Red Velvet vs. MAMAMOO

I know at least two users who will vote for Mamamoo

I mean talent wise? Mamamoo. Hands down.

Listenability when it comes to discography? Red Velvet, hands down.

mamamoo has better vocals and does better with variety but rv is better at acting and has better visuals. when it comes to dancing, rv is better but only because of seulgi so i guess i have to say that overall it's rv by a slight margin

Red Velvet music is better

this is one of those cases where talent takes a back seat. Just like nmixx

Hey CaraFIMIE did you use Twitter in the past couple of days or something? I've seen a LOT of 18 year olds arguing about the same thing, because Mamamoo won a poll on K*reaboo.🤣

SNSD, RV and MMM are my TOP3 fave gg's basically, but I think this isn't a competition. Overall, Mamamoo is better. RV only has Wendy and Seulgi. The rest of them are decent at best. MMM is the ultimate All-Rounder group for a reason.

I know they're not an Idol group, but Big Mama vs MAMAMOO would be a more interesting comparison.

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mamamoo has better vocals and does better with variety but rv is better at acting and has better visuals. when it comes to dancing, rv is better but only because of seulgi so i guess i have to say that overall it's rv by a slight margin

HUH???

RV is better at acting? Mate, only Solar is an actual actress in Mamamoo, and she was nominated for Best Rookie Actress for both of her Musicals, and her Horror Movie will be released this year. I don't get why did you mention acting, tho, because both Yeri and Joy are rookies too, and Wendy like Solar is a musical actress.😂

Visuals are just a personal taste, just like music. So, that doesn't matter either.

As for dance, Seulgi a great dancer, but in Mamamoo pretty much everyone is a great dancer, especially Wheein and Moonbyul.

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this is one of those cases where talent takes a back seat. Just like nmixx

What do you mean?

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RV is better at acting? Mate, only Solar is an actual actress in Mamamoo, and she was nominated for Best Rookie Actress for both of her Musicals, and her Horror Movie will be released this year. I don't get why did you mention acting, tho, because both Yeri and Joy are rookies too, and Wendy like Solar is a musical actress.😂

Visuals are just a personal taste, just like music. So, that doesn't matter either.

As for dance, Seulgi a great dancer, but in Mamamoo pretty much everyone is a great dancer, especially Wheein and Moonbyul.

i mentioned acting because it's part of the idol gig. and i think visuals should count since it's a gift that they're born with just like vocal talent. it is subjective but i don't think it's gonna go very well for me if i try to argue that hwasa is prettier than irene. the dance thing is pretty tight. that's why i said that i only went with rv by a slight margin

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What do you mean?

this is one of those cases where, even though talent usually matters the most, it ends up taking a back seat just like with nmixx, who are talented, but their talent alone isn’t enough to make their songs worth listening to. On the other hand redvelvet's songs are consistently impressive and enjoyable.

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this is one of those cases where, even though talent usually matters the most, it ends up taking a back seat just like with nmixx, who are talented, but their talent alone isn’t enough to make their songs worth listening to. On the other hand redvelvet's songs are consistently impressive and enjoyable.

Bullshit.

I'll give you exactly one pass.

Don't make the mistake of thinking your subjective opinion on a discography is some kind of universal truth or fact. There are plenty of people who prefer Mamamoo's discography. I'm one of them.

Tred carefully.

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Bullshit.

I'll give you exactly one pass.

Don't make the mistake of thinking your subjective opinion on a discography is some kind of universal truth or fact. There are plenty of people who prefer Mamamoo's discography. I'm one of them.

Tred carefully.

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people who prefer rv's music and discography > people who prefer mamamoo's music and discography. Also

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this is one of those cases where, even though talent usually matters the most, it ends up taking a back seat just like with nmixx, who are talented, but their talent alone isn’t enough to make their songs worth listening to. On the other hand redvelvet's songs are consistently impressive and enjoyable.

Yeah this. MMM’s appeal is very limited. Neither do their members have broad appeal nor does their music. But I guess that’s the type of limitation certain groups have.

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Yeah this. MMM’s appeal is very limited. Neither do their members have broad appeal nor does their music. But I guess that’s the type of limitation certain groups have.

