This babymonster talk is proof yall value korean popularity over international popularity

It has always been like this

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Yet tons of fans were offended by the truth, some who are acting hypocritical towards babymonster now

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Truth is kpop stans dont care about international popularity if the group isnt doing well in SK

Skz,Txt and a bunch more of othee bgs do really well internationally and no one cares. Fifty Fifty had a Barbie song and the biggest international hit and no one cared or considered them big players (the members themselves sabotaged the group later so its understandable why no one takes them seriously now). Everglow was massive at debut but the less they charted in SK the less kpop fans were invested on them. And what to say about Twice, that started being looked down by kpop fans as soon as…

catzi

Nov 8th 2023

I say lets cancel them

Where are the tons of threads calling them flops? Can you link me?

Do you also have anything to show their Spotify numbers are competitive with the groups they were already being compared to pre-debut?

I'm pretty sure everyone knew, said and expected them to do well on YT

Yall better apologize to catzi

if baemon starts doing extremely well internationally ( + good physical sales) but continue underperforming on kcharts.

I don't want any 4th gen boy group fandom (or boy group fandoms in general) lol to call them flops while the group they stan aren't that different lol

there shouldn't be double standards

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Yall better apologize to catzi

this lol

Koreab@.s everywhere, nothing new

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Thank you for the numbers. Not as bad as I expected, but not fantastic either.

BlackPink, on debut, secured a Perfect All-Kill and set a then record for fastest music show win ever. Their outcome completely surpassed even their hype.

With Baemon, the exact opposite has happened. Their hype greatly exceeded their outcome so far.

There is still time for them to climb, but there is literally no precedent for a YG girl group getting off to such a slow start on the Korean charts; it's never happened before, so people will talk about it.

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if baemon starts doing extremely well internationally ( + good physical sales) but continue underperforming on kcharts.

I don't want certain 4th gen boy group fandom (or boy group fandoms in general) lol to call them flops while the group they stan aren't that different lol

I know, those Moas are awfull. Shame on them

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I know, those Moas are awfull. Shame on them

starts with S lol

This is how high the bar was set 7 years ago.

Nobody is demanding a PAK from Baemon, but it will absolutely be a disappointment, to say the least, if they don't make any noise on the Korean charts with their debut song.

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starts with S lol

Well, must be in twitter then, because the few stays here are very nice

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Its actually massive. The biggest amount have 730k and thats 24h of tracking. Babymonster already have half of that in less than half a day.

Fair point. We'll see how their Spotify numbers pan out over the next month. There isn't enough data to make any reasonable conclusions yet; not after just one day.

Most of the negativity I've seen regarding Baemon has been exclusively related their sound and concept, not their charting. Even here, there hasn't been a lot of toxicity regarding their charting.

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Well, must be in twitter then, because the few stays here are very nice

it's more like an example of being successful internationally but not that much on Korean charts boy groups in general there is a doble standards for girl groups imo

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aespa, Le Sserafim and Nmixx didn't hit the expectations either and all of them had big shoes to fulfill. Even IVE that did better though no one was expecting couldn't reach #1 at debut either. The only exception was NewJeans who also got their ULs peak at debut

Yeah. None of those groups are YG girl groups. That's the huge difference here.

When all we've seen from BM's predecessors are legendary debuts that still get talked about today, it will stand out when they fall well short of hitting those same peaks. Forget the peaks; they're just not even close at all.

There are great expectations and anticipation for a YG girl group. Just look at the numbers BM pulls on their socials; they already have more YT subscribers than IVE.

It's okay for us to be honest about the fact that a girl group with this much hype from this company (YG) is not expected to underperform on their debut at all.

There is time for the narrative on their charting to change, but the way people feel about their debut probably won't.

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Its actually massive. The biggest amount have 730k and thats 24h of tracking. Babymonster already have half of that in less than half a day.

Quick correction. All those acts released at 6pm Kst if I’m correct. That means they had 14-15 hours not the full 24 hour tracking. so while yes they had more time than baby monster. They didn’t have 24 hours.

I pointed this out in another post.

When KPop first started there were not too much news outside of Korea so there were people who translated the Korean entertainment news and posted them, and since that was the only KPop news available back then, people swallowed them.

Because of such system a duality was established, which is why IU, who is not really relevant outside of Korea, is being held in the same regard with BTS and slightly above BlackPink.

