Why everyone always believe there’s something behind a couple outing? Judging by the pictures she wasn’t even hiding and we know SM is cheap. Also who truly cares about 4th generation idol dating except teen stans?
Now if it was Jungkook I could understand but Karina and that actor?!
Karina is popular in Korea and SEA, they love her face and the majority of Aespa's Korean fanbase are men who love her and Winter. If it were me and my idol went viral for something that could cut off the majority of my groups male fanbase I'd want someone else to do something to make my idol look better in comparison. 'Yeah she read a feminist book but at least she's still single so keep buying stuff conservative men who think female idols dating or being feminists is one step up from devil worship.'
SM is cheap, but if somethings confirmed by others they don't tend to try and deny. The only reason they'd try to drag JK into a scandal would be if they want worldwide news along with female fans losing their minds to cover something up. You don't need a sledge hammer to crack a walnut shell.
edit - also if they weren't hiding it why was there no news? idols can't even have the same phone case without it starting rumors or speculation yet there was nothing up until dispatch dropped the news? Just seems weird to me.
I guess the whole dating ban thing really isn't a thing. Baekhyun dated Taeyeon 2 years after debut, Jennie dated Kai like 2 1/2 after her debut, Jihyo dated Daniel like 3 years after debut, and now Karina like 3 1/2 years after debut.
That is the supposed dating ban though? No dating for the first 2 years after debut.
I feel like its a mix between his agency wanting more publicity for his drama so exposing it and Hybe was looking for something to help cover Yunjin's feminist book thing so helped it spread faster. We all remember what happened to Irene and LSF is also know for having a heavily male fanbase.
There is no way his agency was able to get SM to agree and confirm this 2-3 hours after it hit the headlines when we are normally waiting a day at the very least for some news. His agency is deffo involved somehow, they didn't even let it brew online for long and its been what? a month since they started dating?
3 mix are the best singers in the group but we all saw how much people hated Jihyo's singing style and Jeongyeon lost alot of confidence due to her illness. She's never even done a melody project. I doubt she'd want solo music.
Chae would drop indie music, Mina and Tyuzu are wildcards (don't think they have the charisma or personality to be solo but who knows) and if the song is right Sana and maybe Momo could do really well.
Honestly its impressive how badly they've timed it historically. It used to be Seventeen and EXO in SK, then the moment they went west it was Miley and Morgan Wallen, at least they have a week or two this time around
Honestly streams are worth peanuts for everyone but the streaming platform.
This kind of makes you wonder how much idols actually get from streams since the percentage depends on the relationship with the publisher (e.g. JYP) and spotify
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Not saying I agree with all OP said in the thread but...China and their IP laws is very common knowledge worldwide and though it has gotten much better (especially since they made amends to the laws in 2021 and started publishing articles of cases to prove they will protect copyright) its hard to wash away peoples long held views. For years we've heard of companies pulling out of China due to copyright issues.
Top Gear even did a full 2 part series in 2011 talking about how Chinese car makers were essentially making dupes so companies fully pulled out the market (still available on YT I think). Then theres articles like this -
The survey's findings reinforce the importance of IP theft in the trade war negotiations between the Trump administration and China.
www.cnbc.com
Historically, the Chinese courts didn't care so many companies would fight to have contracts governed by the laws of Hong Kong or Singapore incase they need to sue (and to this day many still insist because they don't trust the Chinese courts for anything). That's not even taking into consideration that even if you win, the Chinese courts may not bother to enforce a judgement from another country.
I'd say its only in the past 10-15 years that its gotten better as (1) the general populace have gotten richer and started wanting the genuine brands and (2) they only opened to the west in 1978, back then they were behind in terms of technology, money and education, they spent 40 years absorbing all the above, improving it and making their own advancements so they no longer need to copy and are now focused on protecting what they have (hence the change to copyright laws, them beating the rest of the world in patents filed since 2016 onwards and the major copyright crackdown in the past 5 years with huge wins for companies like Lego and Jaguar (though the latter was fighting for 12 years for this)).
