Who was more popular at their peak? Big Bang or SNSD?

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Music show wins? Maybe?

wsoet I remember had something like that in the stats

Yes. Coincidentally, Big Bang and SNSD actually have almost the same number of music show wins, at 101 and 100, respectively.

BigBang

2007-09-07: Lies [Music Bank]

2007-09-08: Lies [Show Music Tank]

2007-09-09: Lies [Inkigayo]

2007-09-22: Lies [Show Music Tank]

2007-09-27: Lies [M Countdown]

2007-09-29: Lies [Show Music Tank]

2007-10-05: Lies [Music Bank]

2007-10-19: Lies [Music Bank]

2007-10-25: Lies [M Countdown]

2007-12-14: Last Farewell [Music Bank]

2007-12-15: Last Farewell [Show Music Tank]

2007-12-16: Last Farewell [Inkigayo]

2007-12-21: Last Farewell [Music Bank]

2007-12-22: Last Farewell [Show Music Tank]

2007-12-23: Last Farewell [Inkigayo]

2008-01-11: Last Farewell [Music Bank]

2008-01-13: Last Farewell [Inkigayo]

2008-01-17: Last Farewell [M Countdown]

2008-02-01: Last Farewell [Music Bank]

2008-08-22: Day by Day [Music Bank]

2008-08-24: Day by Day [Inkigayo]

2008-08-28: Day by Day [M Countdown]

2008-08-31: Day by Day [Inkigayo]

2008-09-04: Day by Day [M Countdown]

2008-09-05: Day by Day [Music Bank]

2008-09-07: Day by Day [Inkigayo]

2008-09-11: Day by Day [M Countdown]

2008-09-12: Day by Day [Music Bank]

2008-09-19: Day by Day [Music Bank]

2008-09-25: Day by Day [M Countdown]

2008-09-26: Day by Day [Music Bank]

2008-11-21: Sunset Glow [Music Bank]

2008-11-28: Sunset Glow [Music Bank]

2008-11-30: Sunset Glow [Inkigayo]

2008-12-04: Sunset Glow [M Countdown]

2008-12-07: Sunset Glow [Inkigayo]

2008-12-14: Sunset Glow [Inkigayo]

2008-12-26: Sunset Glow [Music Bank]

2011-03-03: Tonight [M Countdown]

2011-03-04: Tonight [Music Bank]

2011-03-06: Tonight [Inkigayo]

2011-03-10: Tonight [M Countdown]

2011-03-11: Tonight [Music Bank]

2011-03-13: Tonight [Inkigayo]

2011-03-17: Tonight [M Countdown]

2011-03-18: Tonight [Music Bank]

2011-03-20: Tonight [Inkigayo]

2011-04-17: Love Song [Inkigayo]

2011-04-22: Love Song [Music Bank]

2011-04-24: Love Song [Inkigayo]

2011-04-28: Love Song [M Countdown]

2011-05-01: Love Song [Inkigayo]

2012-03-08: Blue [M Countdown]

2012-03-09: Blue [Music Bank]

2012-03-11: Blue [Inkigayo]

2012-03-14: Blue [Music on Top]

2012-03-15: Fantastic Baby [M Countdown]

2012-03-16: Blue [Music Bank]

2012-03-18: Blue [Inkigayo]

2012-03-22: Fantastic Baby [M Countdown]

2012-03-25: Blue [Inkigayo]

2015-05-09: Loser [Music Core]

2015-05-10: Loser [Inkigayo]

2015-05-14: Loser [M Countdown]

2015-05-15: Loser [Music Bank]

2015-05-16: Loser [Music Core]

2015-05-17: Loser [Inkigayo]

2015-05-20: Loser [Show Champion]

2015-05-21: Loser [M Countdown]

2015-05-22: Loser [Music Bank]

2015-05-24: Loser [Inkigayo]

2015-06-11: Bang Bang Bang [M Countdown]

2015-06-14: Bang Bang Bang [Inkigayo]

2015-06-25: Bang Bang Bang [M Countdown]

2015-06-28: Bang Bang Bang [Inkigayo]

