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yes JYP has impressively kept their profit margins consistent. I am indeed curious where are of HYBE's money went.

HYBE America.

They are losing a lot of money.

Twice and Stray Kids and even Itzy touring is why JYP is doing well. I'm not sure if Stray Kids renewed or has renewed. Also Twice's contract I assume ill end in 2 years. Itzy's touring numbers are increasing, but they are still far from Twice and Stray Kids level.

Hybe debuted 2 new groups, and maybe had some other once off expenses.

Hybe invested in a lot of things to diversify themselves from Bts and Kpop, but they didn't really know how to manage their business right. Out of their 18 subsidiaries, 11 were in loss last year, they're actually barely surviving, despite projecting this 'huge company' image.

Seeing this, the bubble probably burst within Hybe itself when Bts fans didn't care anymore about kpop, as the group itself is older and so are most of their fans. The members will also venture into more individual activities, like other seniors in kpop. And Hybe didn't have as many company stans from other fandoms except for Armys now. Most of other groups fans are more individualistic, and Hybe making these groups compete with each other didn't help to create that family bonding in the future. So, they will be one day that their new groups will stop doing well from the get go especially when they keep debuting the new one every years.

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K-netizens are surprised by the first quarter business results of 4 big agencies

First quarter business results of 4 big agencies

Revenue

HYBE 360.9 billion won

SM 220 billion won

JYP 136.5 billion won

YG 87.3 billion won

Operating profit

HYBE 14.4 billion won

SM 15.5 billion won

JYP 33.6 billion won

YG -7 billion won

Net profit

HYBE 2.9 billion won

SM 12.4 billion won

JYP 31.4 billion won

YG 400 million won

1. HYBE is so weird

2. How does JYP make so much profit?

3. Operating profit is negative, so how can net profit be positive? Where can they get support?

4. What’s wrong with YG? Is it because they also debuted their rookies?

5. I’m surprised every time I see JYP’s operating profit

6. HYBE is worse than I thought. What’s up?

7. JYP ranks 3rd in revenue but ranks 1st in profit

8. Who should be investigated for embezzlement and breach of trust?

9. Well, YG has nothing to make money on right now

10. Why is HYBE’s net profit so low? How many singers do they have?

11. I wonder where the money leaked from HYBE. I think we need to investigate HYBE

12. Where did HYBE throw all the money?

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Hybe is not retraining money means that either artist are getting paid well and spending a lot in promotions of their artists such U.S. festivals and collabs...etc

Hype promotions are the best for a reason.

They also own parts of SM so I wonder if that is included in Hybe earnings.

Fuck JYPE. the fact JYPE have such a high net profit means they are not spending money in promoting their artists well and the artists are not earning the money they deserve. I know ITZY doesn't even get ads or U.S. promotions anymore.

JYPE is seriously the worst. Forcing their artist to tour and exhaust them and taking in all the money from their artists touring and other revenues.

SM is doing well overall but they are spending is a little high. The ratio is the best in my opinion.

hybe pays most of its capital for viral marketing and Payola

hybe bought a lot of companies and is hiding this with total sales

the other big 3 cant compete on because they cant give up profits. but hybe however give up profits and invest in their own performance

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Hybe is not retraining money means that either artist are getting paid well and spending a lot in promotions of their artists such U.S. festivals and collabs...etc

Hype promotions are the best for a reason.

They also own parts of SM so I wonder if that is included in Hybe earnings.

Fuck JYPE. the fact JYPE have such a high net profit means they are not spending money in promoting their artists well and the artists are not earning the money they deserve. I know ITZY doesn't even get ads or U.S. promotions anymore.

JYPE is seriously the worst. Forcing their artist to tour and exhaust them and taking in all the money from their artists touring and other revenues.

SM is doing well overall but they are spending is a little high. The ratio is the best in my opinion.

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How does JYP make so much profit? Some say it's because they don't put money into their artists , some say it's because they lack side business etc which don't end up in loss and they don't lose money?

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How does JYP male so much profit? Some say it's because they don't put money into their artists , some say it's because they lack side business etc which don't end up in loss and they don't lose money?

JYPE isn't paying their artists and staff the money deserve and lack of promotions for certain groups. JYPE was always known to be a cheap company. They always try to cut corners left and right when it comes to promoting their artist especially ITZY, Twice...etc

JYPE only has the music business is not a reason why they have such a high net profit. They just don't like to spend money.

