Yes he another. And yes on a scooter. Try jumping in front of a speeding scooter and see what happens. For science purposes.
SUGA's DUI
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Yes he another. And yes on a scooter. Try jumping in front of a speeding scooter and see what happens. For science purposes.
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As an american, being drunk on an electric scooter is more of a nuisance (i.e. public drunkenness) than a deadly crime (going 200 mph in a school zone while DUI)
I just wanted to point out that electric scooters are deadly. Literally a couple months ago in my LA neighborhood, a old man was hit by a woman not paying attention on an electric scooter going way too fast and he died. Was she drunk? No idea. It was a hit and run, and as far as I know, they never found her. Regardless, my point is that I really wish people wouldn't downplay how dangerous electric scooters are.
That being said. Nobody, let alone idols, deserve any of hate they receive. But also another reminder that Korean idols are idols. They are meant to be role models, and they are subject to much more scrutiny than popstars comparatively in the West are. Again, I don't condone it, but plenty of idols have their careers ended for less (Seunghan being a very recent example), so I don't think Suga's case is particularly uniquely harsh in its backlash. -
I just wanted to point out that electric scooters are deadly. Literally a couple months ago in my LA neighborhood, a old man was hit by a woman not paying attention on an electric scooter going way too fast and he died. Was she drunk? No idea. It was a hit and run, and as far as I know, they never found her. Regardless, my point is that I really wish people wouldn't downplay how dangerous electric scooters are.
Ohhh that's a fair point. I vaguely recall setting a speed limit for legally considering a motor vehicle in California by capping "cycling" scooters at 20 mph, where anything above that is a "motorbike" or something similar. I hadn't realized they'd be so deadly but yeah now that you point it out, it seems pretty dangerous.
That being said. Nobody, let alone idols, deserve any of hate they receive. But also another reminder that Korean idols are idols. They are meant to be role models, and they are subject to much more scrutiny than popstars comparatively in the West are. Again, I don't condone it, but plenty of idols have their careers ended for less (Seunghan being a very recent example), so I don't think Suga's case is particularly uniquely harsh in its backlash.
I feel like this is a perspective I need to focus more on. As an american, born and raised, I often tend to think "idols are humans and humans make mistakes" and indeed I tend to argue that, but as you've pointed out, idols are also role models -- and tend to walk a much finer tightrope in the public view in korea.
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I do think several people took it too far (such as trying to force him out of the group), but any form of DUI is serious no matter how people want to spin it. Yes, this time he was fine. This time he was "just" on the sidewalk and didn't hurt anybody. But it only takes one mistake, one slip up for something bad to happen - even while sober. Add alcohol or any other drug to the mix? It becomes even more dangerous.
This also happened, what, a month after an old woman had died in Korea due to a scooter accident similar to Yoongi's situation. So people were rightfully taking this seriously considering someone literally died in an accident regarding these scooters recently (at the time). It's not a joke, no matter how silly or outlandish it may seem. People have literally died due to negligence via those scooters.
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To clarify because I think people might misunderstand:
I'm not condoning any form of DUI as acceptable. DUI is something that can be extremely harmful to people no matter how minimal it might seem and that is something that I can understand having witnessed its devastating effects.
My motive behind this thread was to gain a better perception because most of the comments that I've seen regarding this issue either drags Suga to hell and back for it or just lays it off as "not a big deal."
So the main question is: what his offense that impactful(?) to warrant hate and calls for him to leave his group and the industry?
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No. He doesn’t need to leave BTS. I think once his military service is complete he needs to address it with his members and fans and reassure that this error in judgement won’t happen again. Does he have an issue with drinking too much? There has to be truthfulness and sincerity in words and action.
It is interesting to compare another SK high profile celebrity, Lee Jung-Jae, who has multiple DUI arrests with a CAR and assaulted a woman and having quite the high peak of his career right now with Squid Game
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I can't speak for Korea, but in my country there's been a massive increase in scooter related injuries (and two deaths) relating to scooter accidents, including 25% of those being 3rd party (ie not the person on the scooter).
To be on something like that while intoxicated is just.... an exceedingly poor lapse of judgement. A lapse of judgement that prompts questions about decision making.
Bit like Irene's scandal - it's not just the act itself, but the mindset someone has to have to even do this act is rather astonishing, it brings into question the nature of the person itself.
Then, ontop of the very questionable personal decision making, there was the elements of the cageyness and the poor attempts at mediaplay about the accident in question. That also gets people offside.
I'm not saying he should necessarily lose his career over this, but it's far more serious then people who go "oh it's just a scooter blah blah" understand or realize.
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everyone is free to cancel whoever they want for whatever reason they want
it's freedom of expression - however you are also free to defend whoever you want
hatred on the other hand is seemingly inappropriate but not illegal
and if some people want him (or anybody else) out of the group they should be able to espouse such views no? just as other people can also espouse the opposite view that he remain in the group
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Was the hate too much? Sure, but imo this blew up way more bc of armys (yes, not all). The way they reacted as if DUI is just a joke, tried to cancel a whole country over it, several hashtags when the news broke out etc kinda made people mad and as this is kpop, everything will go back to the idols, love or hate, unfortunately that it is.
But it's the same question with the same answer: if this was a BB/exo member would armys mind their own business or not?
Kpop is toxic, fans are even more and any real scandal will all be about fanwars in the end of the day.
Btw I don't think he is such an alcoholic like some fans tried to paint him just to excuse his crime.
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I just wish it was handled without lies do that he could face punishment that is just and move on
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no it wasnt that offensive
he also suffered bc there was a lot of fake news going on, people thought he played down the whole thing when he said exactly what it hapenned and it was the aggravating of the whole situation
people calling him criminal over this are delusional
that said driving anything under influence when you live from your image may it be a bike, a eletric scooter or a skate its a dumb move
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I just wish it was handled without lies do that he could face punishment that is just and move on
This is false, his statement has proven true with the CCtv footage. The ones who lied were the media and they got called out by the gobernment.
Kindly, stop spreading misinformation
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He got death wishes for months, harassment at his place of work even thought he is a civilian rn... this is so out of proportion for what it happened.
Its unacceptable.
Its funny to still see the same users who participated in the only harassment and rejoiced when they dragged him over fake cctv footage... now trying to find excuses for their behaviour.
Never fail to show them two faces...
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Kind of agree with this...for most of the users it was kind of like gotcha moment rather than taking the DUI seriously...but there were also few fans who downplay the dui tho
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It's fine, people weren't doing it because they were concerned about his actions. They were only doing it because they were pissed off at ARMYs.
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