opinion also i don't suppose either one of us will be able to change.

Well, as you said It's your opinion and at least you are paraphrasing as an opinion and not as an objective fact.

I don't agree or disagree, I was never good at maths, so I suck at statistics and I never did any research.

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I'm not going to elaborate because I'm not in the mood to argue with people who pretend they don't see kpop fans weaponising self producing.

You are sounding too accusative when in the beginning of my comment I said I agree these portion of fans exist and I'm not denying their existence. But I can't force you to do anything.

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And kpop fans don't weaponize everything they can??

I'm so so so very confused. Mina didn't say no one has ever done that. Kpop fans will always find a way to be pretentious to live vicariously through stuff, all for fanwar too.

i have seen enough people praising mediocre live vocals not even in tune for it to be something worth the call out in specific.

We don't even have to go bast the first few pages of AKP for that. But maybe that's too controversial to say.

I agree Some idols can’t produce they should stick to singing/dancing

Also it’s funny how people praise singing live I mean it’s cool and like listening real vocals since most idols are lip syncing but some stans use as a weapon to drag idols

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what groups though? Spill it all.

We can't even discuss objective versus subjective like you guys want because no examples are being provided

Bestie do you want me maimed

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That’s a massive ass generalization.

yes.

It’s getting interesting