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JYPE isn't paying their artists and staff the money deserve and lack of promotions for certain groups. JYPE was always known to be a cheap company. They always try to cut corners left and right when it comes to promoting their artist especially ITZY, Twice...etc

JYPE only has the music business is not a reason why they have such a high net profit. They just don't like to spend money.

According to this, JYPE pay their employees well. They just really SUCK at promoting.

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How does JYP make so much profit? Some say it's because they don't put money into their artists , some say it's because they lack side business etc which don't end up in loss and they don't lose money?

This is JYPE, they literally dont any anything outside of idol groups sucking up money. They use the cash they make to invest instead, like trainee's, business stuff, expansion, etc

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According to this, JYPE pay their employees well. They just really SUCK at promoting.

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It doesn't say JYPE pay their artists and staff well. It just says they got an increase.

The question is increase of what amount. If you get paid 400 USD a month but get an increase of 30%. That seems good. However, some companies might be already paying their employees 1200 USD a month.

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It doesn't say JYPE pay their artists and staff well. It just says they got an increase.

The question is increase of what amount. If you get paid 400 USD a month but get an increase of 30%. That seems good. However, some companies might be already paying their employees 1200 USD a month.

The same tweet states JYP and HYBE employees are the "envy of the industry"

Also, a quote from the linked article from that tweet:

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Last year, the average salary per YG Entertainment employee was 58 million won, the lowest among the so-called four entertainment companies. The average salary per person at Hive in 2023 is 100 million won, JYP 93 million won, and SM Entertainment 69.42 million won.

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yes JYP has impressively kept their profit margins consistent. I am indeed curious where are of HYBE's money went.

Illit, newjeans and seventeen payola isn't cheap, they are bleeding the company dry

easy: hybe spends all his money in 'viral marketing' or the so called hybe 'payola' or in more clear wording SAJAEGI

now you can understand how most of their groups do so well on melon and spotify (bang groups more specifially or any project he has a clear hand on).

It was not just hybe's music thriving out of nowhere miraculously, ahem, it was deep pockets .

and of course, God knows only what other shady stuff they do with all that money (bts, 17, njs more specifically). maybe throwing buckets to dan world or smth .

Hybe is a disaster, a sinking ship. Both NJ and BTS better leave that sh*thole . ASAP.

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Illit, newjeans and seventeen payola isn't cheap, they are bleeding the company dry

Lol bang didn’t put any 'payola' into njs . He doesn’t even let them promote properly .

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Lol bang didn’t put any 'payola' into njs . He doesn’t even let them promote properly .

They debuted as nugus and instantly got #1, BP's brand deals, Spotify Playlists etc. You're delusional if you think that happened "organic"

As a shareholder, JYP is a great buy.

As an artist, JYP sucks you dry then throws you away.

So JYP are big cheapskates? that was not at all seen in the quality of the MVs, promotions and all the crappy content they give us

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They debuted as nugus and instantly got #1, BP's brand deals, Spotify Playlists etc. You're delusional if you think that happened "organic"

That's Ador marketing and promo and MHJs work, reputation and connections. Hybe did nothing for NJ. If they could get those deals or playlisting they would have either given them to ssera or illit. LOL.

(They only invested in Ador because they didn't want to lose MHJ for her to become a direct rival outside of hybe.)

On the other hand I agree that Attention got 'viral marketing' promo or payola (from ador) but for various reasons sadly. One of them being that Ador couldn’t even properly promote NJ during the pre debut stage and because their were totally unknown because of that. But everything since then has been as 'organic' as it could get in this industry.

For example when Attention blew up, the whole ep blew up and all 3 title tracks where in the top 10. While for Illit for example, when Magnetic 'blew up', for weeks and weeks the other tracks on the album were in the top 200/400. And Illit were mass promoted before but specially during debut using NJs copycate controversies as bad buzz. So they got mass exposure.

That's where you can see who was genuinly viral and who was the product 90% of payola and mass promotion. It's pretty clear actually.

Then Hybe boy went mega viral on it's own and the following songs were also huge as a response. By 2023 (ditto/omg) hybe actually became hostile towards NJ and put JK directly against them during Get up. What payola??

Also getting playlisting deals is a promotional tactic. Again Ador invested in it. And not anybody would be accepted in this playlists even for money. You need to produce quality. Im pretty sure even Hybe with their connections paid big big bucks to put Illit in TTH, probably far more than Ador and yet still ended on the bottom of the playlist.

