Pitchfork Lisa Alter Ego Review

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    LISA wants you to believe she’s multifaceted. The Thai singer and rapper’s debut solo album is called Alter Ego, and if one takes her at her word, these 13 songs are meant to live up to that title. She presents different versions of herself, among them Vixi, a villain who drinks your tears; Roxi, a rock star who loves energy drinks; and Sunni, a girl who’s afraid of the dark. If this sounds a bit hollow, it’s because the concept is designed to sell multiple copies of the same album (CDs can be purchased with one of five photo books, each featuring one of the identities). This marketing ploy also highlights her biggest challenge: LISA, who is part of the record-setting K-pop girl group BLACKPINK, needs to convince you that she has depth without her bandmates. Alter Ego proves she doesn’t.


    At this point in her career, LISA is too big to fail commercially but also too big to succeed creatively. When BLACKPINK was gaining international acclaim, they followed the BTS model of crossover appeal: They collaborated with Western artists, sang more in English, and avoided the genre-blending that makes K-pop a fascinating game of connect-the-dots. One of the group’s debut singles, “Whistle,” was a beguiling mixture of Dipset-isms and country music. “As If It’s Your Last,” from 2017, was like “Pon de Floor” fused with ’80s mall pop (inexplicably, there was country in this track, too). Alter Ego, like much of BLACKPINK’s recent material, doesn’t try anything as audacious. Take the album’s bookends: “Born Again” is a banal disco track in the vein of Dua Lipa, but it fails to understand how a voice can be a vessel for exultant uplift. “Dream” is a shallow ballad that can’t help but feel flimsy, rushing through lines to eschew any meaningful pathos.


    The problem is that LISA’s role in BLACKPINK is to offer moments of snotty charm—her range may be limited, but it has a purpose. When she’s tasked with carrying a track, the songs are tedious. She channels second-rate Cardi B on “Fxck Up the World,” but it’s not until Future arrives—with a phoned-in verse, no less—that we hear any personality. The features on this album often have this effect. “Rapunzel” is too sedate, but hearing Megan Thee Stallion’s “Ah!” reveals that there are ways to take a cutesy song and make it playful, bratty, and cocksure. Most damning is Rosalía on “New Woman.” Hearing her glide in Spanish makes glaringly obvious that LISA should’ve explored the phonological possibilities—and personalities—of other languages. Even her role in The White Lotus, where she speaks in Thai, makes this project feel stifled by comparison.


    If Alter Ego presents LISA as the most generic embodiment of a pop star, then it is no surprise that its best songs rely on tried-and-true formulas. “Moonlit Floor (Kiss Me)” takes the Sixpence None the Richer song and ramps up the sensuality: the couple is in Paris, there’s a lot more kissing, and LISA sings of her lover’s tongue doing tricks. It works because the original hook is so indelible—all its tenderness is already understood, so hearing it collapse into dreamy eroticism feels apropos. These highlights, though, aren’t so much good as acceptable. The syncopated percussion on the Tyla collaboration “When I’m With You” is a welcome change of pace; it may be worse than everything on Tyla, but at least it’s seductive. “Rockstar” is the closest thing here to “traditional” K-pop, but the adventurousness only goes as far as a glossy chorus reminiscent of Tame Impala-produced Travis Scott. One line on “Fxck Up the World” manages to summarize the whole experience: “They want the old LISA, then listen to my old shit.” It’s hard to imagine who wouldn’t.



    LISA: Alter Ego
    Read Joshua Minsoo Kim’s review of the album.
    pitchfork.com

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    At this point in her career, LISA is too big to fail commercially but also too big to succeed creatively.

    like what does that even mean :meme-stare: . where's the correlation between being to big and being creative :meme-what: .

    this review is so biased against her, it feels almost like someone paid for it to drag Lisa :meme-u-ok:.

    a good part of the review is written pretty seriously (the last part mostly), but the other parts feels purposfully negative ...


    i mean the album lacked depth and originality, and wasn't the best quality, but there were definitly some pretty good moments as well. reading that review you would imagine they noted her 3/10 or smth...


