Knetz started to sus Hyunjoo?

    Previously, Knetz had wholeheartedly believed Hyunjoo being bullied after the police dropped the case against Hyunjoo's brother. Now, Fineapple had found a big mistake in the story from Hyunjoo's side.


    According to Hyunjoo's side

    Everyone in April but additional members (Chaekyung and Rachel) bullied her since 2014 as the agency made them debut lineup and they started living together in the dorm.


    Truth

    In the earliest debut lineup, Chaekyung (+Shiyoon) was there but Jinsol and Naeun did not. The 2 were added into the debut line up in 2015. Naeun was added to the lineup latest after the the debut series had been recorded. Jinsol and Naeun could not possibly bully Hyunjoo since 2014. And, Chaekyung must directly involve had it been bullying since back then.

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    April succeeded the dorm from Rainbow and, according to Woori, Rainbow moved out of the dorm in Jan 2015. April's members could not bully Hyunjoo in the dorm in 2014.

    Chaewon did not live in the dorm until she debuted. Chaewon commuted between her own home and DSP office by bus as evident from an old fan account. Chaewon could not bully Hyunjoo in the dorm before debut.

    In a radio show, Hyunjoo herself said she started practicing with the debuting team in 2015.


    Knetz requested clarification from Hyunjoo but such comments were deleted and requesters got blocked.


    Thus, Knetz have started to pay attention to DSP/April's side of story.


    Chaewon's mom had chat log between her and Hyunjoo's mom to back up that the 2 moms used to chat friendlily and that must not be the case had Chaewon bullied Hyunjoo.


    An ex-staff of DSP told the following

    - Hyunjoo was never bullied

    - Hyunjoo did not want to join April because she wanted to casually date her boyfriend.

    - Hyunjoo threatened she was committing suicide and drove other members into tears. The agency quickly reported the police to find Hyunjoo. When she was found, Hyunjoo was totally fine and was with her boyfriend. Hyunjoo kept threatening of suicide attempt thus, the agency turned insensitive to her suicide claims.

    - Hyunjoo threw water bottle to Somin. The manager reported the incident to the CEO but he did nothing. Somin left April because of Hyunjoo.

    - When DSP got a web drama job for her, Hyunjoo responded "Can't you find any better job?"

    - Hyunjoo did plastic surgery.


    A netizen claimed she was a classmate of Hyunjoo and show the yearbook as evidence that she did graduate from the same high school in the same year to Hyunjoo. She accused that Hyunjoo was such an attention whore that most classmates were annoyed by her.


    Hyunjoo has reported the ex-staff to the police on libel. No progress on this libel case has been reported.

    Quote from queenyeji

    People mess up dates sometimes and I believe this is the case because in korea faking medical records must be hard (and give you a lil jail time?)

    It was not simply about the date.

    Truth

    Chaekyung existed in predebut timeline.

    Hyunjoo's story

    Chaekyung did not exist.


    Truth

    Naeun joined debut lineup very late and, she even only joined DSP shortly before added to the lineup.

    Hyunjoo's story

    Naeun bullied her since early on.


    Besides, netz accused Chaewon of lying for messing up week or month but, Hyunjoo even mistook the year.


    Chaewon also got medical record to back up that she was traumatized by Hyunjoo.

    This isn't netizens, this is fineapples taking advantage of the silence to demonize Hyunjoo.


    Her saying one member in particular didn't bully her could simply mean they didn't bully her. If my memory serves me well, she never singled any particular member on what they actual did to her, it was just "the group" so it's not that surprising Naeun was grouped in with the "since the beginning/2014"


    Also, Chaekyung could have very well been in a different pool of trainees than the ones being considered for the April lineup, some companies group them differently.



    If these "inconsistencies" are clear proof Hyunjoo is making this up, how can you stand behind April, who've completely rewritten their side several times over and been caught lying too?

    Quote from queenyeji

    People mess up dates sometimes and I believe this is the case because in korea faking medical records must be hard (and give you a lil jail time?)

    When April members messed the dates people were using this as a proof that they are bullies, so well, the rules must apply to everybody.

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    Quote from Golden_Wishes

    Also, Chaekyung could have very well been in a different pool of trainees than the ones being considered for the April lineup, some companies group them differently.