2015-07-09: Sober [M Countdown]

2015-07-11: Sober [Music Core]

2015-07-12: Sober [Inkigayo]

2015-08-15: Let's Not Fall in Love [Music Core]

2015-08-16: Let's Not Fall in Love [Inkigayo]

2015-08-21: Let's Not Fall in Love [Music Bank]

2015-08-22: Let's Not Fall in Love [Music Core]

2015-08-23: Let's Not Fall in Love [Inkigayo]

2016-12-22: Fxxk It [M Countdown]

2016-12-23: Last Dance [Music Bank]

2016-12-25: Fxxk It [Inkigayo]

2017-01-01: Fxxk It [Inkigayo]

2017-01-05: Fxxk It [M Countdown]

2017-01-08: Fxxk It [Inkigayo]

2017-01-12: Fxxk It [M Countdown]

2017-01-13: Fxxk It [Music Bank]

2017-01-20: Fxxk It [Music Bank]

2022-04-14: Still Life [M Countdown]

2022-04-17: Still Life [Inkigayo]

2022-04-21: Still Life [M Countdown]

2022-04-23: Still Life [Music Core]

2022-04-24: Still Life [Inkigayo]

2022-04-28: Still Life [M Countdown]

2022-04-30: Still Life [Music Core]

2022-05-01: Still Life [Inkigayo]

2022-05-07: Still Life [Music Core]

Girls' Generation

2007-10-11: Into the New World [M Countdown]

2007-11-25: Girls' Generation [Inkigayo]

2007-12-01: Girls' Generation [Show Music Tank]

2007-12-02: Girls' Generation [Inkigayo]

2007-12-06: Girls' Generation [M Countdown]

2007-12-20: Girls' Generation [M Countdown]

2008-02-03: Kissing You [Inkigayo]

2008-02-14: Kissing You [M Countdown]

2008-02-17: Kissing You [Inkigayo]

2008-02-28: Kissing You [M Countdown]

2008-02-29: Kissing You [Music Bank]

2008-04-10: Baby Baby [M Countdown]

2009-01-16: Gee [Music Bank]

2009-01-18: Gee [Inkigayo]

2009-01-23: Gee [Music Bank]

2009-01-30: Gee [Music Bank]

2009-02-01: Gee [Inkigayo]

2009-02-06: Gee [Music Bank]

2009-02-08: Gee [Inkigayo]

2009-02-13: Gee [Music Bank]

2009-02-20: Gee [Music Bank]

2009-02-27: Gee [Music Bank]

2009-03-06: Gee [Music Bank]

2009-03-13: Gee [Music Bank]

2009-06-26: Gee [Music Bank]

2009-07-10: Tell Me Your Wish (Genie) [Music Bank]

2009-07-12: Tell Me Your Wish (Genie) [Inkigayo]

2009-07-19: Tell Me Your Wish (Genie) [Inkigayo]

2009-12-25: Gee [Music Bank]

2010-02-05: Oh! [Music Bank]

2010-02-12: Oh! [Music Bank]

2010-02-14: Oh! [Inkigayo]

2010-02-19: Oh! [Music Bank]

2010-02-21: Oh! [Inkigayo]

2010-02-26: Oh! [Music Bank]

2010-02-28: Oh! [Inkigayo]

2010-03-05: Oh! [Music Bank]

2010-04-02: Run Devil Run [Music Bank]

2010-04-04: Run Devil Run [Inkigayo]

2010-04-09: Run Devil Run [Music Bank]

2010-04-11: Run Devil Run [Inkigayo]

2010-06-25: Oh! [Music Bank]

2010-11-05: Hoot [Music Bank]

2010-11-07: Hoot [Inkigayo]

2010-11-12: Hoot [Music Bank]

2010-11-19: Hoot [Music Bank]

2010-11-21: Hoot [Inkigayo]

2010-11-26: Hoot [Music Bank]

2010-11-28: Hoot [Inkigayo]

2010-12-03: Hoot [Music Bank]

2010-12-17: Oh! [Music Bank]

2011-10-27: The Boys [M Countdown]