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    When BLACKPINK was gaining international acclaim, they followed the BTS model of crossover appeal:

    and why does it feels like that part was written by some hybe pr team :meme-side-eye: ? as if bts invented collabs or smth :meme-what:

    bro :meme-picard-facepalm:

  • Didn't you mention this in one of her album thread? That's why I said, Lisa is forcing me to listen to her album, because I love Sunmi. Don't tell me it was just a dream. 🤣

    Did you...did you misread SunNi for SunMi and convince yourself there's a collab :meme-life-support:

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  • honestly there are way to many wierd things happening to lisa, from the album leak, to the hanteo sales, to the multiples albums versions on spotify, to the INSANE hate she gets online (almost like it was driven by a pr team ahem!) and now this??


    like BRO :meme-fry-narrow: ! someone's out there to get her :meme-side-eye: !

  • Please stop with this HYBE nonsense! I'm begging you!🤣


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    At this point in her career, LISA is too big to fail commercially, but also too big to succeed creatively.

    This means, that LISA can't succeed creatively, because no one will take her seriously, because she's too popular, and don't even try to do something original. This is exactly what I said about popularity, it's nice and all, but you have to follow the rules and the trends, and that's what she's trying to do. Her fans love it, but the average music lovers don't.


    Honestly, that's a fair statement, that's how the industry works, and it's not really a lie if you read the lyrics, how can anyone take her creative side seriously when 80% of her album is about money, expensive stuff, fame, and her boyfriend.


    BTW, Pitchfork rate Rose's album 5.5/10, so it's not just Lisa, and people need to understand. 5/10 is basically AVERAGE, so technically it's not a bad score.

  • many stars are extremely famous, beyonce for example, but the critics never use the pretext of being to famous to be unable to shine creativly :meme-u-ok: .

    like DUH.


    also i repeat myself, but reading the review you would have thought the whole record was a flop and a miss and she got a 2/3 or smth.


    and for hybe, lol their obsession with their rivals and specially with bp and njz is otherwordly. aespa too. there are literal proof of them engenering aespa hate train after their chella stage, making calls to concels njz performance, bying roval compagnies to tank them and getting rid of competition ruthlessly.


    knowing that bts is making a comback this year, they're probably working ten times harder to get rid of ALL their competitors in anyway possible :pepe-tea: . and lisa is their biggest one (+jennie, bp and njz). so no i'm not being paranoid :meme-bonk: .

  • I don't think Hybe has to do some tricks to pull things for Lisa, she is the only reason she gets hate, you just have to listen to the album and what she does, like the Oscars performance. Lisa is one of most superficial K-pop idols we have right now, everything she does lacks emotion, her music is superficial and plastic, the only thing I can sense in what she does is that wants to be famous, and she doesn't give af if it's through dancing, singing or acting, she wants that attention and money, but you won't see passion in her.


    This review has makes really good points why Lisa won't ever be a full pop star like her peers.

  • I don't think Hybe has to do some tricks to pull things for Lisa, she is the only reason she gets hate, you just have to listen to the album and what she does, like the Oscars performance. Lisa is one of most superficial K-pop idols we have right now, everything she does lacks emotion, her music is superficial and plastic, the only thing I can sense in what she does is that wants to be famous, and she doesn't give af if it's through dancing, singing or acting, she wants that attention and money, but you won't see passion in her.


    This review has makes really good points why Lisa won't ever be a full pop star like her peers.

    Fr, BTS just wants to be famous, they beg top ranking positions in every cb even their own solos, they changed their whole artistic image to sing about Butter, PTD just to get that western attention, Rap Monster changed his stage name to RM, now Hybe is even deleting their past ridiculous videos from the internet just so nobody knows how they acted and RM saying he mastered black english, so many things to be famous. I won't even start with Jungkook having his album being all Jeremy work with Hybe to make him the next superficial pop boy!

    Really lack sincerity after getting famous.

  • Not the Hybe maids flocking here :meme-life-support:

    Talking about superficial things when their group image changed drastically after getting famous from songs, to superficial campaigns where they can't even call out their own fandom who does the most hate campaigns in kpop ever, changed their whole name meaning, stage name and now deleting their controversial past videos bc they are a ball of being dragged for who they are and not where they perform.

  • I'm only on mid-February releases, but I think I'll get to this one today or tomorrow. I've disliked all of her pop releases so far, and critical reviews are telling me that it's not going to get better.

    I don't think Hybe has to do some tricks to pull things for Lisa, she is the only reason she gets hate, you just have to listen to the album and what she does, like the Oscars performance. Lisa is one of most superficial K-pop idols we have right now, everything she does lacks emotion, her music is superficial and plastic, the only thing I can sense in what she does is that wants to be famous, and she doesn't give af if it's through dancing, singing or acting, she wants that attention and money, but you won't see passion in her.