But truth to be told, Illits TTH playlisting or whatsoever is less concering that the way Magnetic is behaving on Spotify.

Jumping hundread places in a fiew hours as totall nugus globally and no fandom and with a 95% korean song is unheard of. It actually makes no sense.

Also seing members like RM debuting in the top 30 globale spotify while V with better streams barely making an apparence on the top 50 and while he was doing that Jimin randomly jumped out of nowhere above him is just so telling.

Bang actually has been confirmed of commiting sajaegi with bts and now again seeing how so many of his acts behave so suspiciousoy on spotify and melon you can clearly see that it goes far beyong just playlisting or rookie promotional tactics.

MHJ on the other hand was the concept director of most of the 2/3rd gen viral hits and national songs from Sorry Sorry to Gee to Growl to Pink Tape to Red Flavor and now to Hype boy which she produced. All organic success.

Now how can you compare these two ??

Cube had more profit then Hybe last quarter.

Interesting.

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Also seing members like RM debuting in the top 30 globale spotify while V with better streams barely making an apparence on the top 50 and while he was doing that Jimin randomly jumped out of nowhere above him is just so telling.

V debuted in top 10 in global Spotify chart so what do you even mean barely making an appearance in top 50. You are not even an army to talk about BTS and you don't even know what you're saying. Jimin has the one of the biggest solo fan base. The maknae line has always been. His fans are dedicated to streaming and voting.

Each new jeans member received 3.8 million dollars last year

Is there any YG/JYP/SM rookie idol making receiving that amount of money?

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V debuted in top 10 in global Spotify chart so what do you even mean barely making an appearance in top 50. You are not even an army to talk about BTS and you don't even know what you're saying. Jimin has the one of the biggest solo fan base. The maknae line has always been. His fans are dedicated to streaming and voting.

Ok my bad but still. V had even better numbers than Illit but illit is stuck in the top 10/20 for weeks now like that song got frozen or smth. Even most major hits on that chart move alot in the ranking. And yes Like crazy is behaving very suspiciously too sorry.

I personally think V's success and numbers are the most organic amonsgt all these Hybe/Bang songs/groups except maybe JG to some extent.

I actually even suspect V to be the most organic famous BTS member. JK numbers are just very inflated by mass promo mass playlisting mass payola etc...

Yet look how a successful hybe singer with actually good/decent music such as V is moving on the charts without hybe payola. Like look. That's the real complete organic numbers right here.

It's so obvious.

Also V is not only not getting any payola/autoplay etc, but he aint getting any promo at all. Which is pretty sad to see.

That's Bang/Hybe for you.

i hope SM stays stable at number 2 if they can't get to number one

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Each new jeans member received 3.8 million dollars last year

Is there any YG/JYP/SM rookie idol making receiving that amount of money?

https://www.allkpop.com/articl…ettlement-money-last-year

I don't think this is related to the topic. No company ever publicizes how much they pay their rookies. So no one really knows if this number is accurate or just another media play. But since they have contracts and it's already stated the cut that the idols will get from their activities, if it's true, then it's safe to say that Nj really make that much to get that much as a rookie group. Hybe will not just generously pay them millions of dollars if they didn't make much money. So, this number shouldn't bring Hybe's revenue or profits down. In reality, the company is just invested in too many things and it doesn't really look good for them.

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Each new jeans member received 3.8 million dollars last year

Is there any YG/JYP/SM rookie idol making receiving that amount of money?

https://www.allkpop.com/articl…ettlement-money-last-year

Because NJ are marketable, they're the blue-chip for a reason, most of that money comes from brand deals. Even HYBE couldn't bribe big brands for LSRFM after the Garam situation

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That's Ador marketing and promo and MHJs work, reputation and connections. Hybe did nothing for NJ. If they could get those deals or playlisting they would have either given them to ssera or illit. LOL.

(They only invested in Ador because they didn't want to lose MHJ for her to become a direct rival outside of hybe.)

On the other hand I agree that Attention got 'viral marketing' promo or payola (from ador) but for various reasons sadly. One of them being that Ador couldn’t even properly promote NJ during the pre debut stage and because their were totally unknown because of that. But everything since then has been as 'organic' as it could get in this industry.

