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  • I have finally seen aespa in person, and I have some candid thoughts

    Now I'm very curious, did you also post a review for the Twice concert? would love to see what you thought

  • Honestly, do you think NJZ’s redebut will be successful?

    I get being realistic, but some of the points your making are out of context which is making their situation look worse than it is. Their sales went down, in the midst of an overall decline in sales in the industry and them releasing a double feature within weeks of eachother. If we look at Aespa who literally killed it in 2024, they sold almost 1.7 mill first week with my world, sold 900k first week with their last CB whiplash, yet we aren't saying their fanbase declined. The 'new songs' were barely promoted thanks to the mess and Hyein's injury, were both single albums and one was aimed towards Japan but they still sold 1.6 mill in the first week combined.


    I get wanting them to do huge numbers to screw with the people who hate them thanks to the Hybe thing, but every single time they do anything outside Hybe, get new endorsements, are able to release new music is already sends them into a frenzy. Not to mention, the amount of fans who didn't support those single albums as much as they wanted to due to the disputes with Hybe and not wanting to give Hybe money.

  • Stat Nerds, please chime in. Which NewJeans statistic is the most impressive?

    Honestly, the first one for me. That was the moment people truly realised what monsters they were. We'd seen groups blocking themselves from PAK's before thanks to Bigbang, but that one two three was so insane and the fact that two of the three were their debut just makes it crazier.


    Yeah the rest are insane, but the shock of the first will never wear off for me and B, D, E and F seem less shocking when you know A.

  • ADOR - HYBE Mega Thread - Chapter 9 || Summary on page 1

    Apparently stuff has being going on behind the scenes, including Hybe apparently telling their parents lies to get them to go back and now they've dropped another statement on instagram


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  • ADOR - HYBE Mega Thread - Chapter 9 || Summary on page 1

    I can get an inspection after someone leaves a property but every detail about it sounds like the police needs to be involved and the people who don't see that need to be questioned by said police.


    Imagine if a university landlord did that. A couple days after getting notified the female students were leaving, went at 3am with a bodycam, recorded the entire property and uploaded it online to a incel forum with a tag saying teenage girls dorm.


    Yeah Newjeans had moved out, but even if they had notified Hybe of that had anyone from Hybe gone to check they had before this person went in recording? How did this person get access to the dorm code/key and when? If this person isn't the sanctioned person to check they left, how did they get access and if they are, why are they visiting at 3am? We don't even know the date newjeans told Hybe they had moved out fully by or the date this footage was recorded. Yeah we don't know what this person went into this dorm expecting to see, but from the time of day, they clearly expected to find the members or at the very least, evidence of them living there. The issues aren't gone just because newjeans wasn't there. If some random person within Hybe can get access to the dorm of underage idols, film, post it and have no statement made from the company, then what about the other active groups? Are their dorms any more secured? Considering the amount of rookie groups who have their agencies putting camera's in their dorms I have no doubt Hybe likely does the same, and if so, how are they securing the camera footage?

  • ADOR - HYBE Mega Thread - Chapter 9 || Summary on page 1

    Quote from babyspice31

    Not Belift indirectly admitting to copying Newjeans and MHJ, which they have done before. Like they're not even denying. Atp they should just admit it. They just want the cash and probably don't really gaf about their artists or their reputation anymore. Like these mfers must be in debt or something or else they wouldn't be so desperate. And blaming MHJ for Illit's underperforming comeback is so typical of Belift and all of Hybe. I'm just chuckling reading updates about this.


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    I'd let out such a laugh if the 'cancelled ad deals' were actually deals they tried to steal from Newjeans for Illit but got found out. Would not shock me in the slightest.

  • ADOR - HYBE Mega Thread - Chapter 9 || Summary on page 1

    Quote from Rooney87

    I saw on Reddit and they seem to think its a big win.


    I've only seen a summary of this on Naver, does he provide any evidence to back it up? Surely he has proof it all took place.


    The ceo replies reads like a angry Reddit post. "Blatant lies, trying to take NJs away" and the stuff about Bang PD. Those points and the timing is too convenient. Keep in mind this was in September while this saga was going on, MHJ isn't stupid to risk it all with an individual who she doesn't know that well.

    Basically no - her side keeps denying and he has provided literally no proof apart from trust me bro. However there is a picture of her entering the building (likly from when dispatch was stalking her), allegedly from Sept 30th, but its unclear if Davolink is the only company in that building (who knows, they may be in the same building as her legal advisors) and he is alleging this phone meeting went down end of August.


    But the timing, (him claiming it again after twice trying to increase their stock with public figures) doesn't make it believable, especially since Hybe is currently on their latest media bombardment.