I absolutely agree, ı think it’s a hard situation for the fans to accept.

Oh, is about talent. Then Mamamoo, just because REd VElvet have Yeri.

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Yeah this. MMM’s appeal is very limited. Neither do their members have broad appeal nor does their music. But I guess that’s the type of limitation certain groups have.

This is such an ignorant comment.

At their peak, Mamamoo was literally one of the most popular girl groups in the industry, able to outchart BLACKPINK in Korea, be the most requested K-Pop group during college festival season, have multiple members release chart topping all-kill hits, and went on an incredible run from Immortal Song 2 to the Blue Dragon Film Festival, making history as the first idols to win IS2 and the first idols to EVER get a positive reception at BDFF and were even invited to perform the very next year.

Mamamoo does not appeal to YOU, but your shit opinion doesn't represent the general public. As usual, you have no IDEA what you're talking about.

I was in Korea walking the streets of Seoul during Mamamoo's peak. Their music played everywhere.

I went to the biggest aquarium in Seoul and watching a couple divers do a show for the audience with the fish in the exhibit. You know what song they played for the show? Decalcomanie by Mamamoo.

If you all thought I was belligerent and toxic when it comes to NewJeans, keep fucking disrespecting Mamamoo like this and I'll show everyone what those words really mean.

I don't know, but I want Seulgi and Moonbyul to hold hands and go on a date, where they eat red velvet cake and drink cow milk.

RV has absolutely zero stage presence and their vocals are overrated and full of deceptive practices that are now mainstream in pop music (lipsync, backtrack, autotune).

MMM also got caught doing all kinds of autotune for a supposedly "live" performance but at least they exude confidence and enjoyment in their stages - they actually look like they having fun onstage, and not like a kid being forced to do a dance recital by parents lol.

Bottom line, both are supposed to be renowned for their "vocals" but they feasting on autotune, lipsyncing, and backtracks just like the rest of pop at this point. I give the edge to MMM for their stages though.

RV is very much clear of mamamú

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RV has absolutely zero stage presence and their vocals are overrated and full of deceptive practices that are now mainstream in pop music (lipsync, backtrack, autotune).

MMM also got caught doing all kinds of autotune for a supposedly "live" performance but at least they exude confidence and enjoyment in their stages - they actually look like they having fun onstage, and not like a kid being forced to do a dance recital by parents lol.

Bottom line, both are supposed to be renowned for their "vocals" but they feasting on autotune, lipsyncing, and backtracks just like the rest of pop at this point. I give the edge to MMM for their stages though.

It's Mamamoo, this is not even a debate

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i mentioned acting because it's part of the idol gig. and i think visuals should count since it's a gift that they're born with just like vocal talent. it is subjective but i don't think it's gonna go very well for me if i try to argue that hwasa is prettier than irene. the dance thing is pretty tight. that's why i said that i only went with rv by a slight margin

What? Acting has nothing to do with Idol life, it's a completely different job!

Most Idols didn't born "pretty" as you see them, it's all fake. Like it or not. Plastic surgery is the biggest business in SK for a reason. I mean, I don't mind, but let's not say they were born with their visuals and compare it with actual skills, like vocals, rap or dancing.

It doesn't matter who's prettier, being pretty is not a talent or skill!

I don't think dancing is tight when RV only has Seulgi, but MMM has 2 Pro dancers and 2 good dancers. It's just htir vocal skills overshadow their dancing skills.

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this is one of those cases where, even though talent usually matters the most, it ends up taking a back seat just like with nmixx, who are talented, but their talent alone isn’t enough to make their songs worth listening to. On the other hand redvelvet's songs are consistently impressive and enjoyable.

Again, what does this have to do anything with TALENT? What music you like more is just a personal taste. RV (or more like SME) is making more GP friendly music, MAMAMOO making music what THEY like!

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Yeah this. MMM’s appeal is very limited. Neither do their members have broad appeal nor does their music. But I guess that’s the type of limitation certain groups have.

Why are we talking about music when the topic is about TALENT?