For example when Attention blew up, the whole ep blew up and all 3 title tracks where in the top 10. While for Illit for example, when Magnetic 'blew up', for weeks and weeks the other tracks on the album were in the top 200/400. And Illit were mass promoted before but specially during debut using NJs copycate controversies as bad buzz. So they got mass exposure.

That's where you can see who was genuinly viral and who was the product 90% of payola and mass promotion. It's pretty clear actually.

Then Hybe boy went mega viral on it's own and the following songs were also huge as a response. By 2023 (ditto/omg) hybe actually became hostile towards NJ and put JK directly against them during Get up. What payola??

Also getting playlisting deals is a promotional tactic. Again Ador invested in it. And not anybody would be accepted in this playlists even for money. You need to produce quality. Im pretty sure even Hybe with their connections paid big big bucks to put Illit in TTH, probably far more than Ador and yet still ended on the bottom of the playlist.

But truth to be told, Illits TTH playlisting or whatsoever is less concering that the way Magnetic is behaving on Spotify.

Jumping hundread places in a fiew hours as totall nugus globally and no fandom and with a 95% korean song is unheard of. It actually makes no sense.

Also seing members like RM debuting in the top 30 globale spotify while V with better streams barely making an apparence on the top 50 and while he was doing that Jimin randomly jumped out of nowhere above him is just so telling.

Bang actually has been confirmed of commiting sajaegi with bts and now again seeing how so many of his acts behave so suspiciousoy on spotify and melon you can clearly see that it goes far beyong just playlisting or rookie promotional tactics.

MHJ on the other hand was the concept director of most of the 2/3rd gen viral hits and national songs from Sorry Sorry to Gee to Growl to Pink Tape to Red Flavor and now to Hype boy which she produced. All organic success.

Now how can you compare these two ??

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STFU on BTS, talking any s--- non stop. You do not even understand what you are rambling yourself 99% of the times.

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Ok my bad but still. V had even better numbers than Illit but illit is stuck in the top 10/20 for weeks now like that song got frozen or smth. Even most major hits on that chart move alot in the ranking. And yes Like crazy is behaving very suspiciously too sorry.

I personally think V's success and numbers are the most organic amonsgt all these Hybe/Bang songs/groups except maybe JG to some extent.

I actually even suspect V to be the most organic famous BTS member. JK numbers are just very inflated by mass promo mass playlisting mass payola etc...

Yet look how a successful hybe singer such as V is moving on the charts without hybe payola. Like look. That's the real complete organic numbers right here.

It's so obvious.

Also V is not only not getting any payola/autoplay etc, but he aint getting any promo at all. Which is pretty sad to see.

That's Bang/Hybe for you.

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Yes we know you hate Jungkook cause you think he has Bang involved and you love Tae cause he had MHJ involved.

Newjeans stans literally having their group debut off money made by BTS and getting every single resource like playlisting even better than JK's should STFU please....it is embarrassing how you even have the audacity when Seven by Jungkook was literally in 20s on TTH while SuperShy with a tenth of its streams was in top 10...what Newjeans has is sheer payola from debut and only clown MHJ stans would believe otherwise. Jungkook is literally the most popular Kpop idol for years now, so do not even tell me NJNS playlisting was more well deserved that too when he remained below Newjeans for weeks on TTH while topping Global spotify for weeks with 9-10mn streams. BTS members solos were not even getting TTH while debuting with massive streams while Newjeans got it from the get go with lesser streams. Just because Bang did not show overt support for your faves does not mean MHJ did not use all that BTS money to push those girls on playlists.

Shameless tokkis like you shitting on BTS when having their faves born with a silver spoon gifted to them by BTS' blood and sweat is the most repulsive thing I have seen in Kpop and which is why I know karma is coming soon.

Anyway, useless arguing with newbie freak MHj obsessed trolls like yourself, you will not even be around on this forum in a year or even lesser. While trust me on this most Armys will still be here awaiting BTS' return which is guaranteed and certain unlike some other uncertain things...lol

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Yes we know you hate Jungkook cause you think he has Bang involved and you love Tae cause you think he had MHJ involved.

Newjeans stans literally having their group debut off money made by BTS and getting every single resource like playlisting even better than JK's should STFU please....it is embarrassing how you even have the audacity when Seven by Jungkook was literally in 20s on TTH while SuperShy with a tenth of its streams was in top 10...what Newjeans has is sheer payola from debut and only clown MHJ stans would believe otherwise. Jungkook is literally the most popular Kpop idol for years now, so do not even tell me NJNS playlisting was more well deserved that too when he remained below Newjeans for weeks on TTH while topping Global spotify for weeks with 9-10mn streams. BTS members solos were not even getting TTH while debuting with massive streams while Newjeans got it from the get go with lesser streams. Just because Bang did not show overt support for your faves does not mean MHJ did not use all that BTS money to push those girls on playlists.

