Posts by ill-pray-4-u
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D4 burnt out fast. Forever young is a slower burner
I mean, D4 "burnt out" when it was between the ranks of like 50-100. It spent about 40 or 41 of its 50 weeks on melon in the top 50, which is very high. Most songs for that same statistic is about 50-60 percent of their total weeks, rather than 80 percent in the top 50 for D4. But then after it fell out, it was between 100-200 for a lot longer than most songs. It was mostly just the 50-100 range where it fell fast. Look at similar songs released in 2018 and they are either out of the top 1000 chart or way way lower.
Forever Young didn't last in the top 100 nearly as long as D4, but they are both just... a rare exception of staying power in regards to the fact that they just don't fall any further than the top 200/250. -
Thanks for being considerate. No worries though.
I don't have the data for all boy groups since it would have required physically searching each popular boy groups by hand. I just searched several of the big boy groups to back up my point.
Also it's a bit tough since the data is changing daily.
The day that I searched, BTS had about 35 songs charting, although mostly at the lower ranks, but still the most of any group. Exo had one. Ikon had one. Wanna One had none. I didn't check for other groups but I imagine Winner or BTOB would have one or two. I don't think any other group would have any tbh. You can DM me if you want me to tell you how to search on melon for the data. -
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all im saying is that melon top 1000 is a really really random chart, songs can fall 200 spots in a day and rise back 100 the next one, its so random we cant give it much importance. You saying i dont acknowledge it cuz twice isnt the first is the same as me saying you only acknoweldge it cuz bp is first, idk if you get what i mean
also for kk:
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For two days in January, a month ago.
Occasionally something will happen to give a song a temporary boost, but those are exceptions, overall you don't see that often unless something happens (like the song playing on TV or something). The majority of the songs on the chart continue to stay on the chart, and rise and fall at a natural pace. Besides KK and Cry For Me (Which has been dropping little by little every day for the most part since its release), the other Twice songs are still in relatively similar places as nowThere are always exceptions, but that doesn't make a rule or that the whole chart is random. -
I just checked and IU has 33 songs in the top 1000 currently. Her 33rd is at spot #738, and the next most popular song is out of the top 1000. BTS actually has 35 songs in the top 1000, the most for an idol it seems, although their songs are generally placing lower than IU's songs (For example BTS only has about 25 songs at spot #738 or above). -
It would take far too long. I had to go on the melon website in Korean, search each artist, go to their song list, sort by popularity, then check each song’s page to see it’s ranking. To do this would require me searching any artist that might have a song in the top 1000.
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what i meant is that the positions are so random (for exempke knock knock re entered top 1000 then jumped to 600+ and the next day
it was out) that we shouldn't give it much importance. Merry and Happy is charting higher than CU, but nobody would say it's bigger. Same for stay with Cheer Up, TT, Rough and Decalomanie
The positions are based on what songs are still being listened to, so it’s not random.
For the period I had been tracking, I’ve never once seen Knock Knock re-enter. Most songs are stable within the top 1000, and only have minor daily changes. Merry and Happy only charted higher during the Christmas season. I’d prefer you not lie, but maybe you’re just mistaken.
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I agree, I love Ugly.
It is one of their better performing songs though. It’s their third best performing song on melon’s daily chart after I Don’t Care and Go Away.
Outside of the top 1000 don’t have their ranks publicized but you can sort an artist’s songs by popularity which shows how close to the top 1000 it might be by proximity.
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D4 is charting at #199 if im not wrong
It changes every day. This was what the chart looked like for Sunday (data released on Monday afternoon Korean time). Each day most songs change by a few positions.
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There is no real evidence of this. Rather the opposite. Boy group songs besides BTS are nowhere to be found, despite many of those groups selling a lot more albums and having a much bigger fandom than groups like say, G-Idle or Oh My Girl.
Example: Exo has ONE song in the top 1000, at #905 (Love Shot).
Wanna One, probably the group best known for fandom streaming in Korean charts, has ZERO songs in the top 1000 currently.
It seems like you're just trying to create that argument since it's yet another area Twice isn't winning. Otherwise, I'd be glad to hear your attempt at reasoning "fandom streaming" is responsible for the top 1000 of the daily chart. -
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I never really looked at the Melon Daily Chart Top 1000 in any depth until the past few weeks, and I was quite surprised about what songs are still charting (77 girl group songs, or only 7.7 percent). I was also surprised by what songs aren't charting, where certain songs are currently placed, how certain songs rank relative to other songs from the same time period, and a variety of other things. What is the general public of Korea listening to as far as old songs?
Here are the girl groups ranked by number of songs charting in the Melon daily chart top 1000 (dated February 14th):
Blackpink: 17
Twice: 11
G-Idle: 9
Izone: 7
Mamamoo: 6Oh My Girl: 6
G-Friend: 4
Itzy :4SNSD: 2
T-ara: 1
Momoland: 1
A Pink: 1
Stay C: 1
Here are the songs and their placements separated by year:
I placed the current highest charting song, the rest are in spoilers.
(I may have missed a group or two, I searched every group I could think of that might possibly have a song in the top 1000. However, every group listed has all of their currently charting songs accounted for.)