Edit - Thats not to say it isn't still a major issue, just look online for the pure volume of people putting Shein and other fast fashion brands on blast for copying their designs (blogilates even posted all her conversations with the CEO of Shein when they copied her designs https://www.blogilates.com/blog/shein-stole-my-design/, there are channels who dedicated to tracking down the OG creators and Safiya Nygarrd did a vid on this a couple months ago -
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Pre-orders include the amount stores ask Cube to hold for them according to their guesstimate on album demand so they don't sell out on release day. A store can backtrack if the demand isn't as high as they thought it would be which is likely what happened here. Didn't the same happen with Aespa a couple releases back?
I don't really follow Bibi's career, but she always had good results like this? I'm pretty impressed, honestly. Especially because Taeyeon, that guy, I don't remember his name😅 ruling the charts for 2 months now, or more, and IU is here too with TWS, and we'll see how Le Sserafim will perform.
Don't think she's ever charted this high or ever this well - I remember hearing she is one loved by other musicians and westerners more than the public and that her Smiley feat was by far her highest charting.
Her music is pretty popular in RnB circles so shes always done far better on streaming sites than on charts. Her music sometimes gets blocked as inappropriate so she can't promote it and she did say on knowing bros she gets money from acting and producing so she can make the music she wants to make. This time around she can promote it and some reels of her on radio star apparently went super viral in SK.
Edit forgot to mention she also did a remix of Eve, Psyche & the Bluebeard's Wife which would have helped too.
One twice member needs to bite the bullet and learn English to a good enough level for the interviews. Dahyun is my pick she seems the best.
My money is on Tyuzu or Nayeon - Tyuzu currently knows the most languages so it would be easiest for her to pick up and I swear Nayeon has shown alot of vlogs of her learning with her tutor and her flashcards
Ok, lets say all this can be true. I believe some idols already had enough time to become better singers, if they were good singers they should bea able to sing well by now. How can we considered this idols amazing or just good singers if they cant reach the note and their voices crack many times? they dont sound nothing like the record version. I mean, nobody considers Lia a great vocalist, i and many more believe she have a nice tone, but she needs alot of work, she is not a good singer. Meanwhile, for example, many fans believe Jimin or Tae are good vocalists. And i cant tell you this, Lia, Jimin and Tae have good "Live performances", but in encores suffer alot to sing their own songs. How a good singer cant reach the note of their own song? also, i cant think of any good singer that cant sing well without the in-ear thing, only can think in bad ones.
Honestly don't think you pay attention to singers enough to know who does and doesn't use in-ear. THEY ALL DO because in big venues where the crowd or music is loud or when room acoustics are messed up they need to be able to hear themselves sing. There are countless videos of singers like Beyonce and Ariana Grande taking them out and putting them back in constantly throughout concerts for this exact reason. Adele famously had issues with hers at the grammys when singing all I ask and was totally off pitch. I honestly don't know any famous singer who doesn't use them.
Note I'm not in any way saying these idols are amazing or even good, just that your thinking is a little linear. Repetition doesn't mean a direct increase in quality. For example, if you take hundreds of photo's a day, sure your quality will increase slowly over time, but not as fast as if you had a teacher giving you feedback and if you stop lessons half way, your not going to be as good as someone who is consistently taking lessons and getting feedback. meanwhile there are some who excel with little to no guidance would be considered geniuses, and those who rarely take photo's are going to see far less improvement no matter the amount of time. IMO its the same with idols, for alot of idols the most time they spend singing live is in the studio where they aren't going to get feedback because the have someone ready to 'fix' their voice. Separate from this I do agree that if your making me pay to hear you sing it needs to be live and with some quality so I expect a level of professionalism by you getting lessons. But I do appreciate that for most, their schedules are so packed they literally have no time and the companies aren't going to make finding time for lessons a priority.
Many idols get taught bad or incorrect techniques that over time damage their voices because the companies want a specific sound and lots of work is done in post production to fix it (why else is SM convinced they can make literally anyone an idol?). We have long known that many of the 'live' videos are anything but to cover all these issues and whilst they aren't the best singers, bad choices in song, lack of training and technique make it far worse. Take momo for example, predebut she used to skip vocal lessons because they were so difficult for her (the JYP half air method be damned), for years we've known her natural voice is far lower than what she puts out in Twice and misamo confirmed it on every track, yet she consistently is made to sing far higher than she can handle. Is she a great singer? no, but how can she get better/sound better when the songs aren't even in her range to practice with a teacher and shes fighting to be on pitch even in the recording studio? IMO there are plenty of idols on par with her or even worse, BUT being made to sing outside her range made it far more visible whilst other companies are far better at hiding it and choosing songs that suit their groups ranges.
