Posts by onwards

  • MAMAMOO's Solar and Moonbyul renewed their contracts with RBW for 3 years!?

    Agreed but I'm actually not disappointed. Yeah they don't pump money into promo but...overall they seem to be far better than most of the industry, especially right now.


    Realistically, they are on their third contract now, still the main source of idol income for the company which means the renewal terms will be great for them, each is currently on tour, have released music as they like, control their own content, youtube channels and tv show appearances. We haven't heard anything about mistreatment, money issues, or them wanting to do something the company won't let them do, cancelling CB's or overworking them. RBW is literally their playground. In contrast, we've seen how hard it is for idol run companies (Hyolyn using all her money to pay employees, Ravi (nuff said), Beakhyun's became a subsidiary of a BPM, same with Zico's, who knows what happened to Henry's and Kang Daniel is currently in court about his company). Think the only ones that went well are JYP, Jay Park etc, all of whom severely limited their solo work to build a company and retreated to focus on pushing other idols.


    I think we've also seen from what happened with Chungha's first company and what's currently going on with Hwasa how much other companies can delay, cancel or push stuff back. Seeing moonsun being able to do as they like, even if they aren't getting as much promotion to the GP as before, I get why they are happy enough to stay. I'd have never thought RBW would have them touring at the same time, but here we are and they are both doing really well.


    Can't remember how long Hwasa's contract is, but I don't think she'll stay at P Nation, I don't think anyone's ever renewed with them, so yeah just waiting to hear news on Wheein.

  • Least popular members from most popular groups probably have it tough

    Quote from vzal

    It's not only Arin and Sejeong, you have 2nd gen idols like Eunji, Naeun and Sunhwa doing better than some SNSD members and 2ne1. Don't even need to mention groups like Kara, WGs can anyone name even 1 member from these groups?

    Okay I'm not going to stand for this Apink slander! They were mega popular, but why are we really conflating different career choices/circumstances to doing better in general in Korea?


    Can we really compare idols going into acting at their peak of solo fame to Hyo deciding to become a DJ that barely releases music or does shows? 2ne1 is an even harder case. CL was blocked from doing anything for years, Bom was in hiding and Minzy was trapped with a bad company. Even the most active member Dara was mostly doing variety shows every now and again and enjoying her money. Fame doesn't last forever, even group fame. Not to mention Arin and Sejeong haven't been active nearly as long as either group have been in the industry with sustained (if more sparse) careers. Thats also not taking into account their desire to slow down and enjoy their money


    Also Hara and Sunmi.

  • Least popular members from most popular groups probably have it tough

    With the Sejeong thing TBH I'm surprised. I always give her credit because I've heard how hard it is for a idol turned actress to get positive reviews and she always seemed consistently very popular with the GP in Korea to me, but apparently not!


    I honestly didn't mean to treat them as nugu, I think of them kind of like brave girls and momoland, big peaks in quick succession but unable to sustain it music wise. But in that regard, is Arin really a good example of any of this? You mentioned April which is why I included them alongside OMG but if her drama was really that huge and in 2022 which was after dun dun dance, she really isn't relevant as an example. I def agree she is more popular than those you mentioned but when your from a lesser known group with little to no huge hits the followup work you do really builds your brand and name in a way idols from well known groups don't need to do. There are plenty of examples of this. Look at Tsuki, she went viral in Korea, but the company didn't manage to fully take advantage with follow up works.


    I'd also say being part of a mega popular group and being an SM idol carries the same amount of pull. The SM privilege means you have a certain level of fame and popularity even before debut.


    As for the long run, honestly IDK. When it comes to fame amongst the GP, yeah but that heavily dependent on choosing good follow up scripts and maintaining popularity with the GP which is notoriously hard as they love the new.


    I honestly think this convo just shows our risk attitude, I'm more risk averse. I prefer guaranteed earnings and safety nets over a higher income peak that could pop at anytime. Few are going to have an April level scandal, but I'd prefer to have stacks in the bank if it does and a loyal fandom that'd still keep supporting me.