    As you can see on the post, DSP only had 7 female trainees at that time, before Naeun joined the company. Yuji from Baby KARA already left by then and eventually debuted with AppleB and 3YE later on. KARD’s Jiwoo became a trainee in 2016. Anyway, as mentioned, the said trainees on the pic were: Somin, Yena, Chaewon, Hyunjoo, Shiyoon, Chaekyung, Jinsol. They are a very small company and all trainees in DSP have interacted with one another. The only reason Shiyoon and Chaekyung did not join APRIL during debut was that they chose to be actresses before PD 101

    Quote from nana18

    The thing that i find weird in this whole story is that Dsp is pursuing Hyunjoo in Justice yet she still carries her activities under the label she recently was casted in a web drama and she got a brand deal how is that possible ?

    HJ is already a free agent after she refused to be contacted by DSP about this issue. She was later on removed by DSP on their website. She claimed that she couldn’t work because of the issue but she had a webdrama that was still shown after the incident and even accepted a role for another webdrama recently. DSP did not block her job offer unlike how she claimed

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    I think this case should get updated from 'bullying' case

    to 'banter' between members


    this seems like kids without confidence battling for a spotlight ending with them hurting each other because of jealousy and misunderstandings

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    The thing that i find weird in this whole story is that Dsp is pursuing Hyunjoo in Justice yet she still carries her activities under the label she recently was casted in a web drama and she got a brand deal how is that possible ?

    She left the company iirc


    And this is clearly just the few remaining april fans working hard to create a narrative. Nobody on knetz side has said something against Hyunjoo and this post has a lot of misinformation

    For everyone who says

    "OnLy FiNeaPple iS TrYinG tO FiT tHeIr OwN NarRaTioN"

    There are people commented on Hyunjoo's Youtube channel that they are not fans. Even some of them was Hyunjoo's side at first.

    What lie?? What misinformation?? You guys are the one who blatantly trying to fit your 'April is bully group' agenda here. When digital evidences since pre-debut April can be searched easily.


    You want to defend her lies? Explain and show proof to this evidence's videos then:

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    It seemed like it was only Fineapple pestering her for clarification at first. But, after clarification requests were deleted, broader Knetz started to sus. Her reaction was opposite to Chaewon who boldly said she had nothing to hide after being accused of lying.

    Quote from Simba

    To hyunjoo supporters why would she sued the ex dsp staff and not April? If April was really lying about her why wouldn't she sued them too?

    The claims made by the April members just aren't serious enough or concrete enough for a lawsuit


    them thinking she's lazy and doesn't want to work is an interpretation and you can't really sue people just because they have a negative opinion. The main problem with this whole thing is it's just HJ and April interpreting the same thing differently


    The ex staff member flat out called her a manipulative whore that used suicide to manipulate people, got plastic surgery and skipped work to be with her bf. That's clear slander

    Quote from Golden_Wishes

    The claims made by the April members just aren't serious enough or concrete enough for a lawsuit


    them thinking she's lazy and doesn't want to work is an interpretation and you can't really sue people just because they have a negative opinion. The main problem with this whole thing is it's just HJ and April interpreting the same thing differently


    The ex staff member flat out called her a manipulative whore that used suicide to manipulate people, got plastic surgery and skipped work to be with her bf. That's clear slander

    It does. April's members accused her habitual liar. For example, telling the CEO they harassed her in the practice room but, no harassment could be seen on CCTV.

    Quote from bzzz

    It does. April's members accused her habitual liar. For example, telling the CEO they harassed her in the practice room but, no harassment could be seen on CCTV.

    Still not something that can be proved or strong enough to attempt a lawsuit. She's already in a legal battle with DSP and that "employee" 3 lawsuits at the same time is a lot

    Quote from Golden_Wishes

    Still not something that can be proved or strong enough to attempt a lawsuit. She's already in a legal battle with DSP and that "employee" 3 lawsuits at the same time is a lot

    I guess hj is worrying abt how her claims against April is slowly falling apart now. Now that people are finding out facts from back then. Like the dorm was used by rainbow in 2014 and early 2015, they talked abt giving the dorm to their lil sisters (April). So where was hyunjoo living in 2014? Hyunjoo joined dsp as an actress in 2014, so she wasn't an idol trainee then. Some members of April didn't join dsp until 2015. Was it the original line up for April that bullied her? If that's the case why did she only mention the members that debuted with her?

