BPs one album with 4 promoted songs out of 8 and pre-releases from June vs BTSs album with 2 promoted songs out of 7 released 2 months ago. And BE will pass BP in about a week... Doesnt seem similar to me.
And this is while BE has to compete with multitude of other BTS songs, which make the per song streams lower..
Claiming BTS and BP are on the same level is putting down BTS, its downgrading them to BPs level.
No, its not due to more content. If you use averages, they are inflated for groups who have less songs, since their fans have less songs to stream and a higher percentage of songs has received promo and playlisting. Comparing whole portfolio streams is most unbiased method. I have never in my life seen anyone comparing average streams.
Nothing separates "these two groups" from kpop other than blinks and YG mediaplay. If we look at any actual numbers, only BTS is separated from kpop, BP is firmly kin the kpop cluster.
Im not surprised that instead of arguing with actual numbers or analysis you start with the personal insults.
It is due to more content and its reflected in the numbers. BP with one album of only 8 songs does quite similar to a BTS album with a similar amount of songs. Less songs to stream has very little to do with it considering other popular groups with similar amounts of content do nowhere near the same. It's the same old tired line used that means nothing. Comparing whole portfolio of streams without giving proper context is completely irrelevant and is not something regularly done anywhere legitimate
No other kpop album gets anywhere near a billion streams on Spotify. You continuing to just ignore the actual facts and use unrelated/skewed numbers is the delusion I'm talking about.
Continue to stay salty that I stated that both groups are exasperated from kpop and you had to cry because another group was lumped near your favs, despite me not even putting them down in the first place.
Funny, howyou ingore the huge gap in daily streams. This is not career wide streams, its daily streams. Based on them it is mathematically proven BTS is separate from kpop, alone. BP clusters with kpop, or with Twice if we add more levels. Its is NOT in the same group with BTS no matter how many groups we create.
This thread was also about how BTS has 9 albums with 1 billion streams and BP only has one.
Stop trying to put BP on BTSs level, you are only getting them dragged.
The gap in daily streams is mostly due to having more content, if you look at averages, while BTS is still ahead, BP is a lot closer to BTS than the rest of Kpop. You can avoid logic by using misleading claims and try to push your false narrative all you want, but it doesn't change that.
Yes, BTS does having 9 albums with that many, considering they are an older group with many more albums. However, NO other group has that. That's what separates those two groups from the rest, which is my point.
I'm sorry you're so delusional. I expectnothing less considering how often you show that off though.
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Even now, the gap between BTS and BP is 13 million and gap between BP and 3rd is 3 million. Clearly BTS is is on another level compared to everyone else and BP is in another group.
And since Im bored, clustering results of kpop groups based on Spotify streams:
It is mathematically proven that BTS is in a group of its own and BP is with the rest of kpop.
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The graph is half about sales in 2020 and half about career-wide sales, clearly its extremely biased/skewed and not a great data-point to use for anyone with intelligence.
I'm not surprised at the extreme logic gymnastics being done to fail to prove a point lmao.
You can't compare an older group's career-wide streams with another to try argue that point. Of course a group with many more albums and years in the business has a huge advantage. On an album to album basis, or an average per album, the gap between BTS and BP compared to "Kpop" is much more clear.
This thread was about groups that had so many albums over 400m streams or 1b streams. The fact is 4/5ths of the albums listed in "kpop" are Blackpink, which in and of itself is showing that both BTS and BP are on another level than the rest of Kpop.
On a per album basis, the gap between everyone is a lot different than this skewed graph. BTS has way more albums and that graph seemingly shows career-wide Spotify streams. In the current era, the gap isn't that big. That wasn't even the point of my comment. The point is BP and BTS are the only groups getting such high numbers. Considering The "kpop" portion is 4/5 BP.
Edit: The graph is strange, just saw the sales part and not the Spotify part initially. That's generally what I expect by Army-made graphs though.
That's not actually true; this whole discussion depends on factors that honestly we're not privy too, since we're not aware of the exact details of how decisions will get made.
I think that's what I take away after reading more: Neither of us are right because we honestly don't know. 18% could come with say in many things or it could come with very little. It hinges on the agreements we're not reading.
We're all just spitballing.
It's a lot more correct of an assumption, and what regularly occurs, than what you had been saying previously. None of us will know the details 100 percent, but with the info we do have it seems unlikely BH will have little of any sway in YG plus outside of their own artists distribution (which is the case with any company using a distributor really). YG, Yang Hyunsuk and his family combined have more than 50 percent of YG Plus (Last I checked it was just slightly more than 50, all that they could sell off without losing majority control), which is all they need to make unilateral decisions (or at the very least, make the final decisions) for the company. That much is true and just the nature of how things work. The only thing we don't know is how much they are willing to listen to their large investors like BH.
Got it, but that doesn't leave out that BH will have some say in YGplus in the exchange.
If it's about the distribution of BH's own music, of course they'd have a majority of say. In anything else in YG plus, they'll have a voice but no actual power in anything. The only time 18 percent is worth anything is when no person or group owns more than 50 percent of the company.
Yes, BH will, it's a joint partnership where BH owns part of YGplus. 18% is a large stake. They'll have lots of say. Those shares are from those owned by YGE and the brothers.
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18 percent buys you a "say" on the board but no actual power as long as the majority of the company is still owned by one person or group. It's extremely common for investors to give their opinion and companies do whatever they want. As long as investors are profiting from their investment they aren't going to walk away anyway. It's still YG doing what YG wants, whether that's good or bad.
its literally just melon likes, i know lalaliala was a good song but it wont suddenly became a hit a year after release lets be honest. the song didnt even break melon top 50 and charted for 5 weeks so idk why the likes are high but it doesnt make it a bigger hit then m&m
plus we all know onces deserted melon since 2018
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"we all know onces deserted melon since 2018"
That sounds like a convenient excuse and revisionist history for Twice flopping in Korea and melon in particular...
Although melon likes are relatively useless overall, which I would agree with.
Twice's own legacy can't be entirely taken away ,but it can and has been overtaken by other groups . Their legacy is being damaged by continuing to underperform in their later years. People tend to overlook earlier success if things fizzle out at the end. I hope their next release can do better than FS, M&M, and ICSM. The Korean public really wasn't here for it.
The teaser was in full English, so it's safe to say at least the title track will be English heavy. I'd put money on the chorus being all English and the verses being Korean. That system works well for getting both the Korean and International audiences interested.
D4 spent more time in the upper half of the charts during its run. Cheer Up fell down quite fast to the bottom portion of the charts after it fell out of the top 10/20. Despite D4 lasting about 15 weeks less on the top 100 of charts than Cheer Up, D4 spent almost 10 weeks more in the upper half (top 50) of the same charts. For that reason it was also able to reach milestones a lot faster.
Those things gave it just enough push. Almost all of the other metrics D4 and Cheer Up are identical or near identical (likes weeks at #1, Gaon SOTY etc.)
Thank you for continuing this Massive, but I still haven't really decided if I'm going to be actively joining the new forum since I rather dislike the new design and site. I logged in only when I saw this.
Yeah. I remember I blocked them after they refused to see sense and ended up throwing around some bizarre insults.
Thats why I didnt even see this thread on AKP, I might have argued about this more if I knew it was still ongoing.
The chart was heavily modified form the time you had a fit to appease the BTS stans that wanted longevity to be weighted more heavily than impact. There are a lot more points related to longevity at this point.
It's not my fault you're clouded with bias that you don't see sense. Don't project that on to me.