  • Least popular members from most popular groups probably have it tough

    Quote from vzal

    Most popular member in lesser known groups like Gugudan, OMG, April is better than being the least popular in top groups like RV and Mamamoo. Who do you think is more relevant in Korea: Sejeong and Arin or Wendy/Yeri and Moonbyul?

    Honestly using Sejeong is a cop out, she was one of the most popular members in a hugely successful group before she was in gugudan and its the IOI fame that got her the acting gigs and kept her relevant whilst gugudan flopped. From the get go people said she was being made to hard carry the group and if her company hadn't allowed her to take on work outside the group I don't think she'd have found as much success as she has. OMG and April are far more realistic and representative.


    I'd also say Moonbyul is not the least popular in Mamamoo, maybe amoungst the general public but she has the biggest solo fanbase, a better example would be Solar or Wheein.


    But even going with your example for the public recognition thing, looking at the success of Arin and whoever from April (is it Naeun??), have they made more money and gotten better opportunities than Wendy/Yeri and Moonbyul? I'd argue no. Least popular in popular groups means they got paid out for major joint ad deals, major concerts and tv show appearances that may help them secure other roles. Even the group name brings them extra opportunities and buzz. Moonbyul and Wendy both have had very successful radio shows, solo's that sold well, and get invited to TV shows based on the power of the group brand name. Wendy got cast in a musical and moonbyul has done multiple solo tours, all of this is due to the group brand name power giving them a leg up when starting their solo careers. As for Arin and Naeun(?), they may get opportunities, but its hard to sustain that buzz without impressive works behind you, your literally building a career from scratch and as we've seen, plenty of less idols from less famous groups go viral for some reason or another, but very few manage to make a career of it or have a company who is able to jump on it. Arin is the most popular in OMG but her buzz has gone down alot since WM(?) don't know how to sustain it and all she seems to have done is ad deals and dip into acting without much success(?). Thinking of the most popular/viral members of smaller groups, I can't really think of any who managed to make a big career with that background.

  • Former FIFTY FIFTY members Saena, Aran, and Sio signed with IOK Company's new subsidiary MASSIVE E&C

    Got a not so nice update on IOK's current situation and its not looking good for the members.


    Naver is reporting on Dispatches report on IOK. In summary:

    - Contract is for 5 years

    - IOK’s chairman Kim Taesung was sentenced last month for 2.6 years in prison for bribery and 1 year for violation of the political funds act. (He was apparently sending money to North Korea and it’s in relation of politician Lee Hwa-young : former Gyeonggi Province Peace Vice Governor)

    - Their music division is lead by singer “ The One” as executive director who is in trouble with his ex over missing child support

    - IOK has been losing money for 8 years now - “Looking at the performance of the past 3 years, it was -3 billion won (2020), -8.3 billion won (21), and -10.8 billion won (22). In 2023, it also had a deficit of 7.7 billion won.”

    “IOK is covering its deficit with convertible bonds. Since 2007, it has issued 20 convertible bonds, 20 convertible bonds with warrants, 13 paid-in capital increases, and 1 bonus capital increase.”

  • [BTS CONTENT] BTS Suga personally apologizes for being intoxicated while driving E-scooter; license revoked

    Agreed on the helmet, it was scary how quickly he faceplanted and how close his head got to those metal poles. From the clip it looks like he fell off because he suddenly braked too hard on the turn and it looks like his knees got quite the impact too.


    Glad he didn't lie but...this really has me questioning how regularly he drinks because his tolerance seems high. I can see why they didn't think he was drunk till they got close and smelled the alcohol. He was very moblie, got up quick, and his small stumbles could easily be because of the fall. Even the fall itself looks like something you'd see with people new to bikes.