    Quote from Simba

    I guess hj is worrying abt how her claims against April is slowly falling apart now. Now that people are finding out facts from back then. Like the dorm was used by rainbow in 2014 and early 2015, they talked abt giving the dorm to their lil sisters (April). So where was hyunjoo living in 2014? Hyunjoo joined dsp as an actress in 2014, so she wasn't an idol trainee then. Some members of April didn't join dsp until 2015. Was it the original line up for April that bullied her? If that's the case why did she only mention the members that debuted with her?

    It still doesn't really look like her claims are falling apart to me.


    In her own statement, she never calls out any particular member. Ever

    She never says who bullied her when, just that it started in 2014. That's it.

    A lot of trainees are trained in both acting and performance. She could have had her training focused in acting but still been going to dance and singing lessons

    They could have had a different or smaller dorm before the Rainbow one.


    Fineapples are trying to blow up these little "inconsistencies" when it really is nothing. In what way is her story falling apart?


    Her brother and her friend were both sued for defamation (and they made a lot more serious claims than HJ) and those were dismissed multiple times.

    A lot of the things they mentioned were confirmed by April, they just put a different spin on it that doesn't make them look bad.

    April have messed up their dates just as much as her

    They've changed their stories from being beat friends with her, to not getting along to her suddenly being the bully.

    Theyre the ones talking about her suicide attempt and how it inconvenienced them more than any compassion for the girl that literally tried to kill herself.

    dsp is a small company where would they get money to have their trainees in a dorms?


    There is proof of rainbow and April using the same dorm. It's about a minute walk to dsp. Hyunjoo even said that they lived and trained together for half a year before debut. April debut in August, so the would have started living together around March 2015. So where was Hyunjoo living in 2014? There was one member who would make the 4 hours round trip during their trainee days.


    The brother and friend only knew what hyunjoo told them. So dsp should have sued her first.

    In her medical records her brother showed, it didn't look like she was in the hospital for long. If somebody really tried to harm themselves I doubt they would let u leave the hospital the same day. Why did she go to the hospital near her hometown? She said she had to live with them 24/7 but that hospital is more than an hour away from the dorms. If she was in danger she would go to the nearest hospital. My guess is she was home when that happened. April even talked about how they didn't know what happened until a month later. There's a lot I'm most likely forgetting to add.

    But some of y'all don't even want to listen to April side. Y'all do this all the time. I'm not a fan of neither April or hyunjoo but I took the time to research. And look at both sides evidence.

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    In her own statement, she never calls out any particular member. Ever
    - That was really strategic of her, her lawyers really made sure that she won't drop names. So her brother and friend just invented the stories and who "bullied" her with no input from her.


    She never says who bullied her when, just that it started in 2014. That's it.
    - Good point. Maybe Jaekyung or Youngji was the one who really bullied her in 2014.


    A lot of trainees are trained in both acting and performance. She could have had her training focused in acting but still been going to dance and singing lessons

    -No point of contention here.

    They could have had a different or smaller dorm before the Rainbow one.
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    Fineapples are trying to blow up these little "inconsistencies" when it really is nothing. In what way is her story falling apart?

    - She is being very cautious by not answering calls for her to explain her inconsistencies (because that is what they are) or show evidence. Keep in mind that inconsistencies are understandable when making statements or being questioned; it's when you cannot explain these inconsistencies that your statements will be explicitly used against you.
    Her brother and her friend were both sued for defamation (and they made a lot more serious claims than HJ) and those were dismissed multiple times.

    - Only once for each case. Also, as DSP stated, " To fully quote the exact reason for charges being cleared without distortion, “Charges were cleared as it is difficult to say that there was an intention of defamation and a recognition of false information.”


    A lot of the things they mentioned were confirmed by April, they just put a different spin on it that doesn't make them look bad.

    - If a theft happened, the accused does not have to prove that the accuser's property wasn't stolen, only that he/she was not the one who stole it.


