Should JYPE revamp its method of selecting members/creating girl groups?

I don't think the members are the issue.

NMIXX is great group, they should just hire better producer to make better music

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even if the public won’t care for them it will help in growing their core fandom when they have more members that attract a lot of stans

JYPE has never had any issues attracting stans via the members.

Ryujin, Yeji, Yuna, Haewon, and Sullyoon very easily attracted GP and fan attention. That's never been an issue from what I have seen.

JYPE’s issues is purely their music. In recent times it has mostly sucked, they have no issues building fandoms through variety and visuals. Would get away with it in other eras but not this one where gg’s are constantly delivering whilst JYPE are putting out crap songs

Change the music and they gonna be fine

I think it was BlackpinkHouse who said recently that dance groups are just doomed. As much as i like Ryujin's aesthetic and rapping pre-debut, she's kinda be lackluster as a leader/it girl for the group. I think they focused on dancing and that doesn't pay the bills anymore as a concept. Besides that, its just be average music, which can get them somewhat far, but not where JYP would want.

Being from a top companies guarentees some success if you just release basic/average music and skate by and i think thats what JYP did. NMIXX just messed up because they didn't do the basic/average music part and proceeded to not be able to brand members because everyone focused on their unorthodoxed music.

Whether it be Aespa, NEWJ, or IVE, none of them are really known for dancing (and i will drag Giselle all day for it) but some bring interesting concepts (Aespa and NEWJ) and IVE had a established IT girl followed by hits.

You either need good music or a concept to stand out now, and dancing isn't a concept.

wait ryujin was informally dubbed the nation's boyfriend at one point because of her masculine charm lol

idk really what to input here aside from this: while member selection maybe a problem I don't think its the biggest...

The problem with JYP ggs is that there music isn't to the public's liking and the group members themselves have no real promotion or relevance outside their cb. They're not having individual activities or doing group stuff like appearing on shows which has shown to do wonders for the songs or group as a whole as shown with Sneakers going a bit viral.

JYP is a trend-follower rather than a trend-setter. The company hasn't done anything new or fresh in forever.

Even NMIXX's weirdness is just doing the Aespa thing, but multiplying it x 10

members are def not the problem here. I mean have you seen the nmixx members? They're all very talented and one of the few 4th gen groups that consistently sing live really well.

The problem is music. They need better music.

Tbh NMIXX's only strength in this saturated kpop market is having better singers than most. But why does that matter if their songs are more dance oriented and don't show off their group vocals? They should've gone something more like a mamamoo route to be more unique and differentiate themselves

The only takeaway from this thread is you know chaewon and hyein exist? Better hide ma girls real quick

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It always doesn’t hurt to have MORE visuals added to the group even if some people say they are the “useless” ones. Bringing in money is literally the most useful thing in a business. If JYP had his way Twice would just have been 6 members and no Tzuyu, Mina or Sana.

clearly you didnt watch Sixteen

Mina and Sana are the more skilled ones on the show. Just that JYP isnt utilising them well on twice songs

the JYP groups have good composition of members, just that JYP doesnt know how to use them

If you notice, most of the Top GG out there has popular members that are being promoted well / IT girl. JYP just aint willing to promote any of the girls individually, afraid that they become Suzy and Miss A 2.0

It is clearly not working in JYP GG favour, they barely vibe with the public anymore after few comebacks. Ryujin and Yeji were super popular back then but JYP didnt capitalise on it. Im sure the same thing will happen to Sullyoon and Haewon

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I think it was BlackpinkHouse who said recently that dance groups are just doomed. As much as i like Ryujin's aesthetic and rapping pre-debut, she's kinda be lackluster as a leader/it girl for the group. I think they focused on dancing and that doesn't pay the bills anymore as a concept. Besides that, its just be average music, which can get them somewhat far, but not where JYP would want.

Being from a top companies guarentees some success if you just release basic/average music and skate by and i think thats what JYP did. NMIXX just messed up because they didn't do the basic/average music part and proceeded to not be able to brand members because everyone focused on their unorthodoxed music.

Whether it be Aespa, NEWJ, or IVE, none of them are really known for dancing (and i will drag Giselle all day for it) but some bring interesting concepts (Aespa and NEWJ) and IVE had a established IT girl followed by hits.

You either need good music or a concept to stand out now, and dancing isn't a concept.

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I remember looking at a list of the top GGs from 2nd gen onwards and there are almost zero performance/dance centric groups listed.

SNSD

2NE1

WG

Sistar

RV

Twice

BP

Gfriend

Mamamoo

Oh My Girl

Itzy

Aespa

Idle

Ive

New Jeans

Gfriend and Itzy are the only groups who could be categorized as performance centric (i would also include Twice, they have some amazing choreos but most would probably disagree). The rest of the groups are more about vocals, songs, concepts, visuals and stan attractors.

This is why i worry about Lesserafim. I dont want them pigeonholed as being a performance group, constantly raising fan expectations to a point where even they cant meet them. Plus doing all these heavy choreos plus having to learn so many choreos to please fans could easily lead to mental burnout and premature physical breakdowns. And yet they can't completely abandon this either, this is part of their legacy now. Hybe is gonna have to walk a very delicate tightrope balancing act with this group going forward.