If you wanna talk about music or appeal, at least do some research. Red Velvet doesn't have a broad appeal, not as wide as Mamamoo. RV is basically for the younger people and their own generation, meanwhile Mamamoo has no age limit. That's why they were so popular in their peak years. That's the whole reason they became big in SK, because they were guests on shows like "Immortal Songs 2", "Yu Hee-yeol's Sketchbook" etc. You can't see many Idol groups performing for old people, but Mamamoo did it many times. Saying, their appeal is very limited, is just being ignorant.

Not to mention, MAMAMOO is literally the first Kpop group that performed on Blue Dragon Awards for a crowd that most people labeled as "skeletons", because they always look dead when they watch Idols perform, but when MAMAMOO was on stage, they couldn't stop smiling and vibing on their song. And I'm pretty sure they're still the only Kpop group that was invited back twice in a row.

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This is false.

Nothing is false in my statement, it's an actual fact! And it was said by the industry, btw!

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What if I argued that Red Velvet is more talented

Then, you're wrong, and just wanna troll us.

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RV has absolutely zero stage presence and their vocals are overrated and full of deceptive practices that are now mainstream in pop music (lipsync, backtrack, autotune).

MMM also got caught doing all kinds of autotune for a supposedly "live" performance but at least they exude confidence and enjoyment in their stages - they actually look like they having fun onstage, and not like a kid being forced to do a dance recital by parents lol.

Bottom line, both are supposed to be renowned for their "vocals" but they feasting on autotune, lipsyncing, and backtracks just like the rest of pop at this point. I give the edge to MMM for their stages though.

How many times do I have to correct your statements about MAMAMOO never doing autotune? It's not their fault id DINGO or other Youtube Channels fixing a video later on!

ANYONE who says MAMAMOO is lip-syncing is dumb as fck! The whole Korean Industry making fun of them, because they can't do lip sync. You can say many things about MMM, but they only tried lip sync ONCE, and they failed miserably!

I'm pretty sure I already showed actual evidence that they're the ONE and ONLY Kpop group that never does lip sync.

This is their actual live vocals after a long concert, while Hwasa was sick, without any editing! Now, go to sleep, please!

As for live singing:

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I knew exactly what this thread would be before I even opened it; obsessive Mamamoo fans throwing a huge temper tantrum because their favorite group isn't universally beloved.

There's a reason why Red Velvet remained relevant much longer than Mamamoo did. The people have already spoken.

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I knew exactly what this thread would be before I even opened it; obsessive Mamamoo fans throwing a huger temper tantrum because their favorite group isn't universally beloved.

There's a reason why Red Velvet remained relevant much longer than Mamamoo did. The people have already spoken.

The funny things neither of us did what you're talking about, and I'm pretty sure both of us love Red Velvet as well. It's just people made this thread to make fun of Mamamoo and troll Yama, probably.

This is not about whom we love more, I don't give a damn about that, this is about TALENT, and most people here talking about totally different things, just like you. MMM didn't have a cb for almost 3 years, yet they're still the highest ranked girl group on Melon's UL list! Groups like BP, RV etc are not even on the TOP30, only TWICE and SNSD is on the list.

Saying, they're not relevant when they're still the most requested performers in Korea/Asia is just crazy. If you see the line-up of a festival/concert, you can see at least 1 Mamamoo member on the list.

They're doing more than 5 festivals, just in the next 2 months, in Asia. Hwasa is part of one of the biggest concert soon for the Immortal Songs Gyeongju APEC Special, not to mention KCon and her solo World Tour.

I'm sorry, but I don't see RV doing anything unless they have a comeback, but I would be surprised if SME gives them another cb in the next 2-3 years. They're basically in their SNSD era. Even tho, I don't want that.

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The funny things neither of us did what you're talking about, and I'm pretty sure both of us love Red Velvet as well. It's just people made this thread to make fun of Mamamoo and troll Yama, probably.

This is not about whom we love more, I don't give a damn about that, this is about TALENT, and most people here talking about totally different things, just like you. MMM didn't have a cb for almost 3 years, yet they're still the highest ranked girl group on Melon's UL list! Groups like BP, RV etc are not even on the TOP30, only TWICE and SNSD is on the list.

Saying, they're not relevant when they're still the most requested performers in Korea/Asia is just crazy. If you see the line-up of a festival/concert, you can see at least 1 Mamamoo member on the list.