    This review has makes really good points why Lisa won't ever be a full pop star like her peers.

    Fr, BTS just wants to be famous, they beg top ranking positions in every cb even their own solos, they changed their whole artistic image to sing about Butter, PTD just to get that western attention, Rap Monster changed his stage name to RM, now Hybe is even deleting their past ridiculous videos from the internet just so nobody knows how they acted and RM saying he mastered black english, so many things to be famous. I won't even start with Jungkook having his album being all Jeremy work with Hybe to make him the next superficial pop boy!

    Really lack sincerity after getting famous.

    Blinks and Army finally agreeing on things :thumbs-up:

  • many stars are extremely famous, beyonce for example, but the critics never use the pretext of being to famous to be unable to shine creativly :meme-u-ok: .

    like DUH.

    I mean, no. Not even a little bit. Did you not see the volume of people who keep claiming her dropping Cowboy Carter is because Morgan Wallen made country popular and mainstream in the US despite her having all three albums done during the pandemic? Or the amount of times she's been snubbed at the grammys despite literally having dropped genre shifting and hugely impactful albums like Renaissance, Lemonade and Beyonce and there literally being grammy judges who have gone on record saying they didn't vote for her because she is 'too famous and popular'. Lets be real, there is a limit when it comes to popularity and they always want people to stay in their lane.


    But I also think another point about the 'too big to fail commercially, but also too big to succeed creatively.' thing is really fair and accurate in her situation. I read it as them saying many artists were able to develop creatively due to commercial failure or the lack of continuous success which allowed them to experiment and find themselves without the pressure to follow up the last success with a carbon copy.


    Because she had success with her solo under YG her team just copied that knowing it would sell well and since her solo fanbase in BP also followed her for that sound, will they be receptive to her challenging herself beyond what they have come to expect from her? Thats unlikely. Success is intoxicating. When you are able to bring in a x amount of money in one genre with a specific sound and aesthetic, nobody wants you to change or allow you to develop beyond that (remember how hard IU had to fight to write her own stuff?) and there are plenty of examples, especially with western companies of management stifling further creative development because they've been successful with one sound.


    Few can take the media and fan backlash and come out a strong success on the otherside. Fall out boy had an entire song MV about this (the takeover the breaks over). Remember how controversial it was when Taylor Swift went full pop and dropped the country? Many never leave their initial sound for this very reason and some only leave it when their success begins to decline but even that is a risk because they could end up abandoned by the fanbase they have left. When Beyonce first separated from her fathers control and decided to make her own company to make her own music, it was taken as a huge risk to her and many thought she'd fail. Not to mention the huge backlash when she dropped formation. Theres a reason SNL had a sketch called 'the day beyonce turned black'. When renaissance first dropped, huge swaths of her fanbase didn't like it and neither did the public but it was a critical smash as she fully reinvented herself, challenged herself creatively and changed genres. She was able to do it because she owns her own stuff and isn't signed to a label that can control what she can and can't release. Whilst Lisa is under her own company, we don't know the details of the RCA deal and how much input they have in what she releases.

  • Talking about superficial things when their group image changed drastically after getting famous from songs, to superficial campaigns where they can't even call out their own fandom who does the most hate campaigns in kpop ever, changed their whole name meaning, stage name and now deleting their controversial past videos bc they are a ball of being dragged for who they are and not where they perform.


    Like shining through the city with a cup milk and soul was soooooo deep and moving :meme-life-support:

    Everything that's being said about Lisa's debut can be said and HAS been said about every kpop artists' debut in the west: safe, impersonal, mimicking mainstream and bordering on generic.

    Ofc it's not a perfect record but, at least sonically, I think it's a step up from prior attempts

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  • many stars are extremely famous, beyonce for example, but the critics never use the pretext of being to famous to be unable to shine creativly :meme-u-ok: .

    like DUH.


    also i repeat myself, but reading the review you would have thought the whole record was a flop and a miss and she got a 2/3 or smth.

    Girl, be serious, please! Beyonce doing this for almost 30 years! Lisa is only 28, and Beyonce was already a singer when Lisa wasn't even born. 🤣 She started her career from zero! Lisa is not even worth mentioning with her in the same sentence. Trust me, Lisa would say the same thing. BTW, if you read older articles, you can find a LOT that was trashing Beyonce, even from last year!