Baemon is now showing a new paradigm but it will take time to stick. It is like birth of a new movement, which won't be pretty and will involve lots of pain.

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I never expected Babymonster to do that well because I never seen a kpop company strike gold twice in a row. The following groups may be successful but not top #1.

Yet, there was a lot of hype towards big4 ggs.

Le Sserafim for having 2 popular ex izone members and being the first gg from hybe;

aespa who had to be as good as snsd, f(x) and rv, all popular and hyped ggs that came before them;

Nmixx that had dozens of predebut threads made about them everyday and had people buying their albuns before even knowing about their song or concept.

The only thing that they differ from Babymonster is that Babymonster had the unrealistic expectation to be as great as the top#1 gg. Of course that wouldn't happen. Especially considering how times changed and no 4th gen girl group managed to achieve that #1 on charts besides Itzy and Njs. IVE was the only one who got close and still took days to peak at #3

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There's having hype and then there's having YG Girl Group hype. There are levels to this.

I was around for the multi-year ramp up to BlackPink finally getting announced and their debut. The hype machine was operating at maximum output right up to the moment Whistle dropped.

BlackPink had to deal with the expectations (and disdain if we're being honest) of being the next group up after 2NE1, and now Baemon has to deal with the same.

I think you should pause for a moment to look at the critiques. Most of them are being pointed directly at YG, not necessarily Baemon.

You're right. Times have changed, and it feels like YG still thinks it's 2016.

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I didn't see any mention of it so idk

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No kpop song has 24 hours. Spotify tracking starts and ends at midnight UK time (ie GMT) which is about 9am Korea time hence why baby monster had 9 hours tracking.

now if you do the math of 6pm Kst to 9am Kst the next day that’s 15 hours tracking. Aespa as a Nov debut definitely had 15 hours of tracking.

(And during summer time when UK clocks are an hour ahead, it means there is one less hour of tracking so for example: newjeans debut would fall in that time frame and would have 14 hours tracking instead of 15)

Amazing Spotify debut for only 9 hours of tracking. That’s 1m+ for 24 hrs!!

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I know, those Moas are awfull. Shame on them

Pfft now I'm disappointed, it starts with an s. And i just came here to call txt flops

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This is how high the bar was set 7 years ago.

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Nobody is demanding a PAK from Baemon, but it will absolutely be a disappointment, to say the least, if they don't make any noise on the Korean charts with their debut song.

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NewJeans did not PAK?

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if baemon starts doing extremely well internationally ( + good physical sales) but continue underperforming on kcharts.

I don't want any 4th gen boy group fandom (or boy group fandoms in general) lol to call them flops while the group they stan aren't that different lol

there shouldn't be double standards

this lol

BabyMoster the new 5th generation boy group (statistically)

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NewJeans did not PAK?

RAK

I don't remember what blocked the PAK.

But then Ditto happened.

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RAK

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I don't remember what blocked the PAK.

But then Ditto happened.

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Looks like they debuted with the wrong song (for purposes of this record)

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Looks like they debuted with the wrong song (for purposes of this record)

People say that now, but I was Team Hype Boy from the beginning while everyone else was looking for Attention.

It's ultimately fine. Attention got the short term fame and lived up to its namesake for NJ. Hype Boy is a legacy defining hit. We take those.

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RAK

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I don't remember what blocked the PAK.

But then Ditto happened.

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Attention was sandwiched between BP's Pink Venom and IVE's After Like during its release I think. That's how massive New Jeans's debut was. They went head to head with all these top GGs right at debut and was able to get some #1 even.

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Attention was sandwiched between BP's Pink Venom and IVE's After Like during its release I think. That's how massive New Jeans's debut was. They went head to head with all these top GGs right at debut and was able to get some #1 even.

How did I forget about that? Pulling it off with a surprise debut is so legendary.

I'm not going to compare Baemon to NJ, but with all the hype and resources YG poured into them, I hope they can at least get Melon Daily top 10

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Nope, Pink Venom and After Like were released at the end of august, day 19 and 22 respectively. Attention was released at the start of the month so it wasnt sandwiched by either lmao

My bad maybe it wasn't sandwiched but these releases are close to each other. I still remember people hyping up the August bloodbath. It takes time for a song to get PAKs so it's still true all these big groups releasing so close to Attention blocked its PAKs.