  • [BTS CONTENT] BTS Suga personally apologizes for being intoxicated while driving E-scooter; license revoked

    Quote from Kitty_Saurus

    Some fans are making a fool of themselves but its obvious that antis used this as an opportunity to spread hate and misinformation

    Just came from twitter where some fans have been doing a 'jeongyeon challenge' of buying insane amounts of food and posting pictures to fat-shame jeongyeon (and just widely fat-shaming her), apparently in retaliation to people making jokes using alcohol free and the song rising to number 2 on genius korea...I'd say between that, accusing Rose and Jennie of being d*ug addicts and what happened with seungkwan and moonbin its beyond making fools of themselves.

  • [BTS CONTENT] BTS Suga personally apologizes for being intoxicated while driving E-scooter; license revoked

    I think that snip is in promilie (so 80 milligrams of alcohol per 100 milliliters of blood) basically the exact same thing, just a different way of saying it. If we convert his score, he is at 2.27 promilie. Just confusing as the snip isn't saying measurements or even if its by blood or by breath.


    UK driver here. Frankly thats not an excuse for the way armies were acting. It wasn't reported as the allowed limit in the UK, people just didn't bother to read and realise that there are different ways to measure blood alcohol. From the get go it was reported as over 0.08 BAC, which was made clear as the legal limit in most countries and the police mentioned his licence was taken. If even one person went onto the UK gov website where it tells you everything to do with stuff like that they'd have realised the UK measures in milligrammes per 100 millilitres of blood which is the same as 0.08 BAC.


    The UK gov website also states that if your over the legal limit you can get a years driving ban, 6 months in prison and an unlimited fine. If the driving ban is over 56 days, you have to retake your test, so yeah the UK gov actually will take your licence if your over the limit. Alcohol levels don't matter, if your over the limit your over the limit. They can't just give lower sentences for lower BAC scores, they don't know how high your score may have been when you started your journey and it'd encourage people who had slightly less drinks to want to risk it which would lead to more accidents. Also the more you drink the more your tolerance goes up, which only impacts how drunk you feel but your reaction time etc always plummets, so you could be at 0.227, feel sober but have the attention span and reaction time of a toddler.


    As for size thing, the UK law classes anything with an electric motor that can propel you over 15.5mph as a motorbike which you need a licence for and the drink driving limit for motorcycles is the same as for cars. The only separation thats made is for professional drivers where the limit is 0.02 BAC. Professional drivers also includes things like taxi and deliver drivers, so its not based on size.

  • [BTS CONTENT] BTS Suga personally apologizes for being intoxicated while driving E-scooter; license revoked

    Can't find it now but there was also articles floating around of survey's done of people around his age about traffic laws. Whilst they didn't know about certain weights and speed scooters being treated like cars, they all knew it was illegal to drink and drive scooters and kickboards and the reaction isn't good because that was his excuse in his apology.

  • [BTS CONTENT] BTS Suga personally apologizes for being intoxicated while driving E-scooter; license revoked

    Quote from pchromo4

    Really hoping the 0.227% number is not true (though it would be really ballsy of a news outlet to claim something that can be factchecked easily) because it's honestly a very concerning level of alcohol. Regardless of the investigation outcome and sentencing, I hope this is a wake up call for Suga to quit drinking, period.

    I honestly buy it at this point, the police only said it was above 0.2 which triggered a higher offence. So either way, he was long over the limit and into alcohol poisoning territory. But I'm curious to see if they'll actually try to give him prison over this or just settle for fines.

  • [BTS CONTENT] BTS Suga personally apologizes for being intoxicated while driving E-scooter; license revoked

    Quote from Tatiana1820

    wait that's honestly concerning, he should see a doctor asap and get into rehab or smth.


    and stay far far away from driving anything really!

    Yeah this is why I don't get why they aren't taking it seriously and still trying to defend and make jokes. They could have woke up to news of him dying because he drowned in his own vomit on someones doorstep and you know they'd be blaming the police for not patrolling enough and finding him.


