Hot take : singing live and self producing are not achievements.
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fact. Just because u produced it by itself doesnt mean its good
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The song I wrote in Animal Crossing begs to differ!
That went 5x platinum in Quarkieville.
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isn't that obvious? Fans only praise their faves because they find the live singing/self produced song good
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Just gonna be honest, most idols I have heard live don't sound great. They are decent at best.
I can name off a few hand full who can do it and sound phenomenal. But, I do think it's really impressive when idols can dance really tiring choreography and manage to not only sing but keep the correct pitch, not crack, and sound stable. That takes hard work, and I give kudos to those who can do it.
Idol producers are also hit or miss for me. The ones who have really impressed me are Edawn, Woozi, and BI.
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Can't relate. My faves write all their songs and co-produce em and they have a no skip discography.
It's not my fault you don't like this song
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The song I wrote in Animal Crossing begs to differ!
That went 5x platinum in Quarkieville.
I sing live all the time and believe me you won't want to hear it.
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People can praise their favs for whatever the fuck they like, what I dont accept when they switch and bait their standards
They praise their favs for live singing during music shows DANCING while the group cant for the life of it hold a note just standing around and singing.
Same goes for producing, they praise the idol for self producing but as soon as lyrics are problematic or there is plagiarism suspicions, apparently they dont even HEAR or READ their own songs and lyrics and its all other people's fault.
That last bit smells like a whole cow farm. If you praise someone for being self producing, then suck it up with they mess up.
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isn't that obvious? Fans only praise their faves because they find the live singing/self produced song good
Kpop fans always quantify these aspects. It's rarely about this idol producing this specific song they love and more often about the mere idea of this idol or this group producing. Same thing for live singing, in fact it's worse with live singing. I have seen it many times, someone would criticise a less than satisfactory live performance and everyone would be like "hey at least they're singing live"
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I think you completely ignored everything I said lmao.
I encapsulated my opinion of the rest of your post in the first sentence which you removed in your quote
And to reply to your other post where you asked me to drop names for the second time, stop trying to make this thread personal. This is a general observation that's not targeting anyone in particular.
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I encapsulated my opinion of the rest of your post in the first sentence which you removed in your quote
And to reply to your other post where you asked me to drop names for the second time, stop trying to make this thread personal. This is a general observation that's not targeting anyone in particular.
but think about it the more you drop names the closer you are to thread of the month
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It's sad it's gotten to the point where live singing is praised as if there the holy grail. Kpop fans will lap up anything lol.
Self producing isn't an achievement, there's very few idols who can actually produce a song (writing lyrics != producing) and even if they do there still the question if it's a good song. Producing a shit song isn't praise worthy imo.
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People can praise their favs for whatever the fuck they like, what I dont accept when they switch and bait their standards
They praise their favs for live singing during music shows DANCING while the group cant for the life of it hold a note just standing around and singing.
That's another issue all together lol. The encore would sound like shit but the fans will still insist that the perfect performance from the same night was definitely live lol
QuoteSame goes for producing, they praise the idol for self producing but as soon as lyrics are problematic or there is plagiarism suspicions, apparently they dont even HEAR or READ their own songs and lyrics and its all other people's fault.
Thank you so much
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Kpop fans always quantify these aspects. It's rarely about this idol producing this specific song they love and more often about the mere idea of this idol or this group producing.
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It's sad it's gotten to the point where live singing is praised as if there the holy grail. Kpop fans will lap up anything lol.
Self producing isn't an achievement, there's very few idols who can actually produce a song (writing lyrics != producing) and even if they do there still the question if it's a good song. Producing a shit song isn't praise worthy imo.
The live singing thing is not something limited to KPOP fans tbh.
This is something you will see regularly as a drag if you follow any mainstream *most notably female* artist.
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Sm stans sad they can’t praise their favs for singing live
I wish rookies sang live like this in 2022
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Only three groups make QUALITY self produced tracks.
Day6
The rest generally arent true producers (they have too many other people sharing credits) or their songs arent good.
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Sm stans sad they can’t praise their favs for singing live
I'm so sad not a single one of your all faves can hold a candle to my faves live singing
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I personally haven't yet heard a great self produced song that wow'd me. But then i don;t think very highly of kpop musically so this might be a me problem.
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So the idols' skills depend on the perception of a part of their fans who cares more about bragging than their music and we ignore the perception of fans who genuinely enjoy the music, casual fans who follow the artist musically or people who, even If the idol's style is not their cup of tea, they appreciate the technical aspects of their skills? Is everything invalidated?
I'd like If you elaborate If I'm getting it wrong.
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I personally haven't yet heard a great self produced song that wow'd me. But then i don;t think very highly of kpop musically so this might be a me problem.
Wut? Soyeon wrote this megabop all on her own and produced it with only one other person.
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So the idols' skills depend on the perception of a part of their fans who cares more about bragging than their music and we ignore the perception of fans who genuinely enjoy the music, casual fans who follow the artist musically or people who, even If the idol's style is not their cup of tea, they appreciate the technical aspects of their skills? Is everything invalidated?
I'd like If you elaborate If I'm getting it wrong.
IMO the people who care about the bragging are the majority who talk about self production. We can't prove or disprove it one way or the other but the opinion also i don't suppose either one of us will be able to change.
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So the idols' skills depend on the perception of a part of their fans who cares more about bragging than their music and we ignore the perception of fans who genuinely enjoy the music, casual fans who follow the artist musically or people who, even If the idol's style is not their cup of tea, they appreciate the technical aspects of their skills? Is everything invalidated?
I'd like If you elaborate If I'm getting it wrong.
I'm not going to elaborate because I'm not in the mood to argue with people who pretend they don't see kpop fans weaponising self producing.
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Well, as you said It's your opinion and at least you are paraphrasing as an opinion and not as an objective fact.
I don't agree or disagree, I was never good at maths, so I suck at statistics and I never did any research.
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Bestie do you want me maimed
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I thought it should go without saying that anything we post here is our personal opinion unless stated otherwise.
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That’s a massive ass generalization.
The main reason I prefer to stan self-producing groups is because to me, they seem more authentic in their identity.
Not that’s it’s bad to not produce your music, because that’s basically the majority of the western music industry too, and there’s a need for pop songs that are literally just pop songs.
But the largest benefit of self-producing groups is the establishment of a group identity though music. To me, there is nothing more satisfying than watching artists grow alongside their music.
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That’s a massive ass generalization.
yes.
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It’s getting interesting
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