Undoubtedly biggest group of 4th gen, but their music isn’t my cup of tea unfortunately
As they should. Their artistry and stage command is astonishing and one of a kind.
Katseye's Lara's sister (also a singer) knows this tour is it
plz aespa are bigger
Undoubtedly biggest group of 4th gen, but their music isn’t my cup of tea unfortunately
Yeah in a way same I guess I like some of their songs but I don’t know if I like them enough to see them on tour
Honestly, them blowing up with God's Menu and then winning Kingdom solidified their fandom growth. No other 4th gen group is matching them internationally when it comes to sales and touring stats. Domestically is a completely different story but outside of Korea, there is NO competition.
Not even that
It's like a lifetime achievement for greatest popstar with Ariana, Taylor, Beyonce, the Justins, Madonna etc and they give it to some dude named Chad. Said dude apparently does crazy numbers but you've literally never heard or encountered his work ever.
Who is Chad?
Where did Chad come from?
When?
What?
Not even close.
They have a big fandom. The story concludes there.
Not even close.
They have a big fandom. The story concludes there.
It would be a good topic for a thread. Who is bigger in the history of kpop: Stray Kids, EXO or SEVENTEEN?
It would be a good topic for a thread. Who is bigger in the history of kpop: Stray Kids, EXO or SEVENTEEN?
I know several EXO and Seventeen songs, because they have actual hits and public following.
I know zero Stray Kids songs. And the same holds true for anyone who isn't one of their fans
No offense to said fans, but that's just facts. We all have our criteria.
I'll never crown a group with literally zero hits
Honestly, them blowing up with God's Menu and then winning Kingdom solidified their fandom growth. No other 4th gen group is matching them internationally when it comes to sales and touring stats. Domestically is a completely different story but outside of Korea, there is NO competition.
Personally, I don't think Kingdom had that much of an impact on their fanbase other than helping putting them on the radar of korean fans and grew their fanbase domestically to an extent. Also the connection that was build with Ryan Reynolds — what we could see the benefits only last year with their various partnerships.
What helped them to solidify their fandom was the fact they stubbornly found a niche and filled It with the songs they released, making good choices as title tracks. They were viral/got a hit in big markets for K-pop (Japan and China), obviously, but also had interest from a general public who weren't K-pop fans to being with, hence why they are so popular in markets that are usually hard for K-pop groups to have even a niche of fans/listeners while most groups are stuck in a community of people who has been listening to K-pop consistently.
Not even close.
They have a big fandom. The story concludes there.
Nah they are the biggest with no competition at all.
It would be a good topic for a thread. Who is bigger in the history of kpop: Stray Kids, EXO or SEVENTEEN?
EXO
In that order. It’s not even like a worthwhile discussion lol the stats are here for the world to see.
+1000 at least for BGs.
I have literally one acquaintance that is still into Kpop as much as me. She has eyes for one group.
SKZ.
She listens to no one else. Goes to no other trips or concerts. But she has gone to multiple SKZ concerts, flown halfway around the world to go to them.
After BTS, SKZ is probably the only relevant BG in Kpop right now.
Display MoreI know several EXO and Seventeen songs, because they have actual hits and public following.
I know zero Stray Kids songs. And the same holds true for anyone who isn't one of their fans
No offense to said fans, but that's just facts. We all have our criteria.
I'll never crown a group with literally zero hits
That’s just your anecdotal experience which as we all know means nothing. my anecdotal experience is that every Tom dick and Harry I know, knows stray kids.
They don’t have bits in Korea but they have huge numbers on YouTube and Spotify and those are not going anywhere.
That’s just your anecdotal experience which as we all know means nothing. my anecdotal experience is that every Tom dick and Harry I know, knows stray kids.
They don’t have bits in Korea but they have huge numbers on YouTube and Spotify and those are not going anywhere.
My experience is more valuable than anyone else's. Let's be real. I'm not a casual and I've been a K-Pop fan for well over a decade.
I have no knowledge of any SKZ songs because they have no hits.
No K-Pop group in the history of the industry has been the top group with zero hits.
That's just how it works.
Display More+1000 at least for BGs.
I have literally one acquaintance that is still into Kpop as much as me. She has eyes for one group.
SKZ.
She listens to no one else. Goes to no other trips or concerts. But she has gone to multiple SKZ concerts, flown halfway around the world to go to them.
After BTS, SKZ is probably the only relevant BG in Kpop right now.
Yeah agree I feel people don’t realize just how big SKZ is. I’m not even kidding their concert was like THE event here 😭
I have fomo right now cuz I’m the token kpop stan at work and I didn’t go to the con 
Display MoreMy experience is more valuable than anyone else's. Let's be real. I'm not a casual and I've been a K-Pop fan for well over a decade.
I have no knowledge of any SKZ songs because they have no hits.
No K-Pop group in the history of the industry has been the top group with zero hits.
That's just how it works.
Yama you’re nothing and it’s obvious here. SKZ is THE biggest thing in kpop right now and nothing will change that.
I'm more than you'll ever be. That's for sure. And my opinions on this industry have far more logic, credibility, industry savvy, trend identification, experience, data and a host of other elements to support them.