Shameless tokkis like you shitting on BTS when having their faves born with a silver spoon gifted to them by BTS' blood and sweat is the most repulsive thing I see in Kpop and which is why I know karma is coming soon.

Anyway, useless arguing with newbie freak MHj obsessed trolls like yourself, you will not even be around on this forum in a year or even lesser. While trust me on this most Armys will still be here awaiting BTS' return which is guaranteed and certain unlike some other uncertain things...lol

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Amen!!

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That's Ador marketing and promo and MHJs work, reputation and connections. Hybe did nothing for NJ. If they could get those deals or playlisting they would have either given them to ssera or illit. LOL.

(They only invested in Ador because they didn't want to lose MHJ for her to become a direct rival outside of hybe.)

On the other hand I agree that Attention got 'viral marketing' promo or payola (from ador) but for various reasons sadly. One of them being that Ador couldn’t even properly promote NJ during the pre debut stage and because their were totally unknown because of that. But everything since then has been as 'organic' as it could get in this industry.

For example when Attention blew up, the whole ep blew up and all 3 title tracks where in the top 10. While for Illit for example, when Magnetic 'blew up', for weeks and weeks the other tracks on the album were in the top 200/400. And Illit were mass promoted before but specially during debut using NJs copycate controversies as bad buzz. So they got mass exposure.

That's where you can see who was genuinly viral and who was the product 90% of payola and mass promotion. It's pretty clear actually.

Then Hybe boy went mega viral on it's own and the following songs were also huge as a response. By 2023 (ditto/omg) hybe actually became hostile towards NJ and put JK directly against them during Get up. What payola??

Also getting playlisting deals is a promotional tactic. Again Ador invested in it. And not anybody would be accepted in this playlists even for money. You need to produce quality. Im pretty sure even Hybe with their connections paid big big bucks to put Illit in TTH, probably far more than Ador and yet still ended on the bottom of the playlist.

But truth to be told, Illits TTH playlisting or whatsoever is less concering that the way Magnetic is behaving on Spotify.

Jumping hundread places in a fiew hours as totall nugus globally and no fandom and with a 95% korean song is unheard of. It actually makes no sense.

Also seing members like RM debuting in the top 30 globale spotify while V with better streams barely making an apparence on the top 50 and while he was doing that Jimin randomly jumped out of nowhere above him is just so telling.

Bang actually has been confirmed of commiting sajaegi with bts and now again seeing how so many of his acts behave so suspiciousoy on spotify and melon you can clearly see that it goes far beyong just playlisting or rookie promotional tactics.

MHJ on the other hand was the concept director of most of the 2/3rd gen viral hits and national songs from Sorry Sorry to Gee to Growl to Pink Tape to Red Flavor and now to Hype boy which she produced. All organic success.

Now how can you compare these two ??

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And where does Ador get the money for that? NJ girlies debuted without big teasers or anything and suddenly they got #1 everywhere, getting brand huge brand deals without even being known yet. Ador didn't have the power to do that. Hybe did.

After May 31st, some people are going to have to get another job.

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After May 31st, some people are going to have to get another job.

The injunction verdict will decide everything and that hearing begins on 17th May...so do not even have to wait for 31st May to know what is going to happen. Even if MHJ somehow manages to have the verdict in her favour, which seems unlikely unless South Korean courts want to topple basic governing principles of a corporation, she will still only remain as a CEO temporarily. Since things are so bad now between Hybe and Ador she will inevitably be removed. She does not own Ador and nothing will ever change that.

Her stans can throw any number of fits on the internet and Knetz can cry rivers in her support, she is not going to remain in Hybe/Ador for long, now or in a few months, she will be set aside.

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V debuted in top 10 in global Spotify chart so what do you even mean barely making an appearance in top 50. You are not even an army to talk about BTS and you don't even know what you're saying. Jimin has the one of the biggest solo fan base. The maknae line has always been. His fans are dedicated to streaming and voting.

Lol you are answering that idiot. There are certain people that lack critical thinking skills that you give up having a convo with them. It’s not worth it