Call me Buzz Aldrin cos I've never been so happy to be number 2.
So can we establish that Le Sserafim is the number 2 4th gen GG right now?
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No! No! No! I was biding my time and waiting to make a messy thread with this exact premise.
Now no matter what it'll look like I'm just stealing sloppy seconds
This is a big opportunity for LSF to shake up the 4th gen girl group standings
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That's a bit of an unfair statement.
Antifragile didn't hit #1 because it was blocked by (G)I-DLE's Nxde, but if you check the charts, it ended up having much better longevity.
Unforgiven actually did hit #1 briefly, before falling just behind aespa, IVE and (G)I-DLE again, with all the groups releasing music in the same general time frame.
That's not "way behind"; it's "just behind".
And if you look at album sales, using Circle, for their most recent comebacks, it's:
LSF: 1,558,821 copies sold
IVE: 1,622,476 copies sold
aespa: 2,139,015 copies sold
Barely behind IVE, and overall, only behind IVE, aespa and NJ.
Also, they actually are backed by Hybe. NewJeans is independently operated by ADOR and Min Heejin--she goes out of her way to make it clear she's responsible for all things related to NewJeans.
LSF was actually the concept and brainchild of Bang Si-Hyuk, so if he were to lend his full support behind a group, it would be LSF.
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NJ
Idle
LSRFM
These are the top 7 for 4th gen GG.
And before all the Tokkis come at me, let me get this out of the way. If Baddie doesnt become a MASSIVE success (it has to become as big or bigger than I AM to make up for the flopping of EW and OTR and have close to 500k UL like SS at its peak), then yes, New Jeans will have taken over as the #1 act in Kpop.
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NJ
Idle
LSRFM
These are the top 7 for 4th gen GG.
And before all the Tokkis come at me, let me get this out of the way. If Baddie doesnt become a MASSIVE success (it has to become as big or bigger than I AM to make up for the flopping of EW and OTR and have close to 500k UL like SS at its peak), then yes, New Jeans will have taken over as the #1 act in Kpop.
Yes but Ive cant even get top 10 without special marketing. 125K ULs is weak as pi*s level. I question their physicals too as ultra dodgy. This basically puts them at Stayc and Itzy level, maybe below, as without special marketing they are B Tier.
For sure Baddie will #1, but then its only because of special marketing. And if it does, how does 375K ULs suddenly materialize out of nowhere organically. C'mon Man.
So you can argue whether or not Aespa is in front of LSF or the opposite, but without special marketing NJ, Aespa and Ive are the current top 3 4th gen ggs.
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That's a bit of an unfair statement.
Antifragile didn't hit #1 because it was blocked by (G)I-DLE's Nxde, but if you check the charts, it ended up having much better longevity.
Unforgiven actually did hit #1 briefly, before falling just behind aespa, IVE and (G)I-DLE again, with all the groups releasing music in the same general time frame.
That's not "way behind"; it's "just behind".
And if you look at album sales, using Circle, for their most recent comebacks, it's:
LSF: 1,558,821 copies sold
IVE: 1,622,476 copies sold
aespa: 2,139,015 copies sold
Barely behind IVE, and overall, only behind IVE, aespa and NJ.
Also, they actually are backed by Hybe. NewJeans is independently operated by ADOR and Min Heejin--she goes out of her way to make it clear she's responsible for all things related to NewJeans.
LSF was actually the concept and brainchild of Bang Si-Hyuk, so if he were to lend his full support behind a group, it would be LSF.
Yeah i think i exaggerated a bit, ive seemed to be so above just a month ago with all the great digital results, sales and potential that i didnt see the full picture.
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last comeback they have 1 #2 (#1 top 100, 450k uls) and 1 #3 (bside, 330k uls) song (if they comeback at any other time they could easily get pak, look at the chart right now 300k~ still manage to get pak) and their spotify number is only behind njs (Antifragile have more stream than any aespa and Ive song on spotify) so where is the WAY BEHIND?
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And how many releases does Le Sserafim have? 3 only and it's always up trend not up and down trend like other
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last comeback they have 1 #2 (#1 hot 100, 450k uls) and 1 #3 (bside, 330k uls) song (if they comeback at any other time they could easily get pak, look at the chart right now 300k~ still manage to get pak) and their spotify number is only behind njs (Antifragile have more stream than any aespa and Ive song on spotify) so where is the WAY BEHIND?
this year ive has 1.2B digital points overall and lesserafim has 700M, ive still has more overall spotify streams and physical sales without counting too much their current era, plus wonyoung it girl status is a huge bonus so they are actually considerably above. I was taking into account ive had 4 consecutive #1 with some of the songs with more longevity on kcharts too. But its true the difference right now is not as far as i was thinking.
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Idk why y'all are saying aespa is a top group.
Is it because they sell a lot of albums?
Album sales don't tell you how popular a group actually is.
If they go viral for simple things, if a lot of people know about them, if they have cfs and brand deals and drama appearances and special song releases and people in SK can recognise their faces, THEN they are popular. And ofc, if their songs are played everywhere.
Aespa could've been the No. 2 group if SM managed them better. But they aren't. Just bc they performed at Coachella? Or at Good morning America? All of that is great. But who actually listens to their songs on a daily basis like NewJeans fans do? They aren't trending a lot. NewJeans had a collab with League of Legends. Le Sserafim literally had a collab with Demi Lovato and Rina Sawayama. They made an OST for a Korean animated series, which BTS made one for as well. Eunchae is the Musik Bank MC and is trending everywhere, Chaewon was trending for the dododok mistake. The last time an aespa member went viral was winters fancam at the beginning of 2022.
So yea, the real ranking is like this:
1. NewJeans
2. IVE/Le Sserafim (IVE's comeback will decide if they are above or under Le Sserafim)
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