About 4th gen vocals

I think I understand what you are talking about. If aespa and nmixx have the best vocals in their gen, of the two groups only Lily and Karina's vocals seem to have a soul and give a dramatic feeling, the other members just throw notes left and right or scream. The rest of the groups are just very below average and I am not even able to listen to bgs. I miss the emotional connection, I miss the texture. It all feels so empty.

+ maybe it's just a lack of a creative hand over what they create? you know, when I watched bts from the studio of some older groups, they usually tried different versions, looked for that connection, shared their feelings. But now it really isn't there? The producer simply tells them his requirements and the idol has no right to say anything. Maybe that's the problem?

the era of singing has ended, now we sing shout and talk rap

I honestly think that 4th gen has some stellar singers and not so stellar ones. Just like 3rd gen and 2nd gen had.

I'm not differentiating vocal abilities based on generations, its a case by case appreciation for me.

Sorry, I disagree. In both boy and girl groups; The 2nd and 3rd generation vocal power and technique are overwhelmingly superior. In the 4th generation dance, there are not many groups that weak dancer but the 3rd generation groups were good at dancing and vocals both.

Personally feel like people look back on previous generations with rose tinted glasses. Every generation only really had a handful of truly Phenomenal singers and then a lot of average ones beyond that.

Like there weren't like 50 Seeyas and Mamamoos in gen 2 and 3

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+ maybe it's just a lack of a creative hand over what they create? you know, when I watched bts from the studio of some older groups, they usually tried different versions, looked for that connection, shared their feelings. But now it really isn't there? The producer simply tells them his requirements and the idol has no right to say anything. Maybe that's the problem?

Interesting point. I'm guessing that the reasoning behind this is because they are newer groups. They probably haven't earnt the right to have much creative input. Watching Red Velvet recording FMR - they had a lot more input vs Aespa recording DCT.

Meanwhile, I don't think 4th gen is bad at all. I kind of feel that while their top vocalists may be weaker than the top 2nd and 3rd gen vocalists, they are better across the board. The weakest in some of the 4th groups are actually pretty decent compared to even middle of the pack of the 2nd and 3rd gen.

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It's not about technical, it's really about give some flavor to a song with your vocal. For example Rosé is not the best vocalist but she does it in Blackpink song cause she sometimes use her voice differently.

I agree with you and yes indeed, it's that lil' something that makes it super special!

But vocal range is something I 'm looking for to a great extent in my basic appreciation. Beyond the flavor that is.

And on that front, I find that many are under appreciated for their ability to do just that, go from a very sustain high pitch to a low and sultry voice. This is exactly why I like Lee Joo-Won, she's not the most gifted singer in the world but she has the ability to do just that, LIVE! (beyond the goof ball moniker). Ningning and Yedam come to mind for 4th gen as well.

It's all a matter of taste in the end, really.

vocals in kpop went down after 2nd gen. Not after 3rd gen. From 3rd gen it is more dancing and less singing.

4th gen is same like 3rd gen but 3rd gen stans are too big headed so they think their gen is superior. Mamamoo are exception in 3rd gen and they were left behind by dance girl groups.

2nd gen was where vocals were important and dancing was minimal. This is also when korea have many singing competitions and famous singers like ailee were domimating kpop. Vocals boy groups like btob and 2am are 2nd gen.