• During my time here and on the old forums, its come to my attention that a lot of the issues surrounding certain topics boils down to knowledge. What one knows, what one doesn't know, what one ought to know etc.


    So what is knowledge: a quick google search


    facts, information, and skills acquired through experience or education; the theoretical or practical understanding of a subject.


    Why is knowledge so important here - because of the "megathreads" - most of them are on controversial subjects such as racism, cultural appropriation, Sowon/WW2/Hitler, 2nd gen v 3rd gen v 4th gen etc - the issue that is common in all these is (I believe) knowledge


    I'm not even going to go into detail about the various types of knowledge - like a priori or a posteriori knowledge - that's beyond the scope of a kpop forum

    lets just keep it simple about knowledge that we think others should know.


    Many things shape our knowledge:

    our background, social economic status, education level, culture, intelligence, societal norms and values, peer group etc.

    Those things affect our actual knowledge - from there is it possible to determine what one ought to know about?


    A pygmy living in the Amazon jungle has no actual knowledge of the internet, running water or toilet and therefore we don't judge him for not knowing.

    A teenager/adult born in the 21st century should know about their country's history, climate change, COVID etc or do they?


    Because we are all shaped differently our levels of knowledge vastly differ between genders, ethnicities, countries - hell a twin studying in the same year and same class in the same city could have vastly different levels of knowledge to each other.


    Therefore if we are so different why are there certain aspects of knowledge that everyone should know and if they don't what do we do about it.

    The consequences of lack of knowledge - do we cancel them, do they have to apologise profusely and make recompense, do they have to go into hiding and mediate on the issue, do they lose their job or stop being an idol or get their entire MV taken down, that is also a very interesting topic but for another day.


    What I will end on is who is to determine what one should or ought to know - is it simple ignorance? or arrogance? or something more severe? do we then judge someone based on things that they ought to have known because we believe they should know it. Those things that we know were shaped by our experiences and factors listed above - do we then impart that on others and say hey you should know this too. Vice versa what if others judge us for things that we don't know but they believe we ought to know?

  • Regardless of what is happening recently, I just find it funny that some people expects everyone to know things that are happening in their country like the whole world revolves around them.


    And people expecting others to follow their values, when the upbringing, culture, society can be vastly different depending on where you live.

  • It wouldn't be such a problem if a whole bunch of clueless schmucks didn't think they were so morally superior and in position to give lectures to everybody else, telling others what they should do, what they should know, what they should say, as if they knew any better.

  • Very needed thread.

    Hope people read it all.

    :thumbup:

    probably not since it involves ACTUAL DISCUSSION but then again I write things which I find interesting and hopefully other people will read it or not or disagree or agree - in fact I want people to disagree because I like to hear different opinions.


    (maybe part 2 will be more interesting on the consequences of lack of knowledge - stay tuned!! :) )

  • Regardless of what is happening recently, I just find it funny that some people expects everyone to know things that are happening in their country like the whole world revolves around them.


    And people expecting others to follow their values, when the upbringing, culture, society can be vastly different depending on where you live.

    And it is always the same people who talk in the name of everyone while calling others the names. Like can you stfu, pls, at least when something doesnt have anything to do with you!???? I think that we all know who are those people who think that the whole world needs to think the same as them.... Leave us alone, pls!

  • And it is always the same people who talk in the name of everyone while calling others the names. Like can you stfu, pls, at least when something doesnt have anything to do with you!???? I think that we all know who are those people who think that the whole world needs to think the same as them.... Leave us alone, pls!

    I'm waiting for something that involves me, so that I can tell people to stfu. My country and culture too nugu to be affected oh wells

  • probably not since it involves ACTUAL DISCUSSION but then again I write things which I find interesting and hopefully other people will read it or not or disagree or agree - in fact I want people to disagree because I like to hear different opinions.


    (maybe part 2 will be more interesting on the consequences of lack of knowledge - stay tuned!! :)

    Waiting for part 2 then

    :claps:

  • My country and culture too nugu to be affected oh wells

    lol what is it? unless you want to keep it to yourself.