2007: SNSD - Into the New World (#846)
2008: NO GIRL GROUP SONG CHARTING2009: 2NE1 - I Don't Care (#662)
2010-2014: NO GIRL GROUP SONG CHARTING
2015: G-Friend - Me Gustas Tu (#954)
2016: Blackpink - Playing With Fire (#208)2017: Blackpink - As if It's Your Last (#189)
2018: Blackpink - Forever Young (#177)
2019: Red Velvet - Psycho (#119)
2020: Blackpink - Lovesick Girls (#6)
2021: G-Idle - Hwaa (#23)-------
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2009 must have been a big year to still have 3 songs charting, since there were no songs at all from 2010-2014 still charting, and only one from 2015. Also interesting that 2016 was a lot bigger than 2017, and 2018 bigger than 2019. If that trend continues, 2021 will be a year with less big hits than 2020.
It seems, with the exception of Blackpink's huge songs, most huge songs/national hits (Cheer Up, Bboom Bboom, TT, Red Flavor, Gee for example) don't always have the long-term staying power as almost as popular songs from the same era. Maybe they get overplayed and people get sick of them? Idk. For example, I Don't Care is almost always considerably ahead of Gee on the Melon Daily chart top 1000. Both songs from 2009, both big during their release period, but Gee had a more explosive opening. However, It seems the GP listens to I Don't Care more frequently years later. This is the same type of situation with Blackpink's 2016 songs, even Stay, all having consistently better showings on this chart than either Cheer up or TT from the same era (more surprisingly, Russian Roulette also does better most days).
G-Idle does really strongly among the newer groups (3.5/4th gen groups)
Some of Oh My Girl's songs from 2018 and 2019 still charting, also to my surprise.
Besides Heartshaker, all of Twice's 2017 releases are notably missing. I would have guessed Likey to still be charting at least.I was most surprised that T-ara's one entry isn't Roly Poly or Love Dovey, but an even older song from 2009 I had never heard of.
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Twice didn’t decline. There’s a reason why ICSM is still charting on Global 200 chart and LSG not. They’re doing good for a group that never promoted outside of Asia. Also a lot of people discovered them because Feel Special went viral in the states.
HYLT is charting a lot better than either though.
Twice declined in many areas. Their sales per album in Japan crumbled, their charting in Korea too. Furthermore, their full album EWO, couldn't even sell as much as their mini album earlier in the year.
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Twice sold 2 million albums all together in 2020 if you count oricon sales. Broke their own records and charted on charts that they never charted on before without promotion. They get the last laugh because they’re still taking over the second biggest music market and will perform at the Olympics. They don’t need white people validation to be successful. Japan alone has made them double of the money an average kpop group makes.
Lmao
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Massive Growth - BlackPink
Declined - twice
true statement
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no one denies that lovesick girls isn't a hit song - it's clearly a big hit, as shown by its longevity in the top 10 so far. people are pointing out that hit songs have an easier time staying at the top right now compared to previous digital eras so it's difficult to compare performance with past songs. the blinks in this thread remind me a lot of armys back in 2017 defending spring day's soty status - in the end time is what revealed the truth: that spring day deserves its national hit status. but that wasn't clear in 2017 because the longevity hadn't been long enough yet. all people are saying here is that yes it's already clear lovesick girls is a big hit but to decide if it's a national hit will need more time since longevity is more than just a few months.
edit: the reason especially why it's hard
to compare lovesick girls with cheer up is because cheer up's national hit/soty status didn't come from multi-year longevity - it came from explosive popularity in the year it was released, as shown by how it topped gaon's annual digital chart, edging out "rough" despite being released months later. lovesick girls is more like spring day - neither had explosive popularity right at release but are relying on steady longevity (which takes longer to prove). people didn't starting accepting spring day as a national hit til we'll over a year after it was released.
The main issue is the user's hypocritical statements. They keep changing their reasoning to when it is beneficial to certain songs, but when that same reasoning applies to other songs the user doesn't like, suddenly the goalpost is moved and other factors are what matters for that song they don't like. It's bias plain and simple, regardless of the points you're making. -
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It isn’t really that difficult to understand:
It is way more difficult to rise to the top 10 and get noticed by the public. But once you get there it is easier to maintain good longevity. It’s been weeks (months even) and the top 20 songs are still the same. No major changes have happened
You keep bringing up Aiiyl’s longevity but I already told you the digital points collected by that song on gaon during 2019 and 2020 weren’t that impressive. More so considering Blackpink has a way smaller catalogue compared to Twice
I’m not interested on keep this argument with you. If you think aiiyl can keep up with Cheer Up then you do you. You can always make your own thread about it
It really isn't that difficult to understand, but I guess you're struggling . Plenty of songs rise to the top 10, dozens have, yet they don't last there very long. So "once you get there it is easier to maintain good longevity" isn't accurate. Songs are lasting longer, but just as many songs enter for a short while, so the argument that getting there is all that it takes is false. The songs just aren't a hit with the public.
The point isn't the amount of digital points, its in comparison to other idol group songs from that era. No other idolsong from that era or earlier, besides Spring day, can keep recurring within the chart. Twice's large discography has nothing to do with it.
I brought up AIIYL because of our responses about the song to other users, and you continue to be extremely dense and hypocritical in your weak arguments. -
Hope this helps
https://mobile.twitter.com/chartsblackpink/status/1360639824932311040
Its useless to argue with delulus fyi
Honestly the lack Intelligence jumps out, but it’s helpful to try to educate the delusional rather than let them believe incorrect things.