    I don't mean to diagnose someone but theres also a clip floating around of him literally drinking a bottle of whiskey on stage and talking about one MV saying he couldn't have done it without alcohol make it seem like he's a high functioning alcoholic or something.

  • [BTS CONTENT] BTS Suga personally apologizes for being intoxicated while driving E-scooter; license revoked

    Quote from newnick09

    0.2 is not big number. This is literally could be 2-3 beers. For me is hard to believe someone would falling down on the ground with that number. Like I have 0.8 one time after party when I walked home and police checked me and I could easily walking straight without falling.

    Yeah I think your remembering wrong, you were probably at 0.08. If you were at 0.8 you'd be dead. 0.4 is a lethal amount of alcohol. At the point he was at, he'd have lost consciousness and armies should be very thankful he was found or he'd likely be dead. When your that passed out drunk you won't wake to vomit so people will literally choke to death on their own vomit if you don't turn them onto their side intime.


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  • [BTS CONTENT] BTS Suga personally apologizes for being intoxicated while driving E-scooter; license revoked

    Quote from Elliah

    Right.. I think the point of making memes and laughing is to try to damage control. By making it seem like it's just some dumb and funny thing, it might make others assume it's not big deal since they see the reaction being "he just stupidly fell outside his home how funny". Some fans sadly prefer for their fave to never be in anything less than a good light instead of being held accountable even when they do wrong.


    It's worth mentioning that a lot of his fans are also reacting normally. And I think after the CCTV footage more of his fans realized how dangerous it was.

    I still don't think they get how bad it could have been, it was a 10-12 lane road. He could have caused a literal pile up of cars if he drifted any further to the right whilst drunk and not paying attention.

  • JYP is really the best in managing their finances

    Quote from FoReveries

    i guess that's what near-bankruptcy does to you, after that you'll become a lot more cautious, knowing the fear of financial abyss.


    Aren't they coasting too much on their current, older successful groups though, instead of developing or reinvesting in their groups to uplift them to the next level? Ah well, as long as the artists themselves are still happy and content, and seeing how their older 3rd gen groups have extended their contract, seems like they do.


    Wasn't this proven false or at the least unsubstantiated a long time ago, as fake news? Meaning not real leaks, but just some guesswork compilation by some anonymous internet poster.

    Haven't heard that one, I remember hearing the OG ones from the big 3 plus a couple big companies (if memory serves starship and one more) at the time was leaked from the JYJ lawsuit, the rest which includes bighit etc, no idea where that came from.

  • [BTS CONTENT] BTS Suga personally apologizes for being intoxicated while driving E-scooter; license revoked

    So Hybe has dropped another apology because people are calling them out over the scooter thing and him loosing his licence. Another is deffo coming though because people are also calling them out over the 500 meter thing and the other lies. Turns out that was as the crow flies, going by roads is almost 3km and by the direction he was going in, (if he wasn't driving in reverse and followed the road laws) he'd have to drive further than the 3km.


    Where he was driving was a major road with 10-12 lanes, he didn't have 1 beer like it was, and he wasn't outside his house, it was a 20 minute walk away from his house and I'm going to need an Army to confirm this but people are saying the reason he got public service because he injured his shoulder in a solo bike accident.

  • JYP is really the best in managing their finances

    Quote from selfmate

    interesting - got a source mate? since I read/heard it was the opposite

    This is a very old source, from what I hear this leaked years ago, but note this is all based on the initial contract. Kind of explains why SM works their groups to the bone during years 1-6 then neglects them for the final 3-4, and doesn't like to send them on tours outside Korea.


    https://www.reddit.com/r/kpop/…/#:~:text=Musicians%20don't%20make%20much,most%20cash%20for%20these%20labels.


    Edit - if you have chrome, here is the page it likely came from (note you'll have to add the second n and remove the space) https://pan .nate.com/talk/330911705