So can we establish that Le Sserafim is the number 2 4th gen GG right now?

  • just from living in SK I hear Queen Card way more and just generally they are more talked about. LSFM's music is probably more popular than aespa to be fair, but Karina and Winter are the most famous non-Ive/NJ idols in 4th gen.

  • I swoon when yamcha mommy brings out the big numbers :lover1::lover1::lover1::lover2:

  • Ive organically isn't even in the picture. They are behind NJ, Aespa, Gidle and LSF.


    Kitsch - Melon Peak #1, 496,449 ULs

    Either Way - Melon Peak #12, ~125,000 ULs

    Both pre-release title tracks released on Monday. Difference = 375,000 ULs


    It is not organically possible to suddenly drop 75% of your ULs or 375,000 ULs, or conversely suddenly go up 375,000 ULs organically. Both Either Way and Off the Record, which are title tracks, have shown that they are not even organically strong enough to top 10 in Melon.

  • ive still has more overall spotify streams

    Decided to have a look into this

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    2023 streams: LSFM has more than IVE

    Overall: IVE has around 30M more. (they are increasing this slightly due to their new releases, whether they keep the gap and manage to stay ahead will depend on how both acts upcoming albums do)


    overall... they're pretty equal on spotify... LSFM seemingly doing slightly better in 2023.

  • It's going to happen sooner or later. The girls are obviously stars.


    They were flying under the radar on a successful tour and even though their music is hard to digest on a public friendly level, it makes so much more sense in concert. They provide their fans an experience. Hybe is doing great with the girls so I don't care what rank they are, as long as HYBE continues to encourage LSF to be great performers.


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