    That's what this guy was referring to, or at least I'm doing that. Lisa has a LOOOOONG way to go to prove herself as a REAL ARTIST! Till she does that, no one will take her seriously, like it or not, that's how this industry works. Just look at Taylor Swift or ANY female singer. She was a nobody, and now she has more Awards than most people.


    Again, 5/10 is an average score, not bad, but not good. 😂


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    I will ignore the HYBE slander, because I don't care about them.

  • i just said even beyonce can get critical acclaim, WHICH SHE DID with Lemonade, Renaissance and even CC. so no beying too famous doesn't make you automaticly unable to be creative or smth like WTF :watt: .


    period. no need to write down an essay about things i never mentioned :rolleyes:.

  • Like shining through the city with a cup milk and soul was soooooo deep and moving :meme-life-support:

    Everything that's being said about Lisa's debut can be said and HAS been said about every kpop artists' debut in the west: safe, impersonal, mimicking mainstream and bordering on generic.

    Ofc it's not a perfect record but, at least sonically, I think it's a step up from prior attempts

    it's definitly better than rose album (no offense). there is much more variety and many songs are actually bangers X/.

  • I'm not sure if monalisalove and DaisyTheGenuine are just being sarcastic about BTS members, but their solo releases kinda prove why I don't give a damn about Western Pop nowadays.


    But I have to give props to RM and Suga, their songwriting is 10 times better, not that it's hard to outdo Lisa, but still. But that Megan collab was like baked poop.


    And now, I'll announce, ARMY will attack me soon, and BLINKS will come to my defense. :meme-free-hugs:

  • It's almost funny

    Lisa's album had all the things Rosie lacked and lacked all the things Rosie had.

    I guess that's why bp works so well toghether, they complete each other :thinkerpepe: .

    lisa has the sultry and bold charisma and the dancing while rosé has the emotional vocals and more depth? Jisoo is the classic asian beauty with a strong personality and Jennie just blends everything well toghether because she's just good at everything :/.

  • I'm not sure if monalisalove and DaisyTheGenuine are just being sarcastic about BTS members, but their solo releases kinda prove why I don't give a damn about Western Pop nowadays.


    But I have to give props to RM and Suga, their songwriting is 10 times better, not that it's hard to outdo Lisa, but still. But that Megan collab was like baked poop.


    And now, I'll announce, ARMY will attack me soon, and BLINKS will come to my defense. :meme-free-hugs:

    I'm not being sarcastic, the change is obvious, but you don't see armys energy towards their own faves.


    And idc about RM or Suga music career tbh neither does majority of their fandom hence why the superficial boys are the ones getting the streams, records etc.

  • I guess that's why bp works so well toghether, they complete each other :thinkerpepe: .

    lisa has the sultry and bold charisma and the dancing while rosé has the emotional vocals and more depth? Jisoo is the classic asian beauty with a strong personality and Jennie just blends everything well toghether because she's just good at everything :/.

    Imagine a Blackpink song made only by the 4 of them and Teddy nowhere to be found :pepe-grooving:

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  • :meme-popcorn::meme-smirk:

    I totally accept fair criticism over Lisa lyrics, album and I was obviously silent in others threads bc even though harsh, they were valid opinions, but I guess I didn't like how that one specific user is really trying to paint Lisa like a fabricated plastic product since threads ago when their faves are the perfect example of what they accuse Lisa of.

  • I think the review is way too harsh and really doesn't give Lisa enough credit. Given that this her first solo album in a new market, I think she did well. Overall I really love the album and I actually do think it shows that Lisa is multi-faceted as we see a variety of different songs from her on here (at least it feels that way to me). My only complaint is lyrics in her raps are getting a bit stale tbh, but it doesn't really turn me off from the songs.

  • I totally accept fair criticism over Lisa lyrics, album and I was obviously silent in others threads bc even though harsh, they were valid opinions, but I guess I didn't like how that one specific user is really trying to paint Lisa like a fabricated plastic product since threads ago when their faves are the perfect example of what they accuse Lisa of.

    Oh, I have no intention of choosing sides here. I hope everyone continues to speak their truth and spill the tea. I'm just an amused spectator and interested bystander


    :meme-go-on:

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