keep seeing kpoppies say that their group is the next BP because they charted in BB200 but it seems the chart is calculated through streaming which can easily be manipulated by fans
is BB200 chart really indicative of international growth?
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The problem is that no one buys albums in the US anymore. If the BB200 chart, which is an American chart, used only physical sales, American artists could be locked out of their own charts by a small niche group of hardcore Kpop fans organizing bulk buying.
And we all know bulk buying is just as much of a problem as zombie streaming.
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I believe the billboard 200 only calculates sales from the US/PR so that would mean they've got a significant fandom here to reach 20. So to answer the question, yes fandom growth. Internationally as a whole, no.
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there is no next blackpink till blackpink disbands.
after that someone will have to carry the legacy on, but it wont be any of the current groups.
i dont think any group will ever achieve what bp has in the west tbh.
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i dont think any group will ever achieve what bp has in the west tbh.
i wont say never
what i predict is that after bts and bp are gone, the market for kpop groups will shrink, and then a generation later it'll come back stronger than before. but i dont see how much stronger a group can get at this point haha.
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Since this is about aespa, they charted because of pure sales, album equivalent units (streams + download) are like 10% of their total, hence why they're #2 this week for the Top Album chart but #20 for the Billboard 200 everything factored
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but it seems the chart is calculated through streaming which can easily be manipulated by fans
most kpop groups chart because of album sales not streaming
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most kpop groups chart because of album sales not streaming
Saw they count a certain amount of streams as 1 album sale
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Since this is about aespa, they charted because of pure sales, album equivalent units (streams + download) are like 10% of their total, hence why they're #2 this week for the Top Album chart but #20 for the Billboard 200 everything factored
External Content twitter.comContent embedded from external sources will not be displayed without your consent.Through the activation of external content, you agree that personal data may be transferred to third party platforms. We have provided more information on this in our privacy policy.i dont remember saying aespa in my post?
im talking in general anytime a group charts in bb200 fans hype it up like theyre the next group to be massive in the west -
i dont remember saying aespa in my post?
im talking in general anytime a group charts in bb200 fans hype it up like theyre the next group to be massive in the westNot in this post but in the anon someone used the exact same talking point with aespa in it so I assumed it was you there
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The OP is confusing lol. It's not streams that are manipulated by fans, it's sales. Hence why groups like NCT and SuperM can chart extremely high on BB200 but have little western recognition and relevancy.
This is why Hot 100 charting >>> BB200 charting, especially in a time where no one in the US consumes music via physicals. I would say BB200 charting = fandom growth
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Saw they count a certain amount of streams as 1 album sale
but i might be wrongyes but kpop groups don't even get a lot of streaming. like 95% of their points come from physical album sales.
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The OP is confusing lol. It's not streams that are manipulated by fans, it's sales. Hence why groups like NCT and SuperM can chart extremely high on BB200 but have little western recognition and relevancy.
This is why Hot 100 charting >>> BB200 charting, especially in a time where no one in the US consumes music via physicals. I would say BB200 charting = fandom growth
Define "manipulated" for the sales? It's still customers buying it... The bundles argument could be used before when it wasn't forbidden but now?
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keep seeing kpoppies say that their group is the next BP because they charted in BB200 but it seems the chart is calculated through streaming which can easily be manipulated by fans
LMAO at 2 things
1. Is this image even from an American fan?
2. K-pop stans lack at streaming, especially compared to popular US acts. They would not be able to chart their faves on BB200 with only digitals, only BTS & BP can do that.
Instead, they chart their faves on BB200 due to pure sales, which is why most albums peak decently high and then plummet off in 2-3 weeks.
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More like American popularity right?
Isn't the chart mostly for popular songs in the USA?
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More like American popularity right?
Isn't the chart mostly for popular songs in the USA?
to be specific, fandom in America
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keep seeing kpoppies say that their group is the next BP because they charted in BB200 but it seems the chart is calculated through streaming which can easily be manipulated by fans
But even if the streams are phantom, just like bulk Album sales, the artists still get paid.
Streaming is the bulk of the revenues now in days.
The profits are with tours.
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Does it really matter?
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It shows fandom growth bit their fame and only in the USA, for international you can check official charts of those countries
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It shows fandom growth bit their fame and only in the USA, for international you can check official charts of those countries
Best answer right here!
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It shows fandom growth bit their fame and only in the USA, for international you can check official charts of those countries
For Global isn't the BB global one of the better charts?
They claim they track 200 territories on the chart.
QuoteBillboard's two global charts, which began in September 2020 and recently finished their first year, rank songs based on streaming and sales activity culled from more than 200 territories around the world, as compiled by MRC Data. The Billboard Global 200 is inclusive of worldwide data and the Billboard Global Excl. U.S. chart comprises data from territories excluding the U.S.
QuoteChart ranks are based on a weighted formula incorporating official-only streams on both subscription and ad-supported tiers of audio and video music services, as well as download sales, the latter of which reflect purchases from full-service digital music retailers from around the world, with sales from direct-to-consumer (D2C) sites excluded from the charts' calculations.
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For Global isn't the BB global one of the better charts?
They claim they track 200 territories on the chart.
Yeah I guess this one is a good indicative. The thing is this does include several asian countries which are massive as well and when kpop stans say "international" they are mostly referring to the u.s and other western countries. If said groups can't chart at all in them (not even spotify top 200) then it's kinda misleading imo
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For Global isn't the BB global one of the better charts?
They claim they track 200 territories on the chart.
That's different chart, op meant the other one I think
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like nct chart there but their streams are so ass, like SO ASS
their album sales more then make up for it tbf.
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Yeah I guess this one is a good indicative. The thing is this does include several asian countries which are massive as well and when kpop stans say "international" they are mostly referring to the u.s and other western countries. If said groups can't chart at all in them (not even spotify top 200) then it's kinda misleading imo
China is a bit of a problem since they do their own thing, I guess for that one fans will have to do some searching around and add Chinese charts to the BB global chart.
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we dont talk about those 'donations'
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LMAO at 2 things
1. Is this image even from an American fan?
2. K-pop stans lack at streaming, especially compared to popular US acts. They would not be able to chart their faves on BB200 with only digitals, only BTS & BP can do that.
Instead, they chart their faves on BB200 due to pure sales, which is why most albums peak decently high and then plummet off in 2-3 weeks.
Now that I think about it how come Freeze+FOE charting in BB 200 for... Well I forget, 10 weeks? 12 week? How US moa did that?
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I believe the billboard 200 only calculates sales from the US/PR so that would mean they've got a significant fandom here to reach 20. So to answer the question, yes fandom growth. Internationally as a whole, no.
vpns exists
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Now that I think about it how come Freeze+FOE charting in BB 200 for... Well I forget, 10 weeks? 12 week? How US moa did that?
13 weeks. It was because of the repackage.
FREEZE is still charting on Top Album Sales, World Albums, Top Current Album Sales, and it just re-entered Tastemaker Albums. TXT is really coming to wreak havoc with their next comeback if they're doing this with a full + repackage.
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vpns exists
Dua Lipa literally had sales removed on the Hot 100 due to some of her fans buying through VPNs...no.
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Dua Lipa literally had sales removed on the Hot 100 due to some of her fans buying through VPNs...no.
damn
how did they even know
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Dua Lipa literally had sales removed on the Hot 100 due to some of her fans buying through VPNs...no.
they remove the ones they catch
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