2011-10-28: The Boys [Music Bank]

2011-10-30: The Boys [Inkigayo]

2011-11-03: The Boys [M Countdown]

2011-11-04: The Boys [Music Bank]

2011-11-06: The Boys [Inkigayo]

2011-11-10: The Boys [M Countdown]

2011-11-11: The Boys [Music Bank]

2011-11-13: The Boys [Inkigayo]

2011-11-18: The Boys [Music Bank]

2011-11-25: The Boys [Music Bank]

2011-12-02: The Boys [Music Bank]

2013-01-09: I Got a Boy [Music Triangle]

2013-01-10: I Got a Boy [M Countdown]

2013-01-11: I Got a Boy [Music Bank]

2013-01-17: I Got a Boy [M Countdown]

2013-01-18: I Got a Boy [Music Bank]

2013-01-24: I Got a Boy [M Countdown]

2013-01-25: I Got a Boy [Music Bank]

2014-03-06: Mr.Mr. [M Countdown]

2014-03-09: Mr.Mr. [Inkigayo]

2014-03-12: Mr.Mr. [Show Champion]

2014-03-13: Mr.Mr. [M Countdown]

2014-03-14: Mr.Mr. [Music Bank]

2014-03-15: Mr.Mr. [Music Core]

2014-03-19: Mr.Mr. [Show Champion]

2014-03-22: Mr.Mr. [Music Core]

2014-03-23: Mr.Mr. [Inkigayo]

2015-07-14: Party [The Show]

2015-07-15: Party [Show Champion]

2015-07-16: Party [M Countdown]

2015-07-17: Party [Music Bank]

2015-07-18: Party [Music Core]

2015-07-19: Party [Inkigayo]

2015-07-26: Party [Inkigayo]

2015-08-25: Lion Heart [The Show]

2015-08-26: Lion Heart [Show Champion]

2015-08-27: Lion Heart [M Countdown]

2015-08-28: Lion Heart [Music Bank]

2015-08-29: Lion Heart [Music Core]

2015-08-30: Lion Heart [Inkigayo]

2015-09-03: Lion Heart [M Countdown]

2015-09-04: Lion Heart [Music Bank]

2015-09-06: Lion Heart [Inkigayo]

2015-09-10: Lion Heart [M Countdown]

2015-09-11: Lion Heart [Music Bank]

2015-09-13: Lion Heart [Inkigayo]

2015-09-18: Lion Heart [Music Bank]

2015-09-19: Lion Heart [Music Core]

I'll say BB. They had way too many hits every year and successful tours.

I don't know If I know how to properly explain my point.

I'd say BIGBANG was more popular for their music alone in comparison to SNSD, but the later had a bigger cultural impact in terms of attachment to their image and branding.

I haven’t followed any of those groups but sonically and musically GG >>>>>>>>> BB. Longevity wise I would say the same. Taeyang and G dragon = Taeyeon and Yoona in terms of relevance so I would say they both are approximately similar in relevance and popularity.

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yes, thats the post I remembered.

Sales wise? Pretty sure they are very close as well.

I haven't been tracking physical sales, but I performed a quick sum of the figures listed on each artist's discography page on Wikipedia, and here's where we stand:

BigBang

2006-08-28: Big Bang First Single – 54333

2006-09-28: Big Bang Is V.I.P – 39232

2006-11-21: Big Bang 03 – 32348

2006-12-21: Big Bang Vol.1 – 86759

2007-02-08: First Live Concert: The Real – 26787

2007-08-16: Always – 101089

2007-11-22: Hot Issue – 94405

2008-01-04: For the World – <unknown>

2008-02-29: Second Live Concert: The Great – <unknown>

2008-05-28: With U – <unknown>

2008-08-08: Stand Up – 168024

2008-10-22: Number 1 – <unknown>

2008-11-05: Remember – 219572

2009-04-22: 2009 Big Show – <unknown>

2009-08-19: Big Bang – 67285

2009-08-19: Asia Best 2006–2009 – <unknown>

2010-08-19: 2010 Big Show – 36164

2011-02-24: Tonight – 155117

2011-04-08: Big Bang Special Edition – 99309

2011-05-11: Big Bang 2 – 98854

2011-05-25: The Ultimate: International Best – <unknown>

2011-06-17: 2011 Big Show – 30650

2011-12-14: The Best of Big Bang – 100000

2012-02-29: Alive – 283507

2012-03-28: Alive – 217000

2012-04-04: BigBang the Non Stop Mix – <unknown>

2012-06-03: Still Alive – 176627

2012-06-06: BigBang Best Selection – 779

2012-12-05: Special Final in Dome Memorial Collection – <unknown>

2013-01-10: Alive Tour 2012: Live in Seoul – 20126

2013-05-30: Alive Galaxy Tour 2013: The Final in Seoul – 18656

2013-12-18: BigBang Non Stop Mega Mix mixed by DJ Wildparty – <unknown>

2014-05-28: 2014 BigBang +α in Seoul – 11001

2014-11-26: The Best of Big Bang 2006–2014 – 223690

2015-05-01: M – 140821

2015-06-01: A – 104849

2015-07-01: D – 96689

2015-08-05: E – 129680

2015-10-17: Best Selection Hi Quality CD – <unknown>

2016-02-03: Made Series – 202600

2016-06-03: 2016 Big Bang World Tour (Made) Final in Seoul Live – 15102

2016-10-13: BigBang10 The Vinyl LP: Limited Edition – <unknown>

2016-10-25: BigBang10 The Collection – 'A to Z' – <unknown>

2016-12-12: Made – 276392

2017-05-25: Big Bang 10 the Concert 0.TO.10 Final in Seoul Live – <unknown>

TOTAL – 3327447

Girls' Generation

2007-11-01: Girls' Generation – 174545

2008-03-13: Baby Baby – 102034

2009-01-07: Gee – 100000

2009-06-29: Genie – 100000

2010-01-28: Oh! – 247520

2010-03-22: Run Devil Run – 191779

2010-10-27: Hoot – 206110

2010-12-30: Into the New World – 101899

2011-06-01: Girls' Generation – 871000

2011-10-19: The Boys – 471620

2011-12-28: Re:package Album "Girls' Generation" ~The Boys~ – <unknown>

2012-11-28: Girls & Peace – 204000

2013-01-01: I Got a Boy – 318886

2013-03-20: Best Selection Non Stop Mix – 24600

2013-04-11: 2011 Girls' Generation Tour – 21500

2013-12-10: Love & Peace – 171000

2014-02-24: Mr.Mr. – 174931

2014-07-23: The Best – 182800

2015-08-19: Lion Heart – 165361

2017-08-07: Holiday Night – 178407

2022-08-05: Forever 1 – 294948

TOTAL – 4302940

A couple of caveats: We're missing quite a few sales figures for BigBang, and in general, pre-Gaon era sales numbers just aren't as reliable typically.

BigBang and it shouldn’t be close -_-

I knew Bigbang before I got into kpop, but never heard about SNSD and I know multiple people that actually listen to Bigbang and these people don't care about kpop at all.

Bigbang is the most popular music act in Korean history. They were more popular than IU tbh at their peaks.

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Bigbang is the most popular music act in Korean history. They were more popular than IU tbh at their peaks.

Now that’s a lie. They were a lot of top 2nd gen groups and EXO until 2018-2019 and then BTS. BTS is the most popular music act in Korean history, then IU then Exo then Bigbang

SNSD was huge, but Big Bang was even bigger

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Now that’s a lie. They were a lot of top 2nd gen groups and EXO until 2018-2019 and then BTS. BTS is the most popular music act in Korean history, then IU then Exo then Bigbang

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Bigbang did far better even after burning sun scandal, there is no match

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but the later had a bigger cultural impact in terms of attachment to their image and branding.

No not at all

This is kind of an interesting comparison, both were the iconic top groups, each with their own legendary achievements

As for popularity, it all depends on what you define as 'popularity', and then you have the separation between popularity in SK, and internationally.