    April have messed up their dates just as much as her

    - No point of contention. However, April's side issued corrections.

    They've changed their stories from being beat friends with her, to not getting along to her suddenly being the bully.
    - Relationships are not static.
    They're the ones talking about her suicide attempt and how it inconvenienced them more than any compassion for the girl that literally tried to kill herself.
    - As opposed to the members stating that her behavioral and health issues benefited the group.

    - As for "literally", until she shows the details of her medical report, we will be unable to determine if her overdose is really a case of suicide. Then, she will have to prove that bullying was the cause as she alleges.
    If her medical report is her only proof, it can be argued that her attempt may be due to family issues, relationship, financial problems, delinquency, curiosity, or even an accident. She needs a strong, clear evidence of her allegations, and so far, she has none.

    Now that people (whether April fans or not does not even matter) are calling her out, examining her statements, and asking to present convincing proof, she deletes their comments? She even refused cross-examination (which is no doubt her right, but definitely odd considering she is the accuser). Meanwhile, April/DSP has answered her side's statements point by point, explained and corrected their inconsistent details, and yet there are still those who refuse to consider their weight.

    Like we've been saying, if her accusations can be proven true, then we would be the first to withdraw support from April because bullying and abuse will never be justified. Instead, more evidence against her allegations and even behavior is showing up over time.

    It is very easy for us to outright believe Hyunjoo, after all, she looks harmless and behaves innocently while the other members are chaotic. She was even my first bias when they debuted.


    However, if you are the accused and know for sure that you did not bully her (which is April's stance), would you admit to her allegations just to end the issue, or would you insist that you are telling the truth and defend your innocence? How would you react when people do not believe the witnesses you present, witnesses who were there when the accusations were said to have happened (and isn't it glaring that no former or current DSP staff came to Hyunjoo's defense)? When people do not believe the proofs you present? When the hard work you've built for 7 years crumbles due to an accusation that you are sure did not happen? And to think that it was from your previous workmate?


    And no, you do not just believe a person who says he/she is a victim of someone. You first find out the truth, because it will always be morally and legally preferable to set a perpetrator free than to punish an innocent person.

    DSP was a mid tier company back then and still had Kara. Having a dorm for trainees and for artists isn't that outrageous



    As well, her hospital date doesn't date when she was discharged, just the day she was admitted and the day the report was written up, aka the next day. It had the code on it for a suicide and the method of the attempt, overdose. Outside of it being in Seoul, the same city as DSP, the rest of the hospital name is blacked out. Hours away?

    Relationships are not static, that is true. However, each time they're recalling the event, the story changes and they're more and more a victim. They aren't talking about their current relationship with her, they're supposed to be recalling their relationship back then. That is not a "dynamic relationship" that is clear-cut inconsistent and unreliable narration, memories do not evolve that much


    Her medical records have her drug intoxication coded as an F190. A suicide attempt

    DSP "법적대응", 다시 올라온 반박글의 drug intoxication란? - 내외뉴스통신
    그룹 에이프릴 전 멤버 이현주의 동생이라고 주장하는 누리꾼이 ‘이현주 누나 동생입니다’라는 제목에 “멤버분들은 꼭 반성하고 사과하고 인정해주셨으면 좋겠습니다.”라는 글에 소속사 DSP미디어는 "법...
    www.nbnnews.co.kr


    Hyunjoo is being sued by DSP for defamation. She has not made any statements about her claims since as realistically, that's just damage her case very severely. She's probably not allowed to talk about it. DSP and the members of April don't have those restrictions and it's notable they started getting more vocal after the lawsuit once Hyunjoo and her side stopped commenting on it.


    Why would DSP staff speak out against their own artists and get themselves fired? That is not glaring at all. DSP and their staff have a vested interest to protect the bigger asset: April


    The tone you have for April's side vs hyunjoo's (and the fact that I found the tweet that caused so many new fineapples to flock to this thread, including yours and the far-too-many nasty tweets you have about her)

    Your stance is clear and I'm not wasting anymore time on this.