They're doing more than 5 festivals, just in the next 1-2 months, in Asia. Hwasa is part of one of the biggest concert soon for the Immortal Songs Gyeongju APEC Special.

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I'm sorry, but I don't see RV doing anything unless they have a comeback, but I would surprise if SME give them another cb in the next 2-3 years. They're basically in their SNSD era. Even tho, I don't want that.

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You've done exactly what I've accused you of. Every single response has contained the anger of a thousand chihuahuas.

Mamamoo members perform at a bunch of small festivals no one cares about, because they have to make money somehow. When's the last time they had a hit song? I'll wait.

If they were actually as amazingly talented as their boosters always make them out to be, they wouldn't have fallen into a dark void years ago.

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What? Acting has nothing to do with Idol life, it's a completely different job!

Most Idols didn't born "pretty" as you see them, it's all fake. Like it or not. Plastic surgery is the biggest business in SK for a reason. I mean, I don't mind, but let's not say they were born with their visuals and compare it with actual skills, like vocals, rap or dancing.

It doesn't matter who's prettier, being pretty is not a talent or skill!

I don't think dancing is tight when RV only has Seulgi, but MMM has 2 Pro dancers and 2 good dancers. It's just htir vocal skills overshadow their dancing skills.

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idols are expected to develop their acting skills too since at the very least, they have to film mv and cf. i know a lot of em have surgery but not all. even if an idol has some work done, they'd still need to already have a base level of beauty to improve on. you can't just hack away at hwasa and turn her into a supermodel. and since we're talking the whole group in general, seulgi being the best dancer out of all of em should count as a win for rv. same as solar or any of the other members alone being funnier than any of the rv members when it comes to variety counts as a win for them in that category. and more obviously so when it comes to vocals

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You've done exactly what I've accused you of. Every single response has contained the anger of a thousand chihuahuas.

Mamamoo members perform at a bunch of small festivals no one cares about, because they have to make money somehow. When's the last time they had a hit song? I'll wait.

If they were actually as amazingly talented as their boosters always make them out to be, they wouldn't have fallen into a dark void years ago.

You really want to go there? MAMAMOO didn't have a cb since 2022. Their last cb "MIC ON" and their Title Track "ILLELLA" peaked #45 on Melon's TOP100! The last time TWICE had a hit song was in 2021, the highest charting song was "Talk that Talk" in 2020, and it peaked #20 on Melon. That's not much better than a small agency group, MAMAMOO.

You know when was the list time TWICE had a song that charted in the TOP10? In 2020 with "I can't stop Me". 😂

The funny thing is, neither of your faves would be close to MMM without their BIG agencies.

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idols are expected to develop their acting skills too since at the very least, they have to film mv and cf. i know a lot of em have surgery but not all. even if an idol has some work done, they'd still need to already have a base level of beauty to improve on. you can't just hack away at hwasa and turn her into a supermodel. and since we're talking the whole group in general, seulgi being the best dancer out of all of em should count as a win for rv. same as solar or any of the other members alone being funnier than any of the rv members when it comes to variety counts as a win for them in that category. and more obviously so when it comes to vocals

What you're saying makes zero sense. Visuals are not skills, it has nothing to do with talent.

Seulgi being the best dancer in RV doesn't mean they should get the win for the dance "battle" when Mamamoo has 2 much better dancers and 2 that are basically on her level or close to her.

MAMAMOO's weakest vocalist can outsing everyone in RV, except Wendy.

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What you're saying makes zero sense. Visuals are not skills, it has nothing to do with talent.

Seulgi being the best dancer in RV doesn't mean they should get the win for the dance "battle" when Mamamoo has 2 much better dancers and 2 that are basically on her level or close to her.

MAMAMOO's weakest vocalist can outsing everyone in RV, except Wendy.

i agree with the vocals. that's pretty obvious. i don't think of visuals as a skill. it's just a genetic gift. same as a person who is born with a particular set of vocal chords or lungs or whatever that automatically gives them a huge advantage over the rest of the population who are just average when it comes to singing. i think we're just gonna have to disagree with the dancing part. seulgi is the only one that stands out to me out of all of em. the rest are just alright