Both groups have their own core strengths where they excelled in. But SNSD seems to have the edge: SNSD were both more popular in South Korea with a higher, longer popularity peak. And SNSD were more popular cq had stronger global recognition internationally.

... would have been even more interesting if EXO were included in this comparison with SNSD and Big Bang, rankings in some metrics would have shaken up including EXO too. Maybe for a future thread, Yama-Chan

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This is kind of an interesting comparison, both were the iconic top groups, each with their own legendary achievements

As for popularity, it all depends on what you define as 'popularity', and then you have the separation between popularity in SK, and internationally.

Both groups have their own core strengths where they excelled in. But SNSD seems to have the edge: SNSD were both more popular in South Korea with a higher, longer popularity peak. And SNSD were more popular cq had stronger global recognition internationally.

... would have been even more interesting if EXO were included in this comparison with SNSD and Big Bang, rankings in some metrics would have shaken up including EXO too. Maybe for a future thread, Yama-Chan

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Where SNSD had more longevity than BB in SK? This is not true and you can clearly see their releases from 2015~2022 to know which group were far ahead of the other. That's longevity.

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Where SNSD had more longevity than BB in SK? This is not true and you can clearly see their releases from 2015~2022 to know which group were far ahead of the other. That's longevity.

Don't loose your time with SM stans. they are compulsive liars who live in a parallel reality we need to stop giving them attention

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Don't loose your time with SM stans. they are compulsive liars who live in a parallel reality we need to stop giving them attention

I'm in shock with how some sones are really trying to paint SNSD as the biggest group in Korea ever since the other thread like... Calm down, they were amazing, but BB longevity is something that can't be compared when every BB era was hit after hit in SK and Asia... 2015 alone proved how they are the top 2nd gen group and 2022 was a joke to others when they had the most successful bg song of that year without promoting.

Anyways...

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I'm in shock with how some sones are really trying to paint SNSD as the biggest group in Korea ever since the other thread like...

it's the great specialty of kpop fans to disguise reality and invent myths about their favs.

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Don't loose your time with SM stans. they are compulsive liars who live in a parallel reality we need to stop giving them attention

Unless you're trying to make a bad joke, will you please stop with trying to make insulting, degrading comments like that? It's offensive and if you weren't joking, then you clearly intended it as an insult.

Everyone who has more than 2 working braincells and actually using them and not being intellectually lazy knows that being a fan of 1 group - or even 2 groups - of a company, doesn't make you a company stan of that company.

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Where SNSD had more longevity than BB in SK? This is not true and you can clearly see their releases from 2015~2022 to know which group were far ahead of the other. That's longevity.

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I'm in shock with how some sones are really trying to paint SNSD as the biggest group in Korea ever since the other thread like... Calm down, they were amazing, but BB longevity is something that can't be compared when every BB era was hit after hit in SK and Asia... 2015 alone proved how they are the top 2nd gen group and 2022 was a joke to others when they had the most successful bg song of that year without promoting.

Anyways...

What I meant was that SNSD' peak of popularity, where they topped their popularity in SK, was higher and longer than BigBang's in SK, using Gallup as main criterium for popularity.

To elaborate: in the years 2009, 2010 and 2011 (3 years straight), SNSD were the #1 most popular artists in SK with popularity scores of 29.8, 31.5 and 26.1%.

The only year that BigBang topped the Gallup rank as #1 most popular artists was in 2015 with a popularity score of 15.5%, only 1 year.

... hopefully this explains what I meant with longevity, even if you disagree with the use of Gallup as a means of looking at popularity.

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it's the great specialty of kpop fans to disguise reality and invent myths about their favs.

No, it's simply using facts, instead of baselessly insulting other posters because they post things you dislike.

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I didn't include Exo because they're third generation, and I personally don't feel they peaked as high as either of these groups, though that is just my opinion.

Big Bang and SNSD kind of transcended K-Pop in ways others did not up until BTS rose.