    Quote from 4d-maknae

    Nah the only thing I see now is this thread getting weird with new users with only a couple of posts repeating the same thing and acting like bots... I don't think I should spent more time here

    yeah I notice it too lol it seems a few fineaples made an account here just to post in this thread and like each other's posts lol very suspicious to me

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    yeah I notice it too lol it seems a few fineaples made an account here just to post in this thread and like each other's posts lol very suspicious to me

    Idk abt anybody else but i didn't know allkpop had a forum. I barely know how to use this 🤣🤣🤣 I usually use their website sometimes. I'm not a fan of neither April or hyunjoo. But I have been watching the case since it started,so I have seen how people have dragged down April before they made their first statement. With cases like this people shouldn't attack them.

    Quote from Slayurfaves

    yeah I notice it too lol it seems a few fineaples made an account here just to post in this thread and like each other's posts lol very suspicious to me

    Good for them, at least they are working hard for their faves lol but they should realize this forum isn't going to change things for April in Korea, not matter how many accounts they create and how much they upvote themselves

    Quote from Simba

    Dsp tried to contact her many times but she never answered them....

    And then tried to put out a statement like 4 months later claiming to just want an apology from them whilst asking for the hate towards the members to stop. No wonder the members expressed they were pissed about that shit in their interview. She didn’t want a genuine apology. She wanted a PUBLIC apology towards a claim that they vehemently deny (probably for a good reason)


    Any misunderstandings or disputes could have been dealt with in person/in private but naw. She wanted them to admit they were terrible bullies towards her in public so she could reap the benefits afterwards. Fucking bullshit.

    Quote from Golden_Wishes

    Her medical records have her drug intoxication coded as an F190. A suicide attempt

    http://www.nbnnews.co.kr/news/…tml?idxno=473653#_enliple


    Until a licensed MEDICAL PROFESSIONAL says otherwise, F19.0 is NOT SUICIDE ATTEMPT!


    Source: KCDCode.kr



    Quote from KCD Code - F19.0

    F19.0 여러 약물 사용 및 기타 정신활성물질 사용에 의한 급성 중독

    • [신체부위] 정신
    • [표제어] 여러 약물 사용 및 기타 정신활성물질 사용에 의한 급성 중독
    • [용어] 여러 약물 사용 및 기타 정신활성물질 사용에 의한 급성 취한상태
    • [용어] 여러 약물 사용 및 기타 정신활성물질 사용에 의한 나쁜 환각적 경험
    • [용어] 여러 약물 사용 및 기타 정신활성물질 사용에 의한 취한상태 NOS
    • [용어] 여러 약물 사용 및 기타 정신활성물질 사용에 의한 병적 중독
    • [용어] 여러 약물 사용 및 기타 정신활성물질 중독에서 몽환상태 및 빙의증
    • [용어] 약물중독을 의미하는 중독 (T36-T50) (제외)
    • [표제어] Acute intoxication due to multiple drug use and use of other psychoactive substances
    • [용어] Acute drunkenness due to multiple drug use and use of other psychoactive substances
    • [용어] Bad trips due to multiple drug use and use of other psychoactive substances
    • [용어] Drunkenness NOS due to multiple drug use and use of other psychoactive substances
    • [용어] Pathological intoxication of multiple drug use and use of other psychoactive substances
    • [용어] Trance and possession disorders in multiple drug use and use of other psychoactive substances intoxication
    • [용어] Intoxication meaning poisoning(T36-T50) (제외)


    Not a single thing there says "SUICIDE ATTEMPT" no matter what Hyunjoo's brother or some reports says.


    You know what diagnosis says "SUICIDE ATTEMPT"


    Quote from KCD Code - X60-X84 Suicide (attempted)

    X60-X84 Suicide (attempted) - 고의적 자해(X60-X84)

    • [표제어] 고의적 자해(X60-X84)
    • [용어] 의도적인 자해에 의한 중독 또는 손상 (포함)
    • [용어] 자살(기도) (포함)
    • [표제어] Intentional self-harm(X60-X84)
    • [용어] Purposely self-inflicted poisoning or injury (포함)
    • [용어] Suicide (attempted) (포함)

    So stop saying that Hyunjoo's medical record is proof of a suicide attempt - IT IS NOT!

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