  • Yes, it's so easy to judge, but we can never know everything a person learned or experienced in their live (even with those that we know in person).

    We should try understand other's perspetives more and not be so easy to judge (of course if something bad happened, it has to be debated and discussed, but not without even trying to understand the context).

    Also what i see the lack of: respect (respect for the others, their opinions, their cultures... towards celebrities, someone you know or another user on the forum).


    (i'm not saying, we can not say anything anymore, but just to try be more understanding of each other)

  • I'm waiting for something that involves me, so that I can tell people to stfu. My country and culture too nugu to be affected oh wells

    really if I wasn't so settled in Aust I'd probably move to Singapore I like it there - everything except for the weather.

    I've been there twice and thoroughly enjoyed it.

    you use nugu but its a gateway into China, its a commercial hub, you've got Eng and Chinese (and Indian and Malay), you got great infrastructure, housing affordability (even if it is gov), great public transport...hell you already know this why am I talking about things that you OUGHT TO KNOW :pepe-use-head:

    I'm so meta aren't I :clown:

  • lol what is it? unless you want to keep it to yourself.

    Singapore, it will never get to my country like y'all probably can't even point it on the world map. At most is people calling SEA poor and that SEA is not important but I already made a whole ass thread about it

  • really if I wasn't so settled in Aust I'd probably move to Singapore I like it there - everything except for the weather.

    I've been there twice and thoroughly enjoyed it.

    you use nugu but its a gateway into China, its a commercial hub, you've got Eng and Chinese (and Indian and Malay), you got great infrastructure, housing affordability (even if it is gov), great public transport...hell you already know this why am I talking about things that you OUGHT TO KNOW :pepe-use-head:

    I'm so meta aren't I :clown:

    I mean tbh we complain a lot like A LOT, but for me it's like ..... still better? I don't have to walk around at night worrying I will get robbed at least. Of course things can be better but it's not like I'm suffering or have any big worries, compared to other countries.

  • Singapore, it will never get to my country like y'all probably can't even point it on the world map. At most is people calling SEA poor and that SEA is not important but I already made a whole ass thread about it

    Yes, it's a small country for sure. I followed the Street Fighter competitive scene for years, and one of its most notorious player hails from Singapore. So at least in the world of Street Fighter, it has a bit of reputation. :)

  • I think that the once who are really ignorant and arrogant in those discussions are the once who think that the whole world must think the same way as them. Those people call you all kind of names just bc you state your opinion which is different. You give them arguments, they call you names and gang you up with their "knowledge" without any arguments, just name calling and ganging (BTW, it's not knowledge)....

    You must understand that different countries and people from different backgrounds see thinks differently! Even the people from the same country can have different views bc of different background and knowledge.

    I honestly really had enough of those people....

  • Yes, it's so easy to judge, but we can never know everything a person learned or experienced in their live (even with those that we know in person).

    We should try understand other's perspetives more and not be so easy to judge (of course if something bad happened, it has to be debated and discussed, but not without even trying to understand the context).

    Also what i see the lack of: respect (respect for the others, their opinions, their cultures... towards celebrities, someone you know or another user on the forum).


    (i'm not saying, we can not say anything anymore, but just to try be more understanding of each other)

    That's part 2 my friend you've jumped the gun hahaha :) everything you've said is correct

    I think that the once who are really ignorant and arrogant in those discussions are the once who think that the whole world must think the same way as them. Those people call you all kind of names just bc you state your opinion which is different. You give them arguments, they call you names and gang you up with their "knowledge" without any arguments, just name calling and ganging (BTW, it's not knowledge)....

    You must understand that different countries and people from different backgrounds see thinks differently! Even the people from the same country can have different views bc of different background and knowledge.

    I honestly really had enough of those people....

    Ahh again part 2 my friend :) - what do you do about such things - everything you've said is true

  • This thread looks like the decent people's club, ngl.

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