Whether EXO were 3rd gen or 2nd gen is another discussion - after all, girl groups before 2014 are still regarded 2nd gen yet EXO from 2012 is 3rd gen...
But EXO had their own peak and metrics where they surpassed SNSD and Big Bang, so that would've made it an interesting comparison in its own way :)

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What I meant was that SNSD' peak of popularity, where they topped their popularity in SK, was higher and longer than BigBang's in SK, using Gallup as main criterium for popularity.

To elaborate: in the years 2009, 2010 and 2011 (3 years straight), SNSD were the #1 most popular artists in SK with popularity scores of 29.8, 31.5 and 26.1%.

The only year that BigBang topped the Gallup rank as #1 most popular artists was in 2015 with a popularity score of 15.5%, only 1 year.

And you'll ignore BB and SNSD digital performance through all these years just to rely on Gallup? BB having +60k concert in Seoul? BB longevity peak were higher bc they topped the charts from 2008~2022 in the years they released. That's longevity.

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No, it's simply using facts, instead of baselessly insulting other posters because they post things you dislike.

fact with numbers:

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Bigbang did far better even after burning sun scandal, there is no match

bullshit based on a distorted perception of reality:

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This is kind of an interesting comparison, both were the iconic top groups, each with their own legendary achievements

As for popularity, it all depends on what you define as 'popularity', and then you have the separation between popularity in SK, and internationally.

Both groups have their own core strengths where they excelled in. But SNSD seems to have the edge: SNSD were both more popular in South Korea with a higher, longer popularity peak. And SNSD were more popular cq had stronger global recognition internationally.

... would have been even more interesting if EXO were included in this comparison with SNSD and Big Bang, rankings in some metrics would have shaken up including EXO too. Maybe for a future thread, Yama-Chan

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And you'll ignore BB and SNSD digital performance through all these years just to rely on Gallup? BB having +60k concert in Seoul? BB longevity peak were higher bc they topped the charts from 2008~2022 in the years they released. That's longevity.

The thread title question was: who was more popular at their peak, not during their whole career.

It all depends on what you consider the main metric for popularity.

There's charting, there's Gallup, there's number and quality of CF's, etc.

If you see Gallup as the best measure for popularity in SK, then SNSD are the clear winner, with higher popularity scores and ranking.

If you see k-chart digitals as the best measure for popularity in SK, then Big Bang are the clear winner, with better digitals.

I see Gallup as the best measure for SK popularity, so that's why SNSD. But if you don't believe in Gallup and/or want to use digitals as main measure for SK popularity, then BB is the better one.

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The thread title question was: who was more popular at their peak, not during their whole career.

It all depends on what you consider the main metric for popularity.

There's charting, there's Gallup, there's number and quality of CF's, etc.

If you see Gallup as the best measure for popularity in SK, then SNSD are the clear winner, with higher popularity scores and ranking.

If you see k-chart digitals as the best measure for popularity in SK, then Big Bang are the clear winner, with better digitals.

I see Gallup as the best measure for SK popularity, so that's why SNSD. But if you don't believe in Gallup and/or want to use digitals as main measure for SK popularity, then BB is the better one.

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I use everything tbh, and BB peak wasn't just in their early years, 2015 was also their peak that's why I keep inserting it. In late 2010~ they were touring for millions of fans and with great digitals and presence in kpop so it's also their peak.

I will use Gallup as the basis, Bigbang have figured in the top 10, 9 times from 2007 to 2017, but have never topped the survey.

SNSD had a 10 year run on the top 10, from 2007 to 2016, topping it 3 times.

So by that metric, SNSD were more popular and steadily popular at their peak than Bigbang.

But if you consider non-peak, then Bigbang has a longer popularity.

Another factor is no GG has matched SNSD in that popularity among S Koreans, whereas BTS has assertively succeeded Bigbang.

Other toppers,

IU - 12 times in top #10, 2 times at #1

Jang Yoon Jung, the Trot Queen- 17 times in top #10, never left, but never topped.

LYW is the phenomenon, topping Above 40s - 4 times, but also in the top 10 of under 40s always.

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fact with numbers:

bullshit based on a distorted perception of reality:

Incorrect. Bullshit is believing that Gallup is useless and that charting digitals = popularity in SK as if that's a 100% in-sync correlation.