  • I've never understood how Hwasa has the weakest individual sales in Mamamoo

    Simple, as Yama-Chan mentioned, Hwasa has the general public and western multi fans attention so they stream but they aren't invested like her actual fandom so don't buy and the wider moomoo fandom is always poor when she drops music, which tends to be without warning or just with bad timing.


    RBW announced her 2021 CB just before group seasons greetings were announced so some cancelled their orders. It had barely any promotion and was 2 months after the group compilation album dropped so people had to choose and many choose the group over a solo. Then she moved to P Nation. I love my body and chili were... controversial to say the least so some people didn't have much hope for O (and alot seemed to hate NA) which hurt her popularity with multi's. Moomoos wanted to support but no-one in the fandom had the money. P Nation announced it less than 2 weeks before the CB date September 19th. But before that, and with far more notice fans had:


    Musical

    Solar Mata hari musical - January to June and December (and if memory serves EMK allowed international fans to buy tickets and watch online)


    New Music

    Moonbyul - February and August

    Solar - April


    Tours

    Solar - June and July

    Moonbyul world tour - March to August and November to December

    Wheein world tour - February to August

    Hwasa - April, May and June


    That is still not including all the random festivals they attended like waterbomb where fans had to buy tickets. Also I swear there has been a whole thing for most of the year about Hwasa's CB being delayed to the point she even apologised on insta live about it.

  • I hope Nj knows that the longer they wait to re-debut, the more hype they might lose

    Quote from xPaulettex

    Like NJ didn’t plagiarize the Mexican group Jeans, don’t act like MHJ is innocent lol

    :uh-uh-bunny:

    Never said she was innocent, but there is a vast difference between her and the endless mess Hybe has been pushing out. Never seen a company have so many issues with plagiarising from literally every group they have and yet they keep plagarising and yet you think that she and the entire crew behind newjeans is the same as Hybe who is constantly having to pay people off and add credits when called out? sit down and shut up.

  • I hope Nj knows that the longer they wait to re-debut, the more hype they might lose

    So your just going to pretend like Hybe hasn't been outed for trying to put newjeans on hiatus for a year and a half?


    Even if they need to change their concept, its not like they need to endlessly plagarise like Hybe, and its also not like they burned all their bridges with the teams who actually made their music, MV's and were the creative team behind them. They will be fine. How about instead of doom posting on them wonder how Hybe is going to debut another 2 GG's and who they are going to plagiarise for their concept next?

  • ADOR - HYBE Mega Thread - 8 || Summary on page 1

    Quote from Yinye

    in the real business world —— The only way to legally end a contract before expiration is to take it to court.


    It’s because one side can’t just say a my contract is terminated by themselves.


    If contract is terminated but still using ADOR resources to do the work —— how is it really termination per their claim?

    Tell me you know nothing about the business world without telling me you know nothing about the business world.


    Loads of contracts are like this, in fact when companies are looking to buy other companies one of the biggest early jobs for legal teams is to read all the contracts that company has to see who can just terminate if want and if sale will trigger any termination rights. IT IS NORMAL. There are ALWAYS termination rights provided, the only weird thing is that till now idols have only been given the rights to 'seek' to end their contracts by going through the courts, but newjeans' contract is different and from whats been leaked, its totally legal.


    The idea that no-one can terminate without the courts involvement is nonsense. Legal fees can be huge (firms literally charge by the unit an each unit is 6 minutes, so if they spend 4 minutes reading your email, they can charge you for it so you can just imagine the final court costs) and the courts are already mega packed which is why they love to push cases off to alternative dispute solutions like mediation and arbitration. In the grand scheme of things very few cases ever make it to court so ofcourse there are plenty of ways to end contracts without court involvement, especially when it involves individuals.

  • How is it possible Irene sold more than all SM female vocalists in Hanteo

    Quote from Taemin-Identity

    Isn’t seulgi the most popular member?

    Amoungst general kpop fans who aren't fans of RV maybe, but in terms of fanbase it's always been Irene. Until her scandal she was also the most popular with the GP and considering the reaction to her exhibition, she still has a bigger pull than you'd think with the GP.


    I'd also point out China has been going through an economic crisis for a while now, so for Irene to sell this much despite the overall decline in sales across the industry since her members debuted solo and her main fanbase not being able to spend as much as they normally would is insane. Can't imagine how much she'd have sold if she debuted earlier.

  • ADOR - HYBE Mega Thread - 8 || Summary on page 1

    Quote from Prongs

    now they chase their parents since they are losing money and face, while has no shame paid dispatch to stalk their kids.


    Employee b business was to bridge between the ongoing contracts and to ensure ador still the money receiver.


    I will patiently wait for employee o explanation because fraudor has zero credibility explaining thing.