Boy, so many put alot of responsability on this in-ears thing. Mmmm, that could be a thing in the first bad encore, but in the next ones? I find hard to believe that people who work so much every day in their skills cant solve this issue in the next encore. THey cant practice before the song in acapella? How other groups dont present this problem? How even some idols in the same group, in the same encore, dont show this problem with their voices?
Honestly some are bad singers but if you can't hear yourself sing and haven't practised singing without hearing yourself, its not going to go well for 90% of singers. Also don't forget, few idols keep attending vocal lessons post debut and the companies don't care because the more time they spend practising, the less time they are making the company money. Even if they work on their singing, they do it whilst being able to hear themselves so they can tell when they are off pitch or flat. Without that feedback or years of constant experience singing when they can barely hear themselves of course they'd struggle.
Around 1:40 of the clip below IU mentions part of her practice for golden hour was to sing with her ears blocked because she didn't know how well she'd be able to hear (note she does have a hearing disorder).
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The reason some do have this problem and some don't is probably a mix between not enough training pre or post debut, the idols vocal range and how easy the song is to sing. If the song has loads of difficult sections (or just uses a difficult singing style or technique) and their parts are on the edge of their vocal range, its not surprising they struggle to sing it, especially without hearing themselves. If the song fits easily within their comfortable range without many ups and downs or is talk singing in most parts its easier to sound great in encores.
As wild as it seems, its real. Thats the same OP as claimed Dahyun was the best rapper in the group and was willing to die on that hill.
It was during the rise of insane Dahyun posts (from shes the best dancer in the group, to the best centre apart from Nayeon to the best vocalist) and everyone was convinced it was just trolls but, nope they actually believe this mess.
Act ii coming March 29th and will be a country album and the streets are saying act iii is going to be rock and roll.
Literally reclaiming music genres African Americans created but never got credit for and giving the OG's and current makers their flowers
Between this and the Twice album I'm not going to survive March but I'll die happy.
But also - Twice really have bad luck when it comes to album releases. Always getting blocked by big BG releases in SK then getting blocked by huge western releases on billboard.
Some people are clearly missing the point on purpose. Its not about whether they will debut new groups, just running an agency full stop is rough. Yes they all have bags of money, but balancing the books is difficult and if you have no experience and qualifications its easy to find yourself in a hole or trusting the wrong person to help you do all the above. Paying your employees (their pensions, insurance, benefits), paying for music (plus its production, buying rights to anything associated with that), MV's (paying for sets, outfits and the film crew/MV production company), etc and its not like any of them went to school for company management and I don't think any of them even managed to finish high school (not a drag BTW, just a point).
There are loads of extra costs associated with running a company in general they are going to have to absorb. Even if a CB is hugely successful, if they overspend in an area (for example getting consent to use a specific set, art work, outfit or even security to film in public or lock down areas), the company may still end up in the red.
20% of new businesses fail during the first two years of being open, 45% in five and 65% in 10. Don't forget Ravi tried to delay enlistment because the company would have gone belly up without him. Sure they don't need to enlist, but if they decide to take 2 months off, the company isn't making any money but your employees and contractors still need to get paid. I honestly wish them all the success, but its going to be far more difficult than fans think.
Maybe they gave it to Wife because it's charting higher? Even if its banned by them, the higher charting should be of some help for the digital score and social media.
I & S solely because of Naughty - still remember how wild everyone went when it first dropped, first class choreo, song and MV. Blew everyone out the water and literally no group or sub-unit has ever snapped that hard since
In otherwords, SM give them a CB before ya'll get sold off for parts
Honestly Twice and BP broke the scale and makes everyone look mid in comparison which is why this argument is even a thing.
RV was definitely below those two and when people tried to name the top 3, they were always the target to get dropped down and replaced with either MMM, Gfriend and later OMG or Brave girls. They never performed that badly, they just didn't break the scale in some way which made them evenly matched or just above or below any groups people wanted to replace them with so it made for great arguments, but the fact that they were the target to replace speaks volumes about how high up they are...
it also say something about company privilege that no matter what they were always the defacto third despite yoyoing wildly era to era....