But hey, you don't see me immediately go for the lazy ass, easy solution by calling others delulu stans just because they hold other criteria in higher regards than the ones I do.

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Bullshit is believing that Gallup is useless and that charting digitals = popularity in SK as if that's a 100% in-sync correlation.

What i send you is 'ULs' that's mean UNIQUE LISTENERS that's litteraly mean in 2022 for their last comeback of both group

SNSD got 200 000 korean playing their song day one, against 900 000 for bigbang despite burning sun scandal some years ago.

It's almost 5x times more, they even did better than IU. You have to face reality.

SNSD is an iconic and an HUGE and popular group in Korea, there is no debate about it.

But BIGBANG, BTS & IU is another league in Korea.

And as one of the creative directors at SM (the company of SNSD) said himself “BIGBANG were the first of their kind in Korea”

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What i send you is 'ULs' that's mean UNIQUE LISTENERS that's litteraly mean in 2022 for their last comeback of both group

SNSD got 200 000 korean playing their song day one, against 900 000 for bigbang despite burning sun scandal some years ago.

It's almost 5x times more, they even did better than IU. You have to face reality.

SNSD is an iconic and an HUGE and popular group in Korea, there is no debate about it.

But BIGBANG, BTS & IU is another league in Korea.

And as one of the creative directors at SM (the company of SNSD) said himself “BIGBANG were the first of their kind in Korea”

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The question was about popularity at both groups' peak, not longevity (although when it comes to longevity, SNSD ranked in Gallup in 2022 with their comeback yet Big Bang didn't)

Ok. You showed yours, I showed you mine.

I believe that Gallup is the best criterium when it comes to measuring popularity in SK, you believe it's K-chart stats.

We both agree that SNSD and Bigbang are iconic, epic top groups.

We won't have ANY agreement on who was the more popular group at their peak, since we value different criteria as best measure for popularity in SK, I Gallup and you k-charts.

And that's alright.

We can disagree on main points and still have a valid discussion - and hopefully also see the other's viewpoint.

No need to start insulting other disagreeing parties, just because they have differing viewpoints and value other criteria more. So, let's not in future times.

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I will use Gallup as the basis, Bigbang have figured in the top 10, 9 times from 2007 to 2017, but have never topped the survey.

SNSD had a 10 year run on the top 10, from 2007 to 2016, topping it 3 times.

So by that metric, SNSD were more popular and steadily popular at their peak than Bigbang.

But if you consider non-peak, then Bigbang has a longer popularity.

Another factor is no GG has matched SNSD in that popularity among S Koreans, whereas BTS has assertively succeeded Bigbang.

Other toppers,

IU - 12 times in top #10, 2 times at #1

Jang Yoon Jung, the Trot Queen- 17 times in top #10, never left, but never topped.

LYW is the phenomenon, topping Above 40s - 4 times, but also in the top 10 of under 40s always.

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Actually, Bigband did top the Gallup popularity survey if I read it correctly, in 2015 with a popularity score of 15.5%

However, SNSD topped the Gallup popularity survey 3 years straight, from 2009 to 2011, and also with higher popularity scores for all those years.

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The question was about popularity at both groups' peak

I think you didn't understand where I was going with this. I will clarify to make it clearer and then you are free to agree or not, but at least there will be no more misunderstandings.

Both are huge & popular groups in korea and have strong legacy, everyone is agreed on this.

These two groups made a comeback after many years in 2022. And one attracted a lot more attention and even did better than IU despite the huge scandal that hit him.

If despite this gigantic scandal, bigbang manages to bring together 4 times more people on the first day than snsd and more than IU. The burning sun scandal seriously damaged the image of bigbang and yet they still managed to stay on top when they come back... I think that that speaks for itself about the reality of the past...

As I said, SNSD is not a small group, even today they are still huge icons in kpop in general. But people have to understand BIGBANG is just an anomaly in all areas, no one is supposed to survive after such a scandal, it just shows the popularity and power of the image they had in the past which was even bigger.

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No not at all

I don't care enough about both to type more than 3 lines