    Honestly, all you need to know is that Ador is throwing its toys out the pram at employee B for doing their job and not lying to companies. Newjeans have announced they've left the company, so newjeans and the entire industry believe Ador no longer have the right to act on their behalf when it comes to signing deals. Why they want the employee to lie to sign these deals is obvious: (1) they want to do the same thing they tried to do with the LV deal they stole and gave to LSF, (2) when newjeans don't turn up they can not only hurt their reputation with potential endorsers but also try and claim newjeans breached the contract, (3) if newjeans does turn up they can keep agreeing to stuff on newjeans behalf and strong arm them into doing it and use it as evidence they are still under contract.


    Employee B telling the companies is just basic business etiquette. If you don't have the power, don't lie but connecting them to who does have the power builds relationships that will be beneficial later. Clearly Ador didn't consider what would happen after they signed this deal with Omega (or anyone else) and made them mad and after seeing what they've done this year, they are deffo the type to thrown every and any employee under the bus to cover their own butts.

  • ADOR - HYBE Mega Thread - 8 || Summary on page 1

    That would be right....if they were actually fans of BTS. Problem is their fandom is plagued by success stans and those with low self esteem who use the success of BTS, and by extension, Hybe to pad their ego. To them, BTS becoming big because of their fan's effort makes them as fans feel important and that all their achievements are because of them. BTS's success is entwined with their self worth and when you're not successful or feel unworthy in your own life, seeing your actions (however small) lead to the success of others, or joining those who had that impact is a high most never get. They get an inflated sense of self worth and self importance because they 'made BTS' or being part of a fandom with such huge power makes them feel important and powerful. The kpop model does thrive on this kind of interaction, often encouraging it (hence all the fans getting mad when idols date despite the fans putting all the money in to make them successful) but what Bighit did with BTS took it to a new level, they actively weaponized armies which gives them a greater sense of power and it doesn't help that BTS take every opportunity to say they are where they are thanks to armies. Normal in the kpop space, but to those who need validation, its a high unlike anything else, especially because they are famous and doing this on a world stage.


    Then Hybe becomes a huge company and armies feel even more power because this massively successful company is built on BTS, which is built on their joint effort. All of a sudden they can even own shares in this company they helped build. Feel like a failure in your own life? Not a problem anymore, look at the massive uber successful company you helped build and look it even has loads of huge american artists under it. Now you have even more bragging rights because you helped them buy a company with hugely well known american artists.


    So its less about BTS, and more of some toxic people who clearly need alot of therapy feeling like a kingmaker only for someone to pull the rug from under them and expose the one thing they take most pride in as a fake and more toxic than everything else around it. They can't handle it so go to bat for Hybe even more.

  • ADOR - HYBE Mega Thread - 8 || Summary on page 1

    Quote from Uni909

    How certain are we that NJ termination of Ador's contract is valid and they are finally free? They are free in a sense, but it's still a ongoing case. And btw, have they left Ador's dorm and office for good?

    They moved out of the dorm weeks ago, only relationship between them and the office is they are doing the final jobs signed through Ador before the end of the contract but seems like those are also done.


    Contract is finished according to newjeans legal team. It states they can cancel if Ador breaches and fails to correct, which they did, multiple times. The contract they were under and the one that makes all other groups have to seek injunctions are different. As far as we know, no idol with their base contract has ended it which is why people are acting up, but fact is, their legal advisors and hybes legal advisors have read it, stan twitter hasn't.


    So why is Hybe asking if the contract is valid or not? Well two reasons. One, legal cases are expensive, and theres nothing like prepping for a case only to be told pretty much everything is useless because the contract isn't even valid anymore. Second is likely the biggest reason why, it would screw Hybe over if Newjeans launches a claim for damages. When you claim damages, the claimant needs to put forward an amount they think the counterparty needs to pay them by showing what they lost out on and how much each is worth. Claimants will try to inflate the figure saying its reasonable and add all the bells and whistles they can knowing they'll be argued down by the counterparty and the courts will award something in the middle. So if Hybe claim for damages, only to get told the contract is over because of what Hybe/Ador did, they not only lost the case, but will have provided newjeans with a starter list of all they have lost out on, along with inflated figures of the worth of all those things and will have to argue that the figures they provided for those losses are too high (and what court is going to believe that?).


    This is literally the only smart legal move Hybe has done from the start of this mess.


    Edit - just to add, this is likely pushed by the legal team not Hybe itself. Lawyers have duties to the courts and the public to be fair and tell the truth etc, so asking them to basically say, the proof we got for these figures are inflated, we knew this, and we didn't check them is like asking them to request their legal licences get revoked for malpractice.