It's hilarious to see narratives pushed in western kpop fanbases (really just pop stan adjacent america twitter and tiktok) that just absolutely fly in the face of the general korean sentiment.
Right now, Koreans think this generation of GGs(the ones they pay attention to) is the most sonically diverse it's ever been.
Yet over here folks are like "everyone is being swallowed up by New Jeans wave"
Display MoreBut they have plenty of titles where they do push (itnw, SNSD, baby baby, igab, the boy, Mr Mr etc), groups don't even attempt adlibs at all anymore
T-ara lacked the designated powerhouse main vocal the rest of 2nd gen had but they overall were capable singers and arguably moreso than most of this gen. Qri could not sing for shit, couldn't support and whispered out shaky lines. Thats pretty much the average subvocal now.
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My point wasn't that they didn't have songs where they didn't push. My point was that they had massive hits that were anything but vocally intense. I specifically used their crazy massive hits that kinda shot them into the stratosphere for a reason. ITNW and Mr. Mr. were not the tracks that put SNSD at the forefront.
And attempting or not doesn't really matter. Adlibs aren't a denotation of skill. They're just freeform flourishes. The shittiest crooning autotuned soundcloud rapper can adlib for days. I aint gonna pretend that's a skilled technique.
And you really fucking selling a dream suggesting that Qri is anywhere close to the standard for any group. I could buy Hyomin, but QRI?
Runs and adlibs are not inherently vocally intense. Anyone can do adlibs and none of the runs in gee after the bridge are exactly pushing Taeyeon nor Jessica's limits. There mere existence doesn't mean they're particularly difficult to execute.
I've listened to ton of T-ara. I'kll admit to not caring much for The Seeya, (Can only name one track between both versions.) but c'mon T-ara is not a vocal powerhouse of a group and never been sold as such. You really gonna argue that Soyeon or Eunjung can outsing this generation?
See what makes this funny is while THE Seeya never blew up, the original Seeya WAS very successful because of their vocals before their scandal. Obviously a group named after another group that disbanded over a bullying scandal isn't gonna take off
Meanwhile, if T-ara can't carry a tune, most of the groups now need to be put down.
Hilarious that you put T-Ara and The Seeya together in the same post given the ghost singing of the former by the latter.
Display Morethat was for boy groups not girl groups let me quote another user
"Some people get confused because 3rd gen started earlier for bgs with EXO (2012) than for ggs (2014). There was a chart that showed it pretty well, but I don't have it anymore."
also I think exo was 2. 5 generation tbh they are more of an exception I guess they were added to 3rd gen later because they actually broke records and made some impact I don't see any boy group from their era being successful for so long I think they are more an anomaly
you're probably talking the idology chart
Sure, I'm n questioning her solo efforts talking purely in context of her group.
Taeyeon and SNSD's lead singles are worlds apart
The idea that strong vocals was ever a prominant aspect of any generation is a complete lark.
The groups with strong vocalists aren't famous for power vocal songs.
Taeyeon was not flexing her range when singing Gee or The Boys.
You think Luna was putting her godly pipes to use when f(x) was slathered in autotune in Electric Shock and Pinnochio?
The Seeya was the vocally strongest GG of gen 2 and got paid DUST
Meanwhile T-Ara can't carry a tune to save their lives. Didn't stop them from having almost as many hits as the big GGs of that era.
Sixth Sense aint Brown Eyed Girls Mega hit. ABRACADABRA is.
I can at least see the argument for saying EXID is 3rd gen but Crayon Pop and AoA is something.
I'm also referring to general public recognition. Not just music but the whole package. f(x) was an SM girl group and SNSD sister group so that alone boosted their brand power. Plus Krystal and Sulli were huge in acting and commercials. Victoria also was a big star. They were the 3rd highest selling girl group after SNSD and 2NE1. Everyone knew f(x).
I did a poll recently comparing f(x) and Itzy popularity and f(x) won by a landslide. They were more popular than Itzy so they were definitely bigger than Idle.
Itzy absolutely is not bigger than I-dle in Korea. Certainly not in the last 2 years. So sayin f(x) is more popular than itzy means little. I know people love to focus n on wonyoung,, but the attiitude that all the other GGs just have no advertisements just eskews reality.
Wonyoung stands out cause she's got like 20 a year, not cause the other top groups get none
Also you're really stretching things to say Sulli was huge in acting.
???
I-dle has two tracks substantially more popular than f(x)'s biggest tracks at the time. And it absolutely can be argued the same for Kara
Display MoreItzy, sells millions
StayC and Gidle can sell over 250K
That is at least 8 GGs that can sell more than most of the second Gen groups you mentioned.
I love Apink, but they never sold more than 100K per Album, that is Dreamcatcher level. (Apink did chart much better).
Now, we can argue that Album sales are much higher today than in the past, since the international market has opened up.
So you would have to show your math and do some type of album sales inflation adjustment correction.
???
(G)I-dle sold more than a million this year
Just because my favorites are mainly 2nd generation groups don't mean "I lost my passion for kpop", I would say I probably listen even more to kpop today than during the 2nd generation becaue I got in to kpop in the middle of the 2nd generation around 2010-2011. And the songs I listen to are mainly new songs, but sometimes brings up the older 2nd gen song. For example I have never really liked any songs from groups like G(I)-dle or IVE, sure they had have some okey songs before, but nothing I would put on my play list. But I really liked Allergy and Kitch, I like ITZY's Bet on Me alot too and so on.
So claiming that everyone like me that says they believe the music during the 2nd generation was a bit more intresting and fun "haved lost their passion for kpop" is wrong. But I also understand that everyone is biased, included me, and often get a speciall connection to the groups and songs that you you first came in contact with and liked because everything was new and fresh at the time.
their post was in response to drew-b saying that noone cares about k-pop and that gen 2 was the closest it's ever been to mainstream.
This is spite of the fact that if you look at the numbers and sheer prevalence, k-pop has never been as dominant as it is right now in terms of total public consumption.
What makes idol work difficult isn't the work itself.
It' the terms, condition, and requirements of said work.
Dancing and singing isn't where the strain comes for idols. It's the haphazard hours, diets and training periods.
TF does this even mean?
I dunno why pannchoa chose that one comment out of hundreds. It's completely random in the original thread too