SKZ will never be the biggest thing when people outside their fandom don't know their music at all.
I'll take them more seriously when they have at least ONE major hit. Until then, they have a massive fandom, but I will never rank them as the top group with just that, and most people won't either.
Makes for a good time waster of a debate, but it's not a credible statement. Not that you ever make any.
Display MoreI'm more than you'll ever be. That's for sure. And my opinions on this industry have far more logic, credibility, industry savvy, trend identification, experience, data and a host of other elements to support them.
SKZ will never be the biggest thing when people outside their fandom don't know their music at all.
I'll take them more seriously when they have at least ONE major hit. Until then, they have a massive fandom, but I will never rank them as the top group with just that, and most people won't either.
Makes for a good time waster of a debate, but it's not a credible statement. Not that you ever make any.
You are nothing Yama. This all just circles back to that fact that your favs were touring nugus or never started touring and nothing more.
The stats are there you just can’t accept that touring is the number one important criteria for many of us.
If you want your thread to not only survive but thrive, be a little more creative than repeating the same stale, sterile attempts at insulting me, and please try a new trick besides the typical lowest common denominator tactic of "oh yeah!? well your favs suck!!"
You have always been horrific at debating and presenting a cogent argument. I'll give you one more response, and then I leave your thread to rot.
If you made a list of the most iconic 4th generation songs, and it was 30 songs long, SKZ wouldn't even make the list, and you expect us to all agree with your uninformed opinion that they're the UNDISPUTED top group?
Not without any hit songs. You have your criteria. It's flawed but it's yours. For the rest of us, with actual standards for what benchmarks a top group should clear, one irreconcilable necessity is for the people to know your damn music. Period.
I was not an iKon fan, but I knew Love Scenario.
I was not a WannaOne fan, but I knew Energetic.
I was not originally a BTS fan, but I knew Blood, Sweat and Tears.
I was not an EXO fan, but I knew Call Me Baby.
I was not a Winner fan, but I knew Really Really.
And I could name so many more songs than that.
SKZ? None. Because they have no hit songs that elevate beyond just being mass streamed by their fandom.
I need more meat on the bone, and that is the case for most people.
Again, this thread is good fodder for a silly debate, but there is no doubt that it is indeed silly.
When SKZ get a true hit, then we can talk about their "undisputed" placement.
Display MoreIf you want your thread to not only survive but thrive, be a little more creative than repeating the same stale, sterile attempts at insulting me, and please try a new trick besides the typical lowest common denominator tactic of "oh yeah!? well your favs suck!!"
You have always been horrific at debating and presenting a cogent argument. I'll give you one more response, and then I leave your thread to rot.
If you made a list of the most iconic 4th generation songs, and it was 30 songs long, SKZ wouldn't even make the list, and you expect us to all agree with your uninformed opinion that they're the UNDISPUTED top group?
Not without any hit songs. You have your criteria. It's flawed but it's yours. For the rest of us, with actual standards for what benchmarks a top group should clear, one irreconcilable necessity is for the people to know your damn music. Period.
I was not an iKon fan, but I knew Love Scenario.
I was not a WannaOne fan, but I knew Energetic.
I was not originally a BTS fan, but I knew Blood, Sweat and Tears.
I was not an EXO fan, but I knew Call Me Baby.
I was not a Winner fan, but I knew Really Really.
And I could name so many more songs than that.
SKZ? None. Because they have no hit songs that elevate beyond just being mass streamed by their fandom.
I need more meat on the bone, and that is the case for most people.
Again, this thread is good fodder for a silly debate, but there is no doubt that it is indeed silly.
When SKZ get a true hit, then we can talk about their "undisputed" placement.
You’re the one repeating the same nonsense lol. Others are not.
Why can’t you accept that touring is the #1 criteria for many of us. You need to stfu or gtfo back to your echo chamber and move on. For us you are just a salty loser who is a delulu about his non performing favs in touring. That’s all everyone will ever see you as.
They have zero hit songs. Nobody outside of their fandom knows their music. They are disqualified from being an "undisputed" top until that changes. Period. If the thread is ruined because I disagreed with your awful take, that means it was a shit thread to begin with.
But it has been entertaining to watch you throw a temper tantrum because someone calls out your vapid, specious and nonsensical arbitrary goalpost setting and criteria for what defines a top group.
You don't have the qualifications to argue that. I do. You've never been able to understand numbers or intelligently contextualize them, so it's laughable that you're engaging in egregious projection by throwing around words like "dumbass" and "stupid".
You, as usual, have zero substance. Just mindless yapping, cringe ad hominem and elementary argumentation.
SKZ has a massive fandom and do great tour numbers.
That's all we can definitively declare about them as being undisputed. The rest can EASILY be disputed. I've just proven that.
You're really so triggered that someone dare to appropriately spotlight how horrific your frigid takes are, that you are triple posting in a blind rage
Imagine taking K-Pop that seriously. Well, I guess you don't have to because you do. The fact this is your actual personality and not some intentionally satirical caricature is just sad.
Did I mention your opinions in this thread have been awful? Let me reiterate it.
They ain't the undisputed top. I don't give a fuck how they tour if only their fans know their